Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

[Padgoi]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

I have heard the game plays better offline. I only play online and therefore the OP is focused on that game mode only.

The developers have stated more than a handful of times that there is an issue with online hitting right now. You are basing your opinion off of a mode that has been proven to be flawed. Play offline and then come back, you will see a world of difference.

Gotta love people like you, ignore all the actual points but quote my exaggeration.

You guys are still completely ignoring the point. When I swing up and in, and the ball is low and away, how or why am I able to foul it off? Some times my timing is perfect though with the ball in the middle of the pci, yet it says i "just missed" Does that not seem completely random to you? I just want more consistency. I look forward to this game every year, this year I am disappointed, as are plenty of others. I dont want to bat .400, if I did I wouldnt have spent all this money on a playstation that I only use so i can play the show. I woulda stuck with playing that crap game that is 2k and hit 28 homeruns a game online.

I dont feel rewarded for making good contact. Sorry if that offends you guys.

I dont care if a 2 year old hits the ball, if he swings under it, it goes in the air, not on the ground.

And maybe I take the pci too literal, why the hell is it so obnoxiously large then?

I'm just not seeing this. I play solely offline (why play online when the developers have admitted hitting is flawed online) and when I get perfect timing and wheelhouse, I almost ALWAYS hit it hard using ZONE hitting. It doesn't always result in a hit, but it's almost always hit solidly. And if I swing up and in and the ball is low and away, I miss 90% of the time. I am able to foul it off a SMALL percentage of the time if my PCI is that bad.

And another user mentioned earlier that the game interprets perfect and wheelhouse differently. In other words, the game may equate "perfect" to anywhere between 0.25 and 0.35 seconds of the ball crossing the plate, when in real life, those 2 times may yield very different results. But again, when the game specifies I have perfect timing and wheelhouse API, I'm almost always hitting the ball solidly somewhere. Ratings MUST have an effect if you want a realistic, simulation experience because, as someone alluded to earlier, Alberto Callaspo is not hitting .350 with 50 homers whereas Pujols can.

[cardinalbird5]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

I think a lot of people mistake the PCI for an actual hitting cursor like this is Ken Griffey Jr's slugest on the N64 or something. It is basically where your player is looking in the strike zone. It doesn't always mean if you are a tad under it you'll hit in the air or vice versa. Contact, Plate Vision, and Power all come into affect here and whether or not you influence flyball/ground ball. It is very possible to swing under a ball and ground out and vice versa if you think about basic physics. Take in account the pitch's break, the bat speed, the angle at what the bat is swung, etc.

And what is wrong with leaving it in the middle for hitters counts looking for mistakes? There is no point in chasing pitches...that will just make you look silly. I find myself hitting worse when I try to set at a particular corner, because I swing at borderline pitches and even chase some out of the zone. If my opponent can show me he can hit his corners then I have to make this adjustment, if he/she can't and they keep throwing mistakes then why would I move it?

Besides Pure Analog locks your PCI automatically, so it isn't like there is a better way to hit.

[Manny_Shevitz]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

This I understand, I felt this way every year until analog batting. I know you were joking about the cultist thing lol no worries. This thread definitely turned into a forum for everyone to post their perspective on how the engine interrupts results and not so much the above quote which better sums up what you were trying to say in the first place I believe.

I enjoyed analog batting (yeah, yeah, I know I said my last post was going to be my final post in this thread. so what?) for a while last year, but it still kind of came back to the same issues for me. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think that my best chance at enjoying hitting in this game is if I switch to timing only. It's an interface I'd never thought to use, because I prefer having as much control as possible. But considering the way batting works in The Show, it seems like Timing Only would be the purest way to hit in this game.

It's cool that Sony keeps trying to add more options for players with different playing styles, But all they're really doing is adding to the illusion of more control. And I don't mean that in a condemning way, I'm not judging it. I'm just saying that there are always going to be situations where the game takes over and produces the results that would be the most likely to happen in a given situation, instead of what the user inputs into the controller, regardless of which batting interface you are using. And I know that is by design.

[mmorg]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

Also, lets look at Home Run derby. Perfect example of meatballs being fouled off and sometimes missed by the best in the game.

