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  • johnnyblaze26
    Rookie
    • Sep 2010
    • 9

    #31
    Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

    I have a 50" plasma and don't notice this at all, but I know it does exist with LCD. My advise would be to go to avsforums, they have a sub forum only for gaming, and they have some of the best tv calibrators you can imagine that can help you out. The newer tv's have so many sub settings that could be making this problem worse for you, I'd start a thread over there and ask for help. I know I spent a lot of time reading over there and tweaking my tv when I got it last month, and the difference in my gaming experience has been night and day with just turning off things like motion smoother. It may not eliminate the problem, but it will make it significantly better.

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    • mva5580
      Pro
      • Nov 2004
      • 753

      #32
      Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

      Oh yeah I know the AVSforum well, those guys are crazy. Crazy in a good way when it comes to tech, but they most definitely know their stuff.

      Anyway I've managed to dig up some adaptors and cables from my box of goodies that I have stashed away, and tonight I'm going to see if I can hook up the TV to the VGA input of my TV and see if it makes a difference. I'm not even sure the PS3 will allow an HDMI to VGA adaptor cable to work, but I guess I'll find out.

      It's just very frustrating at this point. I play countless games on this TV and this game just does not work with it as-is. Hitting is just not even worth trying with the "regular" HDMI hook-up. And even if the VGA input DOES make a difference, I have to decide on how I want to get audio to my speakers. My AV receiver might create some input lag too, but I'm just saying that overall this game makes it noticeable where others don't.

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      • rkligman
        Rookie
        • Jun 2010
        • 57

        #33
        Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

        Originally posted by bukktown
        How would lag calibration work without looking ridiculous?
        You would never notice a thing. The adjustment is made in the software not the visuals. Let's see if I can draw you a picture that makes sense.

        You determine your TV has lag. As others have said, we all play Rock Band and we know the TV has some lag. Mine runs about 35ms in RB. While that is an intensely short period of time, it's the difference between hitting a note and missing it. The difference between swinging on time and swinging late.

        For the sake of argument though, let's say it's 1/2 a second. Something you would certainly notice. When you calibrate for the 1/2 second lag, the software uses it as a timer. The software now knows that the visuals are being shown 1/2 second after it happens. Once a pitch is thrown, the software knows when the swing should occur. Instead of giving an immediate result of the pitch, it adds 1/2 a second to that time to account for the lag. When the button press comes in it's relative to actual time plus the calibration adjustment. The calibration time is so short, even at an extreme of 1/2 a second, you would never notice any difference in the visuals. What you would notice however is that you are no longer swinging late, you are now spot on because the PS3 and the visuals are in sync.

        For most games this lag is supremely small and is insignificant. For timing games it's huge and if the software isn't accounting for it, it really shows. And maybe SCEA understands this and hence the sliders for Pitch Speed. While yes, it does visually slow down the pitch, what is really happening is it becomes a calibration slider to give you those few extra milliseconds of response time that the TV delay took away.
        Rick Insane Diego...

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        • uf2005
          Rookie
          • Apr 2009
          • 65

          #34
          Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

          Alright guys, I read through every page and realized a lot of you, while great with most advice, don't know much about TVs.

          First off, the size of the TV has no DIRECT correlation with the lag. Just so happens that bigger TVs have more features, which cause a lot of the lag issues. Plasma will not have issues. Newer LCD TVs that are more full featured will and LEDs will also (because they're more high end).

          These higher end TVs have great refresh rates, which are great for games. Problems ocurs with motion effects mainly. It's what makes movies and sports look so smooth, but the calibration involved will mess up timing in games.

          A calibration tool is tougher for MLB than Rock Band because timing is sporadically different in MLB, where one song of Rock Band will be the same pace.

          To the resolution of the problem -- everyone has really taken care of that. Game Mode for most TVs should work. Worked on my 52" Samsung LCD and 55" Sony Bravia 3D TV. There is also a PC setting -- much like the setting of game mode -- and it is NOT a PC connection (e.g. VGA, DVI, etc.) If this doesn't work, create a custom setting where you turn all extra features off like one poster suggested.

          If this fails, check the AV forums. Just Google your TVs model number included with the word lag -- should get you in the right place. While the posters on this site are enthusiastic and knowledgeable about baseball, I can see now they aren't too tech savvy when it comes to AV stuff. AV forums are better for this.

          Apologies for being long-winded, but I had to resolve some of the false statements. Bigger LCD TVs don't all have this problem -- just happens that bigger LCD TVs typically have the features causing the problems. So while there is correlation there, it is not causation

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          • Heroesandvillains
            MVP
            • May 2009
            • 5974

            #35
            Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

            Originally posted by bonannogiovanni
            I had a huge lag problem at first when I bought my Samsung HD TV, and this is how I solved it:

            1) locate the HDMI port which reads HDMI/DVI, connect the PS3 video cable there

            2) Set the input source of that port to PC

            Lag gone....

            Hope your Sony tv lets you do that....
            How do you do the second part?

            I have my HDMI cable connected from my PS3 to the HDMI port on my TV. I believe I used input 2 (my Vizio has two HDMI inputs).

            I then renamed input 2 to "PC." I did this manually by erasing the words "HDMI 2" (or something to that effect) and typing in "PC" with my remote control on the TV screen.

            I know you don't know my exact name and model. But in theory, how does one accomplish your second step?

