OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

[derelictojama]

Re: A trade acceptance/rejection thread idea

I feel the best way to implement this is once teams have representatives, to have the following template for "team-to-team" conversations.

Bold the following:

ATTENTION: "BallClub Name" Representatives, Trade Negotiation With "BallClub"

This would allow for lurkers of the thread to see how people acting as if they were the GM for the team are approaching trade proposals, make it very easy to communicate with team representatives, and keep the thread clean, informative, and with a clear use outside of the trade discussion thread.

Obviously, I'm not OS personnel, I'm just throwing out ideas based on what I've seen in other internet forums and games over the years and I think this would be a workable system. What does everyone else think?

I think this is a good idea, as a beginning for some "ground rules," and thought to mention that some context from the proposing side's Franchise world might be necessary (i.e., yes, I know the Braves, but if the Braves in YOUR franchise have traded Hudson away and are going with Teheran in the rotation, then that might change my answer as to how valuable he is, and other players are in relation to that re-evaluation; or a rash of injuries, or a player performing significantly above/below normal, etc). Not TOO much--the other GM doesn't need to know ALL the details, just big, relevant ones. And the relative position if not exact standings--in your universe, am I contending or not? That kind of thing can affect how you view a trade.

Or not, of course, if we want to keep it all general and hypothetical. Also, could get complicated as we progress ("I'm in 2018, and I want to trade for X player..." Well, what is X player like in your universe?) Not trying to throw wrenches, just thinking aloud, as it were. Other thoughts?

[pokerplaya]

Re: A trade acceptance/rejection thread idea

It would probably be best if you asked this in the trade discussion thread

Well, we do have at least one Dodgers representative... this is kind of what we were looking to accomplish, I thought...

Ask the representatives for the Dodgers what they would consider to add the big bopper Bautista to their lineup, and make your stipulations known.

So, since I'm not sure if they are reading at the moment, I'll summarize for you in the next post...

[pokerplaya]

Re: A trade acceptance/rejection thread idea

TO: Los Angeles Dodgers Representatives!
FROM: Toronto Blue Jays Representatives!

RE: We'd like to offer you Jose Bautista for a package including mostly MLB players.

Body:

Since I'm not the actual poster, I will just say Statdude a few posts up is wondering what kind of package your Dodgers would put together, mainly consisting of MLB-level talent, in exchange for the big slugger.

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Everyone please feel free to use the above template for team-to-team communications. Or don't. Just trying to keep things clean and easy to use. These are what I think the soul of the project is though... asking a Dodgers player what he'd give up for Bautista, working out a negotiation, and then having that much more realism in all of our respective franchises.

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As of right now, we have one LA Dodger representative in thread, PimpinPidgeon8. You've got mail, sir.

EDIT: For those that do not know how to bold use B and /B with [] around them, with the NON slash starting the bold type, and the /B ending the bold type. If I type it as an example, it wouldn't show up, so I hope it's clear. There's also a way to do it in the editor, so I probably didn't even need to post this but wanted to be thorough.

[pokerplaya]

Re: A trade acceptance/rejection thread idea

Yeah, i meant to make it an or... or... or... situation, not and... and... and. I can be flexible, essentially get to know a team I don't yet know (or know well) if that would help. Could be a good tool, seems worth doing.

Sorry, I was in a rush to get to work when I initially read your post and couldn't really respond.

At least until teams fill in, if you're franchising with a team that isn't already represented, I think its a better idea to fill a team with no representation. There isn't any true difference between GM and Assistant GM (I didn't plan on writing rules because I was just trying to help, I don't want anyone to think I was trying to jack PistolPete's thread...) but I was all for keeping it as informal as possible, with really the only guidelines being the template I put a few pages up to make it easy for GM's to see the initial negotiation... and also to let people being RESPONDED to that its an official communication from that team. I hadn't said anything, but for example, Bard is a rep for the Red Sox... he answered a Red Sox question, but the guy won't be sure that Bard "speaks for" the Red Sox. My fault for not having structured it as of yet, but again -- this wasn't really planned.

I just didn't want the thread to die or lock. I'm updating the list now, I'm going to throw you in the best available fit for you and if you dislike it this isn't Nazi Germany and we'll fix it. Thanks for your interest and your help!

