50 game sample size - Hitting the pitcher

[nova91]

Re: 50 game sample size - Hitting the pitcher

Hitting pitchers wouldn't be a big problem to me if at least once I saw an injury, I've driven 97 mph fastballs back at pitcher and nothing, not a bruise, scratch anything, they just come back and continue throwing heat. I've been able to beat out a few throws afterward but not many.

[nonnel]

Re: 50 game sample size - Hitting the pitcher

You are adding so many words to my statement it's not even funny. I never said I was only talking about my team. I said it happens a once every few games, and as you may be aware, most baseball games involve 2 teams, not one.

Secondly, nowhere did I say anything about line drives. Not every batted ball that hits the pitcher is a line drive, and nowhere did I specify that I was limiting my observations to those types of hits. I see ground balls hit the pitcher also, and that's included in my once every few games statement.

And finally, not every batted ball hit towards the pitcher in real life gets 10 minutes on ESPN. Often the only ones that are reported are ones that are extremely hard line drives, or ones that result in the pitcher leaving the game. You'd be surprised how often it actually happens. You can Google the event (pitcher & comebacker or pitcher & line drive will work) and see for yourself, and that's only returning events that have entire articles dedicated to them - not all of them do. That's also excluding all the balls hit towards the pitcher that the pitcher catches,

I didn't add any words. You said you see it every few days while watching your real life team (including both teams). I then replied that you see it 50+ times a year while just watching your team. 162/3(every few days) equals 50+. So while watching your teams games, you see a pitcher, on either team, get hit with a ball 50 times a year. And I again reply with "huh?".

I apologize if the term "line drive" seemed to skew what you were saying. I meant it to include groundballs. So... ok?

And I realize that not every one is highlighted on ESPN. But I've watched baseball my entire life and haven't seen anywhere NEAR the number you're claiming. It's ok to just admit you way overestimated your initial comment on seeing it "every few days" and just leave it at that. You don't see it every few days because it doesn't happen every few days. This is a fact that isn't up for debate.

And besides all of that, this is all off topic. The point is that it's happening an incredible amount in the game. That's all.

[fatleg3]

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The real question is... In those 50 games... How many high chop foul balls behind home plate did you see?

Actually I think the pitcher deflections are better this year. Last year every pitcher turned into Martin Brodeur on hits up the middle. This year they are merely Nikolai Khabibulin.

Hey the Bulin Wall brought my team a Stanley Cup.

But to add to this thread, I have not seen the pitcher get hit to many times for it to be an issue to me. Like someone has said it may be related to the difficulty level, and the timing on the swings.

[Benz87]

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I don't see it quite as often as the OP, possibly more like once every three games, which is still much more than it should be.

What irritates me more is that this has been going on for years in this series, almost every time it happens the announcer points attention to it and says "we'll see if he's OK or has to come out of the game" or something similar to that. I have never seen the pitcher hurt or take the slightest affect of being hit by the ball, I would at the least like to see a shin bruise or something of that nature every now and then forcing the pitcher to depart prematurely or forcing you to switch out the pitcher at next inning due to an ankle tightening up.

[JoeRyan33]

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I've seen it a fair bit since I adjusted my sliders. Sample size for me is very small, but roughly 8 hits off the pitcher in about as many exhibition games.

[therealslimshady]

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I can't be the only one experiencing this so often. Every game, I seemed to be hitting the ball hard at the pitcher and having it deflect off him... so I decided to keep track over 50 games, how often if happened.


50 games. 63 deflections.

So that means that over 1 time per game, I'm rocketing the ball back and hitting the pitcher. How often do we see that a year while watching our real life teams? Once? Maybe twice?

And not only that, but in those 63 deflections, not one pitcher was injured or effected. Is there some sort of slider I can use to adjust this happening?

This seems about on par with any beer league slow pitch softball game. Venture out on a league night and you will see pitchers getting plunked quite often! MIDDLES OPEN!

[pistolpete]

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I played my first game in a week and I managed to strike Claudio Vargas in the foot with a liner to only have it ricochet to the SS who made the catch. Score the attached a 1-6 line out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvb29sKd8Eg&feature=youtu.be

I had men on 1st and 3rd with either no outs or 1 out.

So stupid.

[bfindeisen]

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Regardless of what the actual rate is for games to pitchers hit, it does happen way too often. Obviously it has been discussed at length, but I just wanted to add that I too have seen it far more often than I would like to.

[mmorg]

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Part of the problem with this is that it doesn't seem like there are any animation for pitchers to try and make the play on these liners/grounders or at least "get out of the way" animations. I think this would help alleviate the problem.

