Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

[Bahnzo]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

I'm not saying your wrong, but here's my online:

https://www.theshownation.com/players/6654

32HR's in 29 games, and I rarely power swing either. These games are entirely league games, so no guess pitch, AllStar batting, etc.

I agree, it's frustrating to see you've squared up a ball and it winds up a two bouncer to the SS...and some games it seems that's all you do. But like other's have said, try to ignore it and enjoy the game instead.

[bcruise]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

It's a bit of a different animal since it's on Veteran (at the moment), but I've played 20 games in Diamond Dynasty and have hit 10 homeruns. Haven't played enough regular online games for that to mean anything, although I am in a league so I'll be getting a few under my belt at least.

As has been said, I think the wind is probably having an adverse effect on the number of HR's in online play.

[Sigma4Life]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

I'm not saying your wrong, but here's my online:

https://www.theshownation.com/players/6654

32HR's in 29 games, and I rarely power swing either. These games are entirely league games, so no guess pitch, AllStar batting, etc.

I agree, it's frustrating to see you've squared up a ball and it winds up a two bouncer to the SS...and some games it seems that's all you do. But like other's have said, try to ignore it and enjoy the game instead.

That's impressive. I'm glad to see there are some people having success online.

[bkrich83]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

I was wrong I have 3 homers in 3 games, not 4 in 3 games.

I am just not seeing where hitting is "broken"

[cardinalbird5]

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I have 157 HR's in 193 games and this is all done in DD. 99 pct of my games were online.

I want to break it down even more since alot of people quit early or dc. In 1,381 innings I have 157 HR's. So that is .11 HRs/Inning and 1.02 HR's/9.

https://www.theshownation.com/diamond_dynasty?type=lifetime#!rating

You can also look at anyone else's stats if you go to that link.

However I hit very well and play at any stadium I want to including Coors and some small minor league ones with very good power hitters. So take those numbers with a grain of salt.

I also think some people are being very stubborn in here. OP is strictly talking online here and a lot of people are ignoring that. I also guarantee if you actually got some more statistics on players that having solid timing with their bat centered on the ball in their "wheelhouse" that their averages are way higher than .300. It is called standard deviation. People aren't going to go 3/10 every time, regardless of how they're pitched. They might bat .189 with 2 strikes at breaking balls low and away and they might hit .389 on a 2-0 count with a centered fastball. It eventually averages out, but that is baseball.

I am not agreeing/disagreeing with anyone in here, but some people need to actual read some of the first few pages. I don't think OP is arguing that balls hit perfectly in wheelhouses should never result in out, but you should also hit higher than .300 or else the only way you'd get hits would be on wheelhouse pitches with perfect timing.

[CujoMatty]

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Here's your solution for the "bad hitting" of the game.

Eject the disc, pack it up, take it to Gamestop, trade it in for 2K12, play that and go to those forums so we don't have to listen to you blame the game because you can't hit .750 with 200 HR's a season.

We're not the ones that incorrectly assume that Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing automatically = hitting on the sweet spot.

Simple physics, you hit the ball even just a smidge too high, it goes down.

In that case, you can honestly say that you havent seen grounders on swings where the ball is clearly at the top of the PCI and fly balls where the ball is on the lower half of the PCI. Ive seen it enough times, and that my friend you are right is simple physics. I personally don't care I mean it's a video game but I can at least acknowledge someone else's frustrations.

I agree whole heartedly about the wheelhouse blah blah not always resulting in a good hit. But either the PCI or the physics aren't always working properly. Just my 2 cents

[Manny_Shevitz]

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I read your "other" thread and can only tell that it's a matter of preference... Basically it'll come down to "sim" vs. "arcade." So if that's what you are talking about, this won't be a fruitful discussion. PYS and the Show cater to different audiences, and it's good we have choices.

I think that's why this kind of thread never goes anywhere. We are taking sides based on our preferences.

It's basically me who like funk & soul music better than anything else, but tying to persuade those who prefer rock to think that my preference is better than theirs. Talking about meaningless effort...

I'm not going to say much about this, because I know we're not supposed to talk about games other than what is the subject of the thread, but I will say this:

You are right that it's a matter of preference, and you are right that the two games cater to two different audiences, but I do not agree that one is sim while the other is arcade, as anyone who regularly plays that other game will attest. Player attributes are very important in that game, both in batting and on the field. But that's not something I'm going to be able to convince you of just by explaining it.

[Bobhead]

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I don't think he meant to say that one game was an arcade game and the other was a sim one. I think it was more a metaphor to illustrate how far apart the two games and their fanbases are, in that trying to convince either side to appreciate the other is like trying to convince an arcade player in an arcade to go play a sim game.

[nomo17k]

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I'm not going to say much about this, because I know we're not supposed to talk about games other than what is the subject of the thread, but I will say this:

You are right that it's a matter of preference, and you are right that the two games cater to two different audiences, but I do not agree that one is sim while the other is arcade, as anyone who regularly plays that other game will attest. Player attributes are very important in that game, both in batting and on the field. But that's not something I'm going to be able to convince you of just by explaining it.

Sorry I should've remembered the words arcade and sim aren't very well defined. Personally, I just use it to mean the degree of user input affecting the gameplay. For example:

A sim baseball game needs to make the best hitter hit in .300 - .400 range to "simulate" the real life baseball, implying if the gamer is able to produce results better than this then the game would implement some sort of cap, so that his maximum ability would translate to that range. That means the gamer would fail 60 - 70% of the time... some may find this frustrating (which is typical for PYS fans).