[pokerplaya]

Re: A trade acceptance/rejection thread idea

Current Team Representatives - OS Arbitration Panel 2012 (5/23/12, 3:30AMEST)

Arizona Diamondbacks - PowerOfRed25, General Manager
Atlanta Braves - Helios12787, General Manager
Boston Red Sox - TNKNGM, General Manager -- Bard, Assistant GM
Chicago Cubs - DerelictOjama, General Manager
Chicago White Sox - DPauley23, General Manager
Detroit Tigers - Pokerplaya, General Manager and OSAP 2012 Secretary -- JHendricks316, Assistant GM
Kansas City Royals - HechticSooner, General Manager
Los Angeles Angels - Angels027, General Manager -- XboxxerX, Assistant GM
Los Angeles Dodgers - Pimpinpidgeon8, General Manager
Milwaukee Brewers - PistolPete, General Manager and OS Arbitration Panel 2012 Founder
Minnesota Twins - MattGarza13, General Manager
New York Yankees - NYYankees42, General Manager
Seattle Mariners - RunningTheNight, General Manager

Thirteen Teams Currently Represented!

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GM's, ASSISTANT GM's and REPS. Just who signed up first. Not the way this works...

New representatives this update: PowerOfRed25, D-Backs -- DerelictOjama, Cubs (pending his approval) -- DPauley23, White Sox -- JHendricks316, Tigers (2nd rep!) -- HechticSooner, KC Royals -- PistolPete, Brewers (OS Arbitration Panel FOUNDER)

SQUADS IN NEED OF REPRESENTATION:
Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Colorado, Houston, Miami, New York Mets, Oakland, Philly, Pittsburgh, San Diego, San Francisco, St. Louis, Tampa, Texas, Toronto, Washington

-- Current to here, Pistol, feel free to cut and paste above this line, "ground rules" in my next post in thread. Thanks again. -PP --
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Thanks to all of you both for your interest in this project and your support.

We are still in need of many active OS'ers to take part in this project. By "request" of PistolPete, I'm going to write a Ground Rules/Guide for the project and leave it as my next post, and he has stated that he will update the first post of the thread. Please remember everyone, everything I say is just ideas, but I think we can really enhance our experience here. As a group, this should be an absolute blast. Thanks for letting me help out!

[derelictojama]

Re: A trade acceptance/rejection thread idea

[B]Current Team Representatives - OS Arbitration Panel 2012 (5/23/12, 3:30AMEST)


Chicago Cubs - DerelictOjama, General Manager
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DerelictOjama, Cubs (pending his approval)
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We are still in need of many active OS'ers to take part in this project. By "request" of PistolPete, I'm going to write a Ground Rules/Guide for the project and leave it as my next post, and he has stated that he will update the first post of the thread. Please remember everyone, everything I say is just ideas, but I think we can really enhance our experience here. As a group, this should be an absolute blast. Thanks for letting me help out!

I'm good with the Cubs. Still flexible, can shift around as needed, but I do have a franchise running with them, so that works.

Great idea, obviously, PistolPete, and thanks for all the work you've put in, pokerplaya, and the rest of yall/us jumping in. It'd be cool if we could get a nice, smooth system running, could be fun & of significant value, and "dynamic", as PistolPete said, in many possible directions. Let me know if/how I can help.

[pokerplaya]

Re: A trade acceptance/rejection thread idea

OS ARBITRATION PANEL 2012 -- GROUND RULES, REGULATIONS AND GUIDE

INTRO

Welcome to the OS Arbitration Panel 2012, for MLB 12 - The Show.

I took a little bit of initiative after a thread started by PistolPete, in the effort to keep this project from getting buried in the forums, or for being locked for "being just like the Trade Discussion thread." Well, I think we've so far accomplished both goals, and on behalf of the great start by Pete, I'm here to provide some "ground rules", basic regulations, and a guide to what this project is, how you can become involved, and what we hope to accomplish as a group.

MISSION AND GOALS OF THE THREAD AND PROJECT

We didn't sit down and talk and think this up, so I'm basically just winging this. We're a group of like-minded sim players who are looking to trade with the CPU fairly, as CPU trade logic is one of the only things in this game that is not platinum perfect. How do we accomplish this?

