OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

30 isn't really a preferable age. What would we have to do to lure one of your younger starters? I like to think that we're a young team with a lot of compete, and we don't have too many thirty year olds that aren't in the pen.

May the odds be ever in your favor,
Toronto Blue Jays Baseball

(These negotiations are going so long that I've run out of things to say at the end. Had to make a Hunger Games reference. )

But since Bautista is older, he may represent your chance of winning. Imagine how scary Shields, Romero combo at top of rotation would be. Then you would have a good young SS in Beckham. We could trade Pena too.

Tell me what you think,
Kirk Plum, Rays Gm

[AC]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

But since Bautista is older, he may represent your chance of winning. Imagine how scary Shields, Romero combo at top of rotation would be. Then you would have a good young SS in Beckham. We could trade Pena too.

Tell me what you think,
Kirk Plum, Rays Gm

Bautista is a late bloomer. He'll keep on producing well for 5 or 6 more years, in my opinion. We have Aideny Hechavarria (hope I got that right, didn't google it) and Yunel Escobar at short, so that's a surplus. We've got Lind at first base. (Lind doesn't suck in the game like he does IRL.) I would really much rather someone at oldest, 28. I've also seen Shields retire at only 34 many times. Plus, he's a free agent at the end of the year.

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Padres Gm
From: Rays Gm

RE: James Shields

We have called to inform you that James Shields is now on the trade block. We wanted to send you an offer, since you don't have any aces.

TB receives:
Yasmani Grandal
Austin Hedges
Rymer Liriano

SD receives:
James Shields
Kyle Farnsworth
Luke Scott

Tell me what you think. Give me a counter offer if one is needed.

Thanks for your time,
Kirk Plum, Rays GM

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Padres Gm
From: Rays Gm

RE: James Shields

We have called to inform you that James Shields is now on the trade block. We wanted to send you an offer, since you don't have any aces.

TB receives:
Yasmani Grandal
Austin Hedges
Rymer Liriano

SD receives:
James Shields
Kyle Farnsworth
Luke Scott

Tell me what you think. Give me a counter offer if one is needed.

Thanks for your time,
Kirk Plum, Rays GM

What do I do since there is no padre gm?

[AC]

What do I do since there is no padre gm?

To be honest, I would go the trade discussion thread.

Does anyone really care where I sent this from?

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

Don't bother....that trade would never be accepted by the Padres

I was just starting negotiations. I would rather ask for too much at beginning, because if you ask for less than they would take at 1st, then you cant get more than you initially offered.

[Getty51]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

I can help with Cubs and Reds if it is needed.

Just let me know.

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

I can help with Cubs and Reds if it is needed.

Just let me know.

Would you think there is any legit trade I could do so that I could acquire Mescaro? I am the rays and would trade shields among others. Let me know!

[authentic]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

What do I do since there is no padre gm?

Hmm, interesting question. I guess probably wait until they have one? Or maybe pistol can give his recommendations. That's a tough call. I think you might have to take Farnsworth or Joyce off there (I think that was the other player) and add a younger player.

Nevermind, it was Luke Scott. I would take Scott off and replace him with a prospect.

[derelictojama]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Chicago Cubs GM
From: Pittsburgh Pirates
RE: Trey McNutt

We as an organization have great interest in one of your prospects, Trey McNutt. Currently you guys sit 6 game back of the division lead in early May. We feel Trey can fit nicely into our farm system rotation and we are willing to help you with some of the needs you have displayed on the Team Needs section, being 3B and SP. We are willing to do this deal:

Pirates Give:
3B Josh Harrison - Josh is in AAA ball right now and is hitting .231 with 0 HRs and 10 RBIs. He is one of our prized 3B propsects aalong with Alvarez, and displays a lot of patience at the plate. He is 24 years old and a B potential, and we feel he can have an MLB impact for your team as early as next year.
SP Nick Kingham - Nick is currently is Class A ball so he has no stats to share, however he is a 20 year old B potential starting pitcher who has good stuff with his hard slider and sweeping curve. He may take a few years to develop, but we think he's worth it for you.
SP Colton Cain - Colton is a 21 year old B potential, and started the year in Class A, due to injuries we had to call him up to AA and plug him into the rotation. He currently is 1-2 with a 5.40 ERA with 11 K's and 3 BB's. He is more of a control pitcher and won't wow you with his stuff, but he certainly could be ready for the big leagues as soon as 2013.