An arcade baseball game, a gamer can override that sort of cap, which end up giving you that feel that you are more in control of the game, but the game results may not look like what ever happens in real life.

And, no, I don't use the term "sim" to mean it's inherently superior. A game needs to be fun, so whichever gives you better times is superior for you, hence preference.

That's just my way of using those terms though. Sorry for the confusion.



At least while I've been here, this sort of discussions mostly come down to this... how much user input should override the "simness." It will never lead to anything. If the Show weights user input more, then it would tend toward other games. If the other games try to be more "sim," then it will end up looking like the Show. That's a bad thing since then we have no choices between these two different approaches. Just choose the one you like!!

[Ryan97]

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If I sound like a cultist or not I still don't understand this argument. If you want the results to be more favorable then adjust your contact slider so you are rewarded more often in those situations and the result will make more sense to you and possibly return the fun factor you are missing.

But if you are going to say it wont produce realistic results that way than your argument has been a contradiction since page one. The game has to be allowed to balance user input vs statistical probabilities you can either live with that or you cant.

And before you re hash the argument in the form of you dont want to be rewarded if its not statistically believable. Such as your outside low pitch being pulled for a homerun when your late. Well the engine also needs to balance things out for the pitches you have been thrown in other situations that user error caused the fail.

So in closing, the more realistically you approach the at bat and the swings you take. The less wonky compensations the engine needs to make to have Pujols still produce like Pujols. This may help describe the variance in results people are experiencing.

[Pared]

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A... baseball game...(where) a gamer can override that sort of cap, which end up giving you that feel that you are more in control of the game, but the game results may not look like what ever happens in real life.

Let's remove the arcade moniker for a second.

THIS is the exact problem that many people can't get past. This has been discussed for a few years here and I'm not sure why this is a shock.

This baseball game, if it were to give you complete control depending on your controller input, would become ridiculously offensive and the stats would be above the norm as a user becomes better. It's a personal preference that not everyone shares.

I have asked the developers to make Rookie mode more dependent on user input and removing the "cap" (so to speak) on a user's skill becoming a larger determining factor. If that is what you are looking for... where your user input can supersede the checks and balances in place... then you may want to look elsewhere.

[Manny_Shevitz]

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If I sound like a cultist or not I still don't understand this argument. If you want the results to be more favorable then adjust your contact slider so you are rewarded more often in those situations and the result will make more sense to you and possibly return the fun factor you are missing.

But if you are going to say it wont produce realistic results that way than your argument has been a contradiction since page one. The game has to be allowed to balance user input vs statistical probabilities you can either live with that or you cant.

And before you re hash the argument in the form of you dont want to be rewarded if its not statistically believable. Such as your outside low pitch being pulled for a homerun when your late. Well the engine also needs to balance things out for the pitches you have been thrown in other situations that user error caused the fail.

So in closing, the more realistically you approach the at bat and the swings you take. The less wonky compensations the engine needs to make to have Pujols still produce like Pujols. This may help describe the variance in results people are experiencing.

Dude, I was joking about the cultish thing.

Here's the bottom line for me, and the last thing I'm going to say on this thread because, as several people have pointed out, it's pointless to keep arguing about it, since it does all boil down to personal preference.

I enjoy The Show for what it is. It's not about sliders or turning off the PCI or getting better at the game. It's not that I'm not getting enough hits or I'm striking out too much, and so I'm blaming the game for it. Believe me, I strike out plenty in the other baseball game I play, and hits are hard to come by. But I still have fun when I'm playing it.

There are many great things I can say about The Show. I'm not going to bother, because they've pretty much all been said. And I think The Show does a great job of simulating baseball. But I personally don't have as much fun, or feel as engaged playing it as I do with other baseball games. And I know that the main reason for that is due to the batting system, and how disconnected I feel from it. I still play The Show, and at times I really have a good time with it. I also often get frustrated. But I'm not trying to convince people who don't dislike the hitting or who don't get frustrated with the game that they are wrong. If it works for you, and it's fun for you, then that's great. Believe me, for all the things that The Show has going for it, I wish I didn't have a problem with it.

So here's where I quietly back out of this thread, which I jumped on so that I could argue one small point when another poster who said "there's no science to hitting a ball with a round bat" or something like that, and then it turned into something much bigger.

[dce21b]

What annoys me more then anything is the fact that the PCI is completelely inaccurate.

When are they gonna make the PCI more accurate? Im so sick of playing people who just leave their PCI in the middle and swing. You might as well just allow timing hitting online its the same thing.

I have literally just played someone on hof difficulty. And all I threw where balls under his PCI in the strikezone. They all go for pretty much foul balls or grounders. And for the most part the ball is not even touching their PCI, yet they are making contact.

It's just really annoying when I practice so hard to get good at identifying pitches and completely crush a ball for a grounder to third instead of line drives or homers. But when facing someone who's just sitting there contact swinging and pushing the button and sky rockets a ball for a home run on balls not even in their PCI is disheartening.

Not to mention that it becomes quite annoying to strike someone out when they are making contact because of timing not because of their PCI placement.




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[Ryan97]

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And I know that the main reason for that is due to the batting system, and how disconnected I feel from it.

This I understand, I felt this way every year until analog batting. I know you were joking about the cultist thing lol no worries. This thread definitely turned into a forum for everyone to post their perspective on how the engine interrupts results and not so much the above quote which better sums up what you were trying to say in the first place I believe.

[Pared]

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What annoys me more then anything is the fact that the PCI is completelely inaccurate.

It's not inaccurate - it's simply not a finite, determining factor of contact. Ratings come into play.

If this bothers you, then play on legend. Everything is even smaller.