Users here at Operation Sports will be taking the "role" of representatives from the teams they franchise with, de facto General Mangers of those squads if you will. What these representatives do is give YOU, the fellow OS'er who just stumbled upon us, the ability to negotiate trades WITH A HUMAN who controls the team you are looking to trade with in MLB - The Show.

I have designed a template for "team-to-team" communications, but here's a quick example.

You are franchising with your squad (doesn't matter) -- and you are looking to pursue a trade with the Detroit Tigers. You address a very basic template to the Detroit Tigers Representatives in our thread, stating what you are looking to accomplish in trade with that organization. We'll just say for example that you are the Philadelphia Phillies, and you want to make this suggested trade with Detroit. Let's say you're willing to offer a package including Cliff Lee. You address our template (again, I made it very simple) to the Detroit Tigers (me, in this example...) and we can then start a dialogue as to what would be fair. HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT YOU? It's simple. I don't just represent the Tigers in this thread, your representatives FRANCHISE with these teams. So, you are asking a Tigers franchiser, OK -- I'd have to give you Cliff Lee and what other monstrosities in order to peel Miggy Cabrera from your claws.

At which point we'd either have a very quick, or a very long discussion on how Miggy probably wouldn't go anywhere.

Anyway, to summarize -- this is intended to be a gold mine of info on who actual humans who franchise with the teams you are trying to trade with would think of your trades. Which should lead you to a final product of always making sim trades in your The Show franchise, which I know as a sickly realism nut -- is one of the most sickening feelings when you think you've raped the CPU. Now, you've made a fair trade in the eyes of a human that would have to play with your trade if they made it, but hey -- they would do it if they did!

I hope that sums it up -- here are some basic guidelines and a VERY few rules in order to be as informative as we can, follow OS rules, and have FUN with ZERO drama.

OS ARBITRATION PANEL 2012 - RULES/GUIDELINES

1. ALL OS Rules must be complied with all times, not that this doesn't go without saying.

2. There is NO difference between GM's, Assistant GM's, and Representatives. No one is making ACTUAL decisions for squads, we are here for discussions on better sim experiences with a set system. Since it is all discussion, no one outranks anyone. Titles were set strictly by order of sign up.

3. We ask that you PLEASE use the simple template I provide for Team-to-Team communications so the thread does not become a jumbled mess.

4. Also, we ask that you refrain from pointless off-topic chatter or other game discussion so the thread can serve its true purpose. It will be a little crazy at least until all teams have representatives, but we're all trying to have fun here and it will be much more fun if everything here is on-topic and on the purpose of the project.

5. EVEN if you disagree with a representatives assessment, NO ONE is to be disrespectful or abusive to any other OS member. This is here for FUN, and remember -- these representatives also play their franchises with the teams they are representing. We DO ask our representatives to try to be as non-biased as possible in terms of talent so everyone gets a true barometer. You shouldn't run into an area where you are getting a bad recommendation because a midrange player just happens to be a guys favorite and he "squeezes" you for far more than he is worth.

6. We HOPE people new to the project will assume franchises that are not taken, but we will not turn away multiple representatives to the same franchise. Just hopeful that it is not hard to get representation for every team and that we all work together.

7. JUST HAVE FUN. There should be no drama here as it should never deviate from a bunch of players looking for the most sim experience possible and all trying to help each other. Be respectful, explain your actions as a representative, and everyone just do their best to help everyone enjoy this great game we have a little more.

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OS ARBITRATION PANEL 2012 -- TEMPLATE BELOW

All you have to do is bold the following lines, using B and /B surrounded by [] or using the editor. This will make your communications to representatives much easier and enable us all to use the thread without excess clutter or people not knowing what is addressed to whom. THANK YOU for helping us stay on purpose!

..start cut n paste..

TO: (Organization Name) Representatives!
FROM: (Organization Name) Player!

RE: Negotiations involving (Player) or (Players)

BODY:

Please explain any factors specific to your franchise situation in the body. Are you trading KC and they are out of it, but you are making a huge push? Let your representative have as much information as possible. Representatives, please try to stay on the template when replying to make it easy on those who will use our project. THE BODY also will allow you to negotiate trades months and possibly even years into franchises, but please don't hold it against the representative if they don't have enough information because of differences to give you an ideal sim-experience.