[Pared]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

I think a lot of people mistake the PCI for an actual hitting cursor like this is Ken Griffey Jr's slugest on the N64 or something. It is basically where your player is looking in the strike zone.

Hence the reason it is called 'Zone hitting' and not 'Cursor hitting.'

[cardinalbird5]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

Hence the reason it is called 'Zone hitting' and not 'Cursor hitting.'

Right. My point exactly.

Do people not think hitters look at the center of the zone for pitches to drive when they come up? I don't understand people at times. They complain about any type of play in this game.

[Pared]

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I don't blame them completely. Like I mentioned earlier, we've discussed this for a few years now, with the same points I've made here made a few years ago. I'm sure you can search and find the very same discussion, ideally.

The problem is the game displays a finite circle as an area of contact in the user feedback and the casual user is not aware that this area is not the only area contact can be made. It can be confusing for those that see a cursor on the screen, can move a cursor on the screen and are given feedback via cursor on the screen.

I am more disappointed when I state this or see this stated and people just choose to ignore it. We have a forum here that can give you more insight into how the game works and some would rather argue than understand it.

[Manny_Shevitz]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

I don't blame them completely. Like I mentioned earlier, we've discussed this for a few years now, with the same points I've made here made a few years ago. I'm sure you can search and find the very same discussion, ideally.

The problem is the game displays a finite circle as an area of contact in the user feedback and the casual user is not aware that this area is not the only area contact can be made. It can be confusing for those that see a cursor on the screen, can move a cursor on the screen and are given feedback via cursor on the screen.

I am more disappointed when I state this or see this stated and people just choose to ignore it. We have a forum here that can give you more insight into how the game works and some would rather argue than understand it.

I know you are speaking generally and not singling anyone out, and while I'm sure there are some people who are confused or don't understand exactly what the PCI is and how it works, I think most do. And I want to make it clear that I am not in any way confused about how the batting works in The Show. I get that the PCI is just a representation of where the batter is looking. I get that the timing of your swing and where you aim the PCI are only one aspect of what influences the flight of the ball off the player's bat. I can't speak for anyone else, but I am not trying to argue with anyone about how the hitting mechanics of The Show work, or suggest in any way that it's broken, or doesn't work as advertised. I'm only saying that I think it's a less than ideal system. And that's just how I feel about it. I don't need a lesson or a tutorial. I don't need to have it explained to me more clearly. I get it.

And I realize you might not have been including me in your generalization, but your post came across as a little condescending, so I felt the need to exclude myself from the so-called ignorant people.

[Pared]

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I don't even know why you would think I'm referring to you, considering you haven't addressed any of my other comments in the thread. This is part of the reason people don't even offer help at times - my comment was not directed at anyone in particular, yet somehow I've insulted you, while being condescending in the process. C'mon.

Considering there is a common misconception in how the system works, and it often is mentioned as it was here in this thread, it's obvious the developers have a challenge ahead of them to help eliminate the misconception.

If you take my comments any other way, I'm not sure what to tell you. The fact remains if they do not understand how the system works, those comments should help them. They are not ignorant in general - I don't recall even mentioning that. I can't believe I have to explain the difference here.

[torpidbeaver]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

Shouldn't the people who're complaining about Wheelhouse + Perfect Etc. also be complaining about when the PCI is aiming at the left-upper half of the plate, while the ball's on the bottom-right half of the plate, but the batter still manages to catch a piece of the ball to keep the at-bat alive?

Don't know if you can have it both ways.

/seems like batting shouldn't always trump pitching, just as pitching shouldn't always trump batting

[Manny_Shevitz]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

I don't even know why you would think I'm referring to you, considering you haven't addressed any of my other comments in the thread. This is part of the reason people don't even offer help at times - my comment was not directed at anyone in particular, yet somehow I've insulted you, while being condescending in the process. C'mon.

Considering there is a common misconception in how the system works, and it often is mentioned as it was here in this thread, it's obvious the developers have a challenge ahead of them to help eliminate the misconception.

