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  • Padgoi
    Banned
    • Oct 2008
    • 1873

    #46
    I agree with the last post 100%. I think the catchup logic this year is absurd. Every time I get a lead larger than 3, the comeback is on via smaller strike zones, punch and Judy hitters becoming Pujols, convenient errors, etc. It is the worst I've seen in years.

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    • Knight165
      *ll St*r
      • Feb 2003
      • 24964

      #47
      Re: Something Has Definitely Changed with The Show This Year

      Nonsense.
      I challenge anyone to post a mid game save...tell us what's going to happen and see the results.

      You guys are ridiculous sometimes.

      M.K.
      Knight165
      All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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      • Avarice
        Rookie
        • Nov 2009
        • 68

        #48
        Re: Something Has Definitely Changed with The Show This Year

        lol....just had a three game series with my Phils against the Mets. The first game was a good 2-1 pitcher's duel, but games 2 & 3 were absurd. 10-7 Mets and 10-8 Mets. They combined for 31 hits and five home runs over those two games. In both the high-scoring games I had jumped out to an early lead of 3+ runs and they came roaring back.

        Only in The Show '12 will you ever say "I should've pitched around Duda."

        edit: AS zones + analog using TNK sliders
        Last edited by Avarice; 04-12-2012, 10:50 AM.

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        • Padgoi
          Banned
          • Oct 2008
          • 1873

          #49
          I respect your work on the rosters, but please don't come at me with that "ridiculous" crap. I've been coming here for years and I tell it like it is. I know some people here are diehard show followers and will defend the game logic to the end of the earth, but I've seen way too many instances just like the above poster explained where the cpu seems to get a jolt in the later innings when they're down or make a miraculous comeback when the user starts to pull away. And it transpires via things iike the umpire shrinking the strike zone for the user pitcher (but conveniently calling the exact same pitches strikes for the cpu pitcher), weak hitters like Alberto Callaspo hitting 410-foot bombs, conveniently timed errors, etc. I walk hitters, I change up locations and pitch types, and I substitute for favorable matchups, but when Mariano Rivera is sporting a 12.50 ERA with three blown saves in the first four games and C.C. Sabathia has given up 3 hits all game just to get shelled for 4 runs in the 9th, I'm calling it out. Let's call a spade a spade guys, catchup logic exists in this game and I'm fairly certain everyone here has witnessed in in one way or another. Of course, only the "rebels" have the gaul to post about it here.

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          • mmorg
            MVP
            • Jul 2004
            • 2305

            #50
            Re: Something Has Definitely Changed with The Show This Year

            Originally posted by Padgoi
            I respect your work on the rosters, but please don't come at me with that "ridiculous" crap. I've been coming here for years and I tell it like it is. I know some people here are diehard show followers and will defend the game logic to the end of the earth, but I've seen way too many instances just like the above poster explained where the cpu seems to get a jolt in the later innings when they're down or make a miraculous comeback when the user starts to pull away. And it transpires via things iike the umpire shrinking the strike zone for the user pitcher (but conveniently calling the exact same pitches strikes for the cpu pitcher), weak hitters like Alberto Callaspo hitting 410-foot bombs, conveniently timed errors, etc. I walk hitters, I change up locations and pitch types, and I substitute for favorable matchups, but when Mariano Rivera is sporting a 12.50 ERA with three blown saves in the first four games and C.C. Sabathia has given up 3 hits all game just to get shelled for 4 runs in the 9th, I'm calling it out. Let's call a spade a spade guys, catchup logic exists in this game and I'm fairly certain everyone here has witnessed in in one way or another. Of course, only the "rebels" have the gaul to post about it here.
            LOL

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            • Knight165
              *ll St*r
              • Feb 2003
              • 24964

              #51
              Re: Something Has Definitely Changed with The Show This Year

              Originally posted by Padgoi
              I respect your work on the rosters, but please don't come at me with that "ridiculous" crap. I've been coming here for years and I tell it like it is. I know some people here are diehard show followers and will defend the game logic to the end of the earth, but I've seen way too many instances just like the above poster explained where the cpu seems to get a jolt in the later innings when they're down or make a miraculous comeback when the user starts to pull away. And it transpires via things iike the umpire shrinking the strike zone for the user pitcher (but conveniently calling the exact same pitches strikes for the cpu pitcher), weak hitters like Alberto Callaspo hitting 410-foot bombs, conveniently timed errors, etc. I walk hitters, I change up locations and pitch types, and I substitute for favorable matchups, but when Mariano Rivera is sporting a 12.50 ERA with three blown saves in the first four games and C.C. Sabathia has given up 3 hits all game just to get shelled for 4 runs in the 9th, I'm calling it out. Let's call a spade a spade guys, catchup logic exists in this game and I'm fairly certain everyone here has witnessed in in one way or another. Of course, only the "rebels" have the gaul to post about it here.
              No need to respect me...
              ...and you tell it like you THINK it is....but I'm sorry....you are incorrect.
              Rebel.
              I'm sorry....that one just got me.
              Video game rebel.

              M.K.
              Knight165
              All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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              • saturn2187
                Rookie
                • Jun 2010
                • 276

                #52
                Re: Something Has Definitely Changed with The Show This Year

                Originally posted by Padgoi
                I respect your work on the rosters, but please don't come at me with that "ridiculous" crap. I've been coming here for years and I tell it like it is. I know some people here are diehard show followers and will defend the game logic to the end of the earth, but I've seen way too many instances just like the above poster explained where the cpu seems to get a jolt in the later innings when they're down or make a miraculous comeback when the user starts to pull away. And it transpires via things iike the umpire shrinking the strike zone for the user pitcher (but conveniently calling the exact same pitches strikes for the cpu pitcher), weak hitters like Alberto Callaspo hitting 410-foot bombs, conveniently timed errors, etc. I walk hitters, I change up locations and pitch types, and I substitute for favorable matchups, but when Mariano Rivera is sporting a 12.50 ERA with three blown saves in the first four games and C.C. Sabathia has given up 3 hits all game just to get shelled for 4 runs in the 9th, I'm calling it out. Let's call a spade a spade guys, catchup logic exists in this game and I'm fairly certain everyone here has witnessed in in one way or another. Of course, only the "rebels" have the gaul to post about it here.
                wrong.