Cubs Give:
SP Trey McNutt - McNutt currently has a 2-1 record with a 2.67 ERA, 26 K's, and 10 BB's. We think he can be a gret addition to our future team.
SS Junior Lake - Junior is not a must in this trade, we simply think he could be an added piece in the deal. Currently in AAA he is hitting .273 with 0 HR and 7 RBI.

Feel free to counter offer or decline if you think this is not the appropriate time to be making a move

- The Pittsburgh Pirates

To: Pittsburgh Pirates
From: Chicago Cubs

RE: Your proposed trade centering on Trey McNutt

We are interested in your proposal but have a few details to discuss...

[stepping out of context for a moment:

First let me say that I don't think your proposal is too far off in terms of the talent levels involved, but just needs a little tweaking. I'm going to try something here. I'm going to see if I can help you achieve your goal in one step, minimizing the need to go back and forth and hopefully making it so you can move forward with this as soon as you can in your franchise. I am perfectly willing to discuss it further with you if necessary, but I just want to see if this can be done in expedient fashion to help as our process is developing, so, here are my thoughts (and if authentic sees this and replies as well, you may get a totally different answer from him, giving you further options):

--You're asking the Cubs, who even in your franchise world are probably going to start rebuilding soon, and are one of your division rivals, to give up a guy that's probably/possibly going to be a part of their rotation as soon as 2013. McNutt is one of those high-B prospects that can progress to an A in some franchises if things go the right way. Don't know the guys you're trying to send very well, but as far as I know neither of them is a high-B, to the extent that they've been named as among the guys that have been known to have that growth potential. I like both of those guys, but that's going to leave a hole in the Cubs immediate future. And Harrison came FROM the Cubs organization, so it's unlikely that they'd trade to get him back. All that said, what really matters here is, how do YOU get McNutt. If you do so, you're getting a possible A pot guy who will be ready soon; you have to give something the Cubs REALLY need, or give them a young, true A pot guy, and help the Cubs out in some other way. So, I'd say, find someone on your roster who is younger than Harrison, preferably an A-- but a B-pot would be ok-- 2B, OF or another 3B (just younger), and substitute him, AND instead of Lake, who may actually turn into something, look at the Cubs in YOUR franchise, see who they have on the trading block, see who is performing the worst among the guys they need to get rid of in their rebuilding process (Dempster, Maholm, Marmol--unless he's tearing it up in your franchise--Soto, Soriano, Reed Johnson, Marlon Byrd if he's still on the roster). Then, and it might take two separate deals, you give:
--Kingham
--Cain
--try to find something that actually hurts, just a little bit. Look at who will be displaced by McNutt. Is there an A SP buried deep in your farm system? Send him. Got a young B pot 2B? Send him. Basically, something a little better than Harrison, who I really don't see the Cubs wanting. Or make 2 separate trades so you can send the Cubs FOUR B prospects instead of just 3 (in which case, Harrison could be one of them, if you really want to get rid of him).

You get:
--McNutt
--The guy the Cubs most need to get rid of in YOUR franchise--somebody on the Trading Block, or the guy among those I named above performing the absolute worst--and you essentially have to eat that guy, even if it means releasing him and eating his salary so the Cubs don't have to.
--for the sake of evenness, you could take one of the random useless pieces the Cubs have (a true D or F player, preferably older (over 30), stuck in the minors, and just in the way of their rebuilding process). Look at their relief pitchers and infielders to find one of them-Luis Valbuena springs to mind, without me having to even look at my roster.

This should help the "realism" factor--which is all we're trying to do here, be better at helping with trades than the game trading AI--in that you'll be getting what you want--McNutt--but it will be coming at a realistically steep price, and it'll also be coming with some baggage (whether it be Soriano or Soto or Dempster or whoever, and some random older vet RP or IF you'll end up releasing yourself).

Again, if you need more information, we can certainly discuss it further. My goal here was to see if we could do it in one step, handle the possible issues without me having to get too involved in your franchise universe. We'll see how it works...