.. end cut-n-paste ..

It should be stated -- these communications are to be IN THREAD. Since this is for franchise play, your communications do not need to remain secret, and the discussion alone may just make the day of someone who has never even posted, but just had their experience greatly enhanced because of your post. Thanks!
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That's it, really. If you're here, you just want challenging trade logic with the CPU, or hell -- you'd prefer even halfway realistic. Everyone here should be looking for sim trading experiences and to help themselves AND others. Let's have fun, and keep this a drama free area.

Thanks to PistolPete for letting me run with this.

[pokerplaya]

Re: A trade acceptance/rejection thread idea

Just edited the representatives list to show the teams we need reps for still, figured that can only help... Thanks for the kind words, derelict. I'm going to go get a game or two in before bed, I think I'm done typing for a few lol...

Thanks for taking the Cubs... I think we'll get enough people now that we have a little more structure, but if we can't fill squads, its good to know that at least some folks are willing to take on dual responsibility. Glad to have you aboard!

[wPA]

Re: A trade acceptance/rejection thread idea

Sure, I appear to be a newish user, but that doesn't mean I don't know my prospects, as I like to be ahead of the learning curve. MLB rosters are easy enough to understand. The Yankees, my team, sure, that's always fun at the major league level, but I'd like to take the Jays. They'll be outstanding in the future with players such as D'Arnaud, Marisnick, Snydergaard, Nicolino, McGuire, Hutch, and Gose. How can I say no to that? I mean, when guys like Anderson and Musgrove, small sample size yes for both, is in my personal of lower teens best prospects in the system, that's incredible.

My prospects won't come easy, mainly due to my philosophy that the Jays should wait out 2 or 3 more years, possibly less, and then experience a Rays like breakout of 2008. Sure, 24-20 is a pretty nice start (and, if said pace continued, would be an 88 win season), but I feel the best is yet to come with this team.

Warnings: I may use sabermetrics (like my username) that the other GMs may not have heard of. If I include such metrics, I'll provide a link with explanation of how the stat works, what is good, what is not. For instance, offering me a high BABIP position player (this stands for Batting Average of Balls in Play; high end is typically around .320+) is a bad thing, that indicates the player is getting rather lucky with their hits, and is more than likely an unsustainable pace. This is just the opposite for a pitcher, unless they are truly Les Sweetland.

Likewise, if I mention "SSS" to you, that indicates small sample size, and that it is not especially valid; more data (as in, plate appearances or innings) at a certain level are needed.

Glad I can help, but nothing will ever come easy. If I reject your proposal, to be nice, I'll usually offer a counter example.

[wPA]

Re: A trade acceptance/rejection thread idea

<hr style="color:#393939" size="1"> TO: Los Angeles Dodgers Representatives!
FROM: Toronto Blue Jays Representatives!

RE: We'd like to offer you Jose Bautista for a package including mostly MLB players.

Well, if you want to be especially daring and create shockwaves throughout the league, we will accept Matt Kemp in a 1-for-1 deal.

At this time, if you chose to decline this offer, Jose Bautista is not available in a transaction. Even with his slow start this season, Bautista has made the Jays organization more popular around the Canadian community, in addition to various sponsors promoting Bautista, vastly improving the bottom line, from advertisements to overall attendance. As indicated by over 40 million dollars left on his contract, we believe he is a cornerstone for the franchise who will not only help us win in 2012 and beyond, but he will serve as a mentor hitter for some of our younger hitting prospects in the coming years.

Thanks for ringing, Ned!

~Alex A.

[pimpinpidgeon8]

[QUOTE=pokerplaya;2043688518]TO: Los Angeles Dodgers Representatives!
FROM: Toronto Blue Jays Representatives!

RE: We'd like to offer you Jose Bautista for a package including mostly MLB players.

Body:

Since I'm not the actual poster, I will just say Statdude a few posts up is wondering what kind of package your Dodgers would put together, mainly consisting of MLB-level talent, in exchange for the big slugger.