                About the hitting, i played last year on Veteran with default sliders and was great at hitting. I'm playing this year on all-star with default settings except for pitch speed 4, and i'm still hitting. I dont think the game has changed at all.

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                • I3RIS3H
                  Pro
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 640

                  #53
                  Re: Something Has Definitely Changed with The Show This Year

                  Whatever change some of you guys are seeing, I'm not.
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                  • CKW11
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 1540

                    #54
                    Re: Something Has Definitely Changed with The Show This Year

                    Originally posted by I3RIS3H
                    Whatever change some of you guys are seeing, I'm not.
                    Same here, especially this catchup logic. I'm only 6 games thru my franchise but I've yet to see it. May partly because I've only faced the Mets and Astros lol

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                    • Avarice
                      Rookie
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 68

                      #55
                      Re: Something Has Definitely Changed with The Show This Year

                      lol....some of you are awfully certain of things you can't possibly know for sure.

                      Everybody is entitled to their opinion and there is anecdotal evidence supporting both claims. So while the well-executed arguments of "you are incorrect" and "wrong" are amusing, they are no less ridiculous.

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                      • mizzouj
                        Rookie
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 161

                        #56
                        Re: Something Has Definitely Changed with The Show This Year

                        The main difference I've seen this year is the CPU offense goes into superman mode immediately after you score. Last year they would get real tough in the late innings if you had a lead, but tips on here could help you get around that.

                        Now it seems like when I score, I may as well just start the next inning out of the stretch with runners on first and third. It almost feels like no matter what I do, they are going to score. Come to think of it, I don't remember a single inning where I scored and the CPU didn't the next half inning. While I'm not going to claim to be a great pitcher in this game, this honestly does get a bit annoying at times.

                        Conversely, if the game is low scoring and close or they have a bit of a lead, I can groove fastballs down the middle to Pujols and get outs easily.

                        I think having situational logic built into the game is excellent. Has it gone a bit too far this year? I'm not going to say yes yet, as I want to play more games to see if what I'm experiencing so far is just a fluke or something to be concerned about.

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                        • ryan36
                          7 dirty words...
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 10139

                          #57
                          Re: Something Has Definitely Changed with The Show This Year

                          No more name calling... The Show forum has always been clique-free and civil (mostly, we aren't perfect).

                          Ok I'll try to do a couple things here... address something I don't want us to talk about because it's hijacking the thread- calmly offer a theory or two about it, and then try to address the OP.

                          First off, I am convinced that the team you're facing matters. And bullpens IRL are less consistent than starters... it's usually why they're in the pen. Also, in the game - it seems to me that some pitches are simply less effective than others. This is why I harp on the way the ball pops off the bat. eg: Dave Campbell says "Why doesn't he go to a sinker and get a double play?" Well, I don't throw the sinker because it's constantly popped up.

                          Secondly, I just blew a lead in the top of the 8th with the Mariners. In the bottom, with one out, I hit a grounder to Asdrubal Cabrera he threw it out of play. I pinch ran for Jesus Montero on 2nd, and next play is a ground ball to Kipnis, who muffs it and it kicks away... and I score from 2nd on the play. If this had happened to me in the field it would feel scripted and I'd be crying "comeback AI" to the heavens.But it didn't, so I think it's cool.

                          Along those same lines, the game does try produce sim stats... so maybe if you're dominating a guy who's usually a .300 hitter, maybe the game does try to balance that out. I don't know to be honest, but please leave this alone. We don't need another thread.

                          This year's game DOES feel different. The FB is a very good out pitch this year for the user, the cpu paints the corners pretty well... it's like they paint the black or meatball down the middle - I'm not seeing much variation. This is probably all in my head.

                          Maybe it's the new ball physics or something but doing certain things with sliders I've tried just don't work. It seems easier to "break the balance" than in years past. The animations get a little wonky and it's frustrating... so even if it seems like the OF's are too fast or the balls hit down the line should be doubles but are only singles - I find default the best balance, with minor tweaks.

                          Yes the game is different but it seems to be very different to different people... I think finding a good slider set is going to be very hard unless you do your own

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                          • Avarice
                            Rookie
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 68

                            #58
                            Re: Something Has Definitely Changed with The Show This Year

                            Point taken, Ryan.

                            Agree on the need for proprietary individual sliders. I found TNK's to be a good starting point but have had to tweak solid hits and power down for both player & cpu on all-star.

                            The biggest change I made was to strike frequency.....i had to put it all the way down to "2" to get a realistic balance of balls and strikes. As the in-game commentary would say, everybody was "pitching like they were double-parked;" relentlessly pounding the strike zone.

                            With this new setting I've gotten a pretty steady just under 2:1 ratio of strikes to balls.

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                            • Culture Rot
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 3018

                              #59
                              Re: Something Has Definitely Changed with The Show This Year

                              Antoher day another post about someone claiming to have major issues with the game because they arent hitting or pitching well for a few games.

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                              • Avarice
                                Rookie
                                • Nov 2009
                                • 68

                                #60
                                Re: Something Has Definitely Changed with The Show This Year

                                Not sure to whom you're responding but, just for reference's sake, my sample size is 38 regular season games into a franchise; so I've gotten a pretty good feel for patterns and tendencies at this point.

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