Stepping back into context, let's say I was able to get all these points across in my best non-committal, playing both ends GM voice:]

So, all that said, here is our counter-offer:

Pirates send:
-Kingham
-Cain
-That/those other young player(s) [2b, 3b, OF] we discussed (We like Josh, enough so that we drafted him--but we're moving in another direction at this point)

Cubs send:
-McNutt
-That older vet we discussed who we need to move to make room for our younger players
-That older vet we discussed who is a spare part in our organization

We hope we can make a deal with you that will benefit both organizations as we move toward the future. Who knows, a couple of years down the line, we might be fighting to see who takes over the NL central!

--Derek Oja, special assistant to Mssrs. Hoyer and Epstein (they still haven't come back from that boat trip, I'm starting to get worried...)

[back ooc for a moment: let me know if yall think this idea works; the back and forth can/could be fun, but if we can find a way to make this process quicker and more pain free, esp. on the responder's side, I think this thing will last longer.]

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Braves GM
From: Rays Gm

RE: James Shields

Sorry about the injuries that you've suffered from. With Tim Hudson and Brandon Beachy out for the rest of the season, it seems like you need some pitching depth.

Here's how you guys rank:
Era: 4.29 21st
Complete Games: 2 T-29th
Hits Allowed: 889 15th
Runs Allowed: 413 17th
Earned Runs: 291 16th
HR Allowed: 105 T-29th
Strikeouts: 706 22nd
Win percentage: .584 5th

Those numbers are horrendous compared to what they should have been. We have come up with a solution to your problems. We could trade you James Shields! Here's his numbers:
Wins: 12, 3rd in MLB
Losses: 1, 2nd in MLB
Era: 2.10, tops in AL, 2nd in MLB
Complete Games: 4 T-3 MLB, has a couple 9inng shutouts, and then a reliever blew it in 10th.
Shutouts: 2, T-3 in MLB
Runs allowed: 41
Earned Runs: 38
HR allowed: 11
Strikouts: 153, 2nd in AL, would be 4th in MLB
Win percentage: .923
Whip: 1.14, 5th in MLB
Innings pitched: 163.0, 1st in MLB by 12 innings!

As you can see, his numbers are good. He has a 12-1 record in 21 games. Hitters are hitting .231 against him, with lefties hitting .225! Righties are hitting just .237! He also leads the MLB in innings pitched, which is big for y'all, since your bullpen has worked a lot this year.

To get to the point we are interested in Julio Teheran. He is doing horrible at AAA for y'all, and we think it is because he doesn't have the time to grow there. He is 5-9 at AAA and has a 4.09 era(on recent hot streak) We think we can turn him around, but you need pitching now. We propose this to y'all:

Rays receive:
Julio Teheran
Christian Bethancourt hitting .268 with 4 homers, 28 RBI in 343 abs at AA.

Braves receive:
James Shields
Kyle Farnsworth 35 g, 46 innings, 3.52 era, 34 K, 1.26 whip, opponents are batting .233 against him. Righties are batting .221, and lefties are hitting .244 against him.
Carlos Pena hitting .289, 35 hr, 88 RBI, 112 hits in 387 abs, .993 fielding %( all except fielding % & avg. lead MLB.) he is 3rd in AL first baseman for gold glove. He is leading AL MVP.

Freddie Freeman is hitting .265 with 15 hr, 59 RBI, 98 hits in 370 abs
Since you've been short on starting pitching, this past week, you moved Kimbrel into rotation. With Shields, you could move Kimbrel back to closer, and your current setup man, Jonny Venters, has a 5.98 era in 40.2 innings pitched, so Farnsworth could take over for him. You could move Venters into middle innings, so that he doesn't have as much pressure on him.

Y'all are 59-42, and are 3.5 games above the Mets for 1st in division.
We just got swept by Yanks, but are now only 7.5 games behind them for AL East division title at 67-35. We currently lead Wild Card by 13.5 games.

It's 2 days before trade deadline, so get back to me soon, and we can make probably the biggest trade deadline deal in history!!!!!

Please get back to me as soon as possible, and we can negotiate however much we need to. ( just ask ACMillan1999 )

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, Rays GM

[jknott10]

To: Braves GM
From: Rays Gm

RE: James Shields

Sorry about the injuries that you've suffered from. With Tim Hudson and Brandon Beachy out for the rest of the season, it seems like you need some pitching depth.