This is kind of a tough one. Obviously this package would start with Andre Ethier but I need more information. What positions are you looking to improve at? There are obviously a few players that are not leaving (i.e. Kemp & Kershaw). I'll start thinking of possible trades while I wait for more information from you.


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[pokerplaya]

Re: A trade acceptance/rejection thread idea

<hr style="color:#393939" size="1"> TO: Los Angeles Dodgers Representatives!
FROM: Toronto Blue Jays Representatives!

RE: We'd like to offer you Jose Bautista for a package including mostly MLB players.

Well, if you want to be especially daring and create shockwaves throughout the league, we will accept Matt Kemp in a 1-for-1 deal.

At this time, if you chose to decline this offer, Jose Bautista is not available in a transaction. Even with his slow start this season, Bautista has made the Jays organization more popular around the Canadian community, in addition to various sponsors promoting Bautista, vastly improving the bottom line, from advertisements to overall attendance. As indicated by over 40 million dollars left on his contract, we believe he is a cornerstone for the franchise who will not only help us win in 2012 and beyond, but he will serve as a mentor hitter for some of our younger hitting prospects in the coming years.

Thanks for ringing, Ned!

~Alex A.

Alex, definitely am glad to have you involved, and will make you a Jays representative, but that was another Jay's player trying to get in contact with the Dodgers. So... I will be adding you to the Jays on the next update and you can feel to handle any people who want to negotiate with the Blue Jays...

Even though it didn't fit as it was from another poster, I do love your thoughts and analysis.. Welcome to the new Blue Jays GM!

[pokerplaya]

Re: A trade acceptance/rejection thread idea

[QUOTE=pimpinpidgeon8;2043688756]

TO: Los Angeles Dodgers Representatives!
FROM: Toronto Blue Jays Representatives!

RE: We'd like to offer you Jose Bautista for a package including mostly MLB players.

Body:

Since I'm not the actual poster, I will just say Statdude a few posts up is wondering what kind of package your Dodgers would put together, mainly consisting of MLB-level talent, in exchange for the big slugger.

This is kind of a tough one. Obviously this package would start with Andre Ethier but I need more information. What positions are you looking to improve at? There are obviously a few players that are not leaving (i.e. Kemp & Kershaw). I'll start thinking of possible trades while I wait for more information from you.


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Beautiful start, this is exactly what this thread is all about!

[pimpinpidgeon8]

[QUOTE=pokerplaya;2043688781]

Beautiful start, this is exactly what this thread is all about!

Thanks! I love this idea of GM's and I have a few ideas for the Blue Jays guy. Just waiting for him to respond again.


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[wPA]

Re: A trade acceptance/rejection thread idea

(My name isn't Alex, it's the name of Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos, hehe. But yes, my mistake- I'm approaching this too much from actual life. I feel silly, but oh well, let's revise this. Ned refers to Ned Colletti, current Dodgers GM. Back to the thread's point.)

To: Ned Colletti, Los Angeles Dodgers General Manager
From: Alex Anthopoulos, Toronto Blue Jays General Manager
Subject: Re: Re: Trade Proposal for Jose Bautista

Hey Ned,

After discussing things with the Rogers Communications, earlier this morning, they have allowed me to consider trades for Jose Bautista. I explained to them that we can make a farm system ranked first by former ESPN writer and current owner of the popular website minorleagueball(.com)owner John Sickels prior to this season could be an even stronger system. This trade would also benefit the Blue Jays organization to produce even more for the upcoming years, while helping yours in a 'win now' mode. I was able to convince them that the trade will be okay, so we are on! Thankfully, Jose does not have a no-trade clause, nor 10-and-5 rights, so I will not need his permission. With that said, I propose the following offer, of mostly MLB players, as per your request.

The Los Angeles Dodgers will receive the rights and services of Jose Bautista, paying the entire contract. In return, the Toronto Blue Jays will receive the contracts and services of first baseman James Loney, right fielder Andre Eithier, right-handed starting pitcher Chad Billingsley, and left-handed pitching prospect Chris Reed.

Hope to hear back from you soon,

~Alex A.

(Side note: If anybody submits propose a future deal to the Blue Jays, please state if you have minor league rosters downloaded; that will affect how I deal with you.)