[Bobhead]

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I've been thinking about this for awhile now, and I also had a game recently where it happened to my pitcher 3 times.

Then I watched a real life game and it hit me, no pun intended. I still don't think there's a problem with how many balls are hit towards the pitcher. I think the problem is with what happens when a ball IS hit towards the pitcher.
I think this issue can be blamed on the following things:

1. Real-life pitchers duck or avoid contact. The Show's fielders, notably the pitcher, don't seemed to be programmed to avoid this sort of collision in any way. They either catch it or stand there trying to. This leads to a lot of upper-body contact on line drives that would otherwise be avoided.

2. Not enough inertia is lost on collision. Light ricochets aside, 80% of the time, the ball should simply fall in its place and roll off the mound. It should certainly not be reflecting off the pitcher like a ping-pong ball and flying off like the last space shuttle before NASA was terminated.

[nomo17k]

Re: 50 game sample size - Hitting the pitcher

I've been thinking about this for awhile now, and I also had a game recently where it happened to my pitcher 3 times.

Then I watched a real life game and it hit me, no pun intended. I still don't think there's a problem with how many balls are hit towards the pitcher. I think the problem is with what happens when a ball IS hit towards the pitcher.
I think this issue can be blamed on the following things:

1. Real-life pitchers duck or avoid contact. The Show's fielders, notably the pitcher, don't seemed to be programmed to avoid this sort of collision in any way. They either catch it or stand there trying to. This leads to a lot of upper-body contact on line drives that would otherwise be avoided.

2. Not enough inertia is lost on collision. Light ricochets aside, 80% of the time, the ball should simply fall in its place and roll off the mound. It should certainly not be reflecting off the pitcher like a ping-pong ball and flying off like the last space shuttle before NASA was terminated.

I've seen one or two animations for (1)... the one that the pitcher kinda tries to protect his head (?), but it doesn't get triggered as often as it should.

(2) may be true. In general, the ball doesn't lose energy as much as it should on a hard hit ball hitting perpendicularly on a much softer surface (body, grass, etc.).

I'd also add that the reactions for pitchers (and catchers, though it has improved over 11) are too quick.

[mmorg]

Re: 50 game sample size - Hitting the pitcher

I've been thinking about this for awhile now, and I also had a game recently where it happened to my pitcher 3 times.

Then I watched a real life game and it hit me, no pun intended. I still don't think there's a problem with how many balls are hit towards the pitcher. I think the problem is with what happens when a ball IS hit towards the pitcher.
I think this issue can be blamed on the following things:

1. Real-life pitchers duck or avoid contact. The Show's fielders, notably the pitcher, don't seemed to be programmed to avoid this sort of collision in any way. They either catch it or stand there trying to. This leads to a lot of upper-body contact on line drives that would otherwise be avoided.

2. Not enough inertia is lost on collision. Light ricochets aside, 80% of the time, the ball should simply fall in its place and roll off the mound. It should certainly not be reflecting off the pitcher like a ping-pong ball and flying off like the last space shuttle before NASA was terminated.

I'm about 10 hours ahead of you there.

[omegaminus]

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Dangit, I just lost game two of the World Series in my RTTS campaign because this happened in two straight at-bats. The first was a line drive off Roy Halladay that turned what would have been a tie-breaking bases-loaded single into a fielder's choice that scored nothing. Then a second instance robbed me of a one-on one-out base hit. We ended up losing by three without having scored any runs since before those two at-bats.

[JJohnsJR244]

I'm getting pretty sick of this. I have guys get screwed out of a solid hard hit up the middle because it will drill the pitcher and perfectly come back to the catcher for AB easy out. This happens about twice a game to me. The pitcher will get to it sometimes to. This should not happen as much as it does. Just lost a game because of this about 5 mins ago . Ughghh!!!

[moemoe24]

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I can't be the only one experiencing this so often. Every game, I seemed to be hitting the ball hard at the pitcher and having it deflect off him... so I decided to keep track over 50 games, how often if happened.


50 games. 63 deflections.

So that means that over 1 time per game, I'm rocketing the ball back and hitting the pitcher. How often do we see that a year while watching our real life teams? Once? Maybe twice?

And not only that, but in those 63 deflections, not one pitcher was injured or effected. Is there some sort of slider I can use to adjust this happening?

This is the garbage that has no business making it past the Q&A board at scea. If we see this happening way too much how the heck can scea ignore it? No was we should see this Play happened so many times.