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            • pokerlife
              Pro
              • Jan 2008
              • 691

              #36
              Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

              Originally posted by bonannogiovanni
              I had a huge lag problem at first when I bought my Samsung HD TV, and this is how I solved it:

              1) locate the HDMI port which reads HDMI/DVI, connect the PS3 video cable there

              2) Set the input source of that port to PC

              Lag gone....

              Hope your Sony tv lets you do that....

              I have a Samsung with that input! How do i set the input source to PC though?

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              • Redacted01
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2007
                • 10316

                #37
                Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                Yea, I have a 42" Plasma and played on my dad's 50" a year or so ago with MLB 10 and I've never seen any real issues. I may try setting the PS3 to 720p, but I don't notice any major differences with it set on 1080p.

                I put it any hitting difficulties on me right now because the hitting analysis shows I'm just not swinging where I should, so not anything lag would be causing; I'm just aiming poorly.

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                • LastActionHero
                  MVP
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 2453

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Jonsco28
                  Thanks for the info in this thread, guys. I agree, a lag calibration would be awesome. I have a 72" Mitsubishi and I was about to lose my mind on this.
                  72" sweet jesus!
                  "When it's all set and done, reality is the best innovation."

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                  • gator3guy
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 2233

                    #39
                    Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                    I forced mine to 1080p and it seemed to work. My timing was much better, but the graphics were messed up. Objects had jagged edges and such. I'm assuming that's the downfall of forcing it to 1080p? If so, I'm caught in a pickle because I definitely notice a difference. Is there anyone to avoid this?

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                    • jbray721
                      Rookie
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 2

                      #40
                      Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                      Read through this thread today at work and tried changing the HDMI/DVI input on my 55" Samsung LED to "PC" as soon as I got home. I can confirm for ME that this did the trick. Amazing. I went from having the same late swing issues the previous 2 days, to swinging at fastballs from Sabathia early, lol.

                      Very excited! I haven't tried online yet, will be doing that in a bit. Thanks guys for this thread! Oh, a small set back is the color is not as nice.

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                      • Heroesandvillains
                        MVP
                        • May 2009
                        • 5974

                        #41
                        Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                        Originally posted by jbray721
                        Read through this thread today at work and tried changing the HDMI/DVI input on my 55" Samsung LED to "PC" as soon as I got home. I can confirm for ME that this did the trick. Amazing. I went from having the same late swing issues the previous 2 days, to swinging at fastballs from Sabathia early, lol.

                        Very excited! I haven't tried online yet, will be doing that in a bit. Thanks guys for this thread! Oh, a small set back is the color is not as nice.
                        Can someone please explain what changing the input to PC means?

                        Sorry for the unbearably stupid question on my part. Would setting up my TV to recognize my device as a PC involve manually changing this within the television's picture settings (generally speaking, on most HD's)?

                        I manually renamed my Vizio's HDMI input as PC last year. But, incase that didn't do the trick, I'd like to know I've exhausted all options.

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                        • mva5580
                          Pro
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 753

                          #42
                          Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                          Originally posted by heroesandvillians
                          Can someone please explain what changing the input to PC means?

                          Sorry for the unbearably stupid question on my part. Would setting up my TV to recognize my device as a PC involve manually changing this within the television's picture settings (generally speaking, on most HD's)?

                          I manually renamed my Vizio's HDMI input as PC last year. But, incase that didn't do the trick, I'd like to know I've exhausted all options.
                          There are people who keep bringing up that solution and while it does seem to help them in their situation, I don't think that's going to be a necessarily common feature on a lot of HDTV's. Perhaps one of the HDMI inputs on TV's that don't have this "PC Mode" that people refer to works in the same way, but all of this stuff is going to be different for certain TV's.

                          My Sony does not have any kind of "PC Mode" beyond using the VGA connection that's on the TV. Maybe that would work, maybe not, but as far as some sort of stated PC Mode via an HDMI input.....that just doesn't exist on my TV. Maybe one of the "Scene" modes doubles as this, but it's certainly not labeled PC and I would think the Game mode is going to get as close to it as possible.

                          I guess I'm just going to have to turn the pitch speed down, because there's no solution to this beyond buying a different TV. And that's not going to happen.

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                          • pokerlife
                            Pro
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 691

                            #43
                            Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                            Can someone please explain what changing the input to PC means?

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                            • myghty
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 2395

                              #44
                              Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                              For those that have a Vizio, it is a known issue that 'Game Mode' resets itself when you change inputs. I have a 3D 55" Vizio TV and everytime I go to play PS3 I have to go into the menu, & even though it says 'Game Mode: On' you have to turn it off & then back on.

                              It drove me bonkers when I first bought the TV but then, with a little research I was able to find the above solution. Hope it helps some people & hey, it might work on other TVs too.
                              "In a year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened." - Vin Scully

                              PS5/PSN: myghty

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                              • thevaliantx
                                Banned
                                • Jul 2011
                                • 369

                                #45
                                Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                                Originally posted by rdub78
                                This isnt a widespread issue like you seem to be insinuating. In fact, it's pretty much a nonissue so take that for what it's worth.
                                It clearly is an issue. I can also clearly tell you that there is a difference in how fast data travels through different types of cabling, and that not all monitors / screens are the same in how they process that data. Obviously this issue doesn't apply to you, so why comment?

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