If you take my comments any other way, I'm not sure what to tell you. The fact remains if they do not understand how the system works, they are ignorant of how it works. They are not ignorant. I can't believe I have to explain the difference here.

Woah, woah, woah. Ok, maybe my post came across as more defensive than I meant for it to. I wasn't insulted.

[Manny_Shevitz]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

Shouldn't the people who're complaining about Wheelhouse + Perfect Etc. also be complaining about when the PCI is aiming at the left-upper half of the plate, while the ball's on the bottom-right half of the plate, but the batter still manages to catch a piece of the ball to keep the at-bat alive?

Don't know if you can have it both ways.

/seems like batting shouldn't always trump pitching, just as pitching shouldn't always trump batting

I actually do complain about this too. I even mentioned it in one of my earlier posts that it bothers me even when the results are in my favor. The effect is the same, which is that I feel like I'm not really having much influence either way on how successful I am in the game.

I'm sure some people complain just for the sake of complaining. And I'm sure some people are frustrated with not doing well in this game, and so they're just looking for something to blame for it. But don't assume that everyone who isn't satisfied with the hitting in this game only complains when the at-bats don't go their way.

Some of you seem to want to make this an argument between the people who want to play an accurate simulation of baseball and the people who want to hit homeruns all day long, and have a .400 team batting average no matter what team they're playing with. And it's just not that cut and dried. I think it's safe to assume that not very many casual baseball fans frequent this forum on a regular basis. I think we all want our baseball games to yield realistic results. We just have different ideas about what the best way is to achieve that, while still having a game that is fun and engaging to play.

[dce21b]

If this bothers you, then play on legend. Everything is even smaller.

It does bother me and I do play on full legend on and offline with a winning record... Thank you very much

But thank you very much for your input, I was unaware that this PCI was meant to be useless. I mean why is it even there if me hitting a ball where I thought was square means nothing because the combination of other factors will override my well hit ball and nerf it to a dying quail.

Even on legend I have seen balls hit above the PCI go for homeruns, while well hit balls on the upper half of the PCI go for grounders, where balls on the bottom half of the PCI go for well hit line drives.

I was under the impression that the PCI was like your bat. Hit the ball on the lower half will most likely result in a ground ball balls hit in the center would be well hit line drives possibly homeruns and on the top half they would by fly balls pop ups or homeruns.

But apparently from what you and other people are saying its not even close to that... I'm so confused my head hurts. It makes no sense to me that if I'm looking one place to hit the ball and I put the bat where I'm looking I don't get good contact yet if a ball is completely far and away from where I'm looking I can still make contact based off of my players stats?

Besides Pure Analog locks your PCI automatically, so it isn't like there is a better way to hit.

This is untrue and not accurate at all. The PCI will lock on in the zone that you are swinging. It's not as easy as you are thinking. You actually have to move the stick to the inside center or outside to get the PCI to move there acurately.

There's plently of times where I was aiming inside and completely missed a strike to the outside even close to the middle.

There was also times where I have swung on a ball outside with good timing stride but my PCI was above the ball and I completely swung through it. I guess this is due to my players stats.

Like I said I'm confused lol


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[Pared]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

I will attempt to address your comments later. I would drop the attitude, however. No one should help you if this is how you are going to respond to others on the forum that legitimately trying to offer some insight and guidance.

Edit - actually, your comments were already addressed at least twice already in this thread. You should go back and read it instead of spending so much effort towards your sarcastic responses.

[Padgoi]

Re: Wheelhouse + Perfect Timing + Perfect Stride = ...

I don't even know why you would think I'm referring to you, considering you haven't addressed any of my other comments in the thread. This is part of the reason people don't even offer help at times - my comment was not directed at anyone in particular, yet somehow I've insulted you, while being condescending in the process. C'mon.

Considering there is a common misconception in how the system works, and it often is mentioned as it was here in this thread, it's obvious the developers have a challenge ahead of them to help eliminate the misconception.

If you take my comments any other way, I'm not sure what to tell you. The fact remains if they do not understand how the system works, those comments should help them. They are not ignorant in general - I don't recall even mentioning that. I can't believe I have to explain the difference here.

Not the first time. Won't be the last.