Here's how you guys rank:
Era: 4.29 21st
Complete Games: 2 T-29th
Hits Allowed: 503 15th
Runs Allowed: 248 17th
Earned Runs: 237 16th
HR Allowed: 72 T-29th
Strikeouts: 375 22nd
Win percentage: .491 16th

Those numbers are horrendous compared to what they should have been. We have come up with a solution to your problems. We could trade you James Shields! Here's his numbers:
Era: 2.70, 3rd in AL, 8th in NL
Complete Games: 3 T-2 in MLB
Runs allowed: 35
Earned Runs: 32
HR allowed: 8
Strikouts: 102, leads AL, would be 4th in NL
Win percentage: .889

As you can see, his numbers are good. He has a 8-1 record in 14 games. Hitters are hitting .245 against him, with lefties hitting .224! He also leads the MLB in innings pitched, which is big for y'all, since your bullpen has worked a lot this year.

To get to the point we are interested in Julio Teheran. He is doing horrible at AAA for y'all, and we think it is because he doesn't have the time to grow there. He is 3-7 at AAA and has a 4.54 era. We think we can turn him around, but you need pitching now. We propose this to y'all:

Rays receive:
Julio Teheran
Christian Bethancourt

Braves receive:
James Shields
Kyle Farnsworth 22 g, 31.2 innings, 1.76 era, 24 K, 1.04 whip (2nd in AL, 5th in NL)
Carlos Pena hitting .315, 26 hr, 62 RBI, 81 hits in 257 abs, .991 fielding %( all except fielding % & avg. lead MLB. He's second in avg.)

Freddie Freeman is hitting .227 with 6 hr, 26 RBI, 47 hits in 207 abs
Since you've been short on starting pitching, this past week, you moved Kimbrel into rotation. With Shields, you could move Kimbrel back to closer, and your current setup man, Jonny Venters, has a 6.04 era in 22.1 innings pitched, so Farnsworth could take over for him. You could move Venters into middle innings, so that he doesn't have as much pressure on him.

Please get back to me as soon as possible, and we can negotiate however much we need to. ( just ask ACMillan1999 )

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, Rays GM

Pokerplaya, I would like to take over the roles of the assistant GM for the Atlanta Braves. And with that said I will respond to this proposal as soon as possible. As I'm tied up at work right now

[pokerplaya]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

Pokerplaya, I would like to take over the roles of the assistant GM for the Atlanta Braves. And with that said I will respond to this proposal as soon as possible. As I'm tied up at work right now

Done. I haven't updated the list yet, but feel free to begin representing the Braves when ready. Thanks!

[pokerplaya]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

What do I do since there is no padre gm?

Yeah, you can always use the regular trade discussion thread. I wouldn't anticipate it taking very long to get these last few franchise represented...

[bwoodring9]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Pittsburgh Pirates
From: Chicago Cubs

RE: Your proposed trade centering on Trey McNutt

We are interested in your proposal but have a few details to discuss...

[stepping out of context for a moment:

First let me say that I don't think your proposal is too far off in terms of the talent levels involved, but just needs a little tweaking. I'm going to try something here. I'm going to see if I can help you achieve your goal in one step, minimizing the need to go back and forth and hopefully making it so you can move forward with this as soon as you can in your franchise. I am perfectly willing to discuss it further with you if necessary, but I just want to see if this can be done in expedient fashion to help as our process is developing, so, here are my thoughts (and if authentic sees this and replies as well, you may get a totally different answer from him, giving you further options):

--You're asking the Cubs, who even in your franchise world are probably going to start rebuilding soon, and are one of your division rivals, to give up a guy that's probably/possibly going to be a part of their rotation as soon as 2013. McNutt is one of those high-B prospects that can progress to an A in some franchises if things go the right way. Don't know the guys you're trying to send very well, but as far as I know neither of them is a high-B, to the extent that they've been named as among the guys that have been known to have that growth potential. I like both of those guys, but that's going to leave a hole in the Cubs immediate future. And Harrison came FROM the Cubs organization, so it's unlikely that they'd trade to get him back. All that said, what really matters here is, how do YOU get McNutt. If you do so, you're getting a possible A pot guy who will be ready soon; you have to give something the Cubs REALLY need, or give them a young, true A pot guy, and help the Cubs out in some other way. So, I'd say, find someone on your roster who is younger than Harrison, preferably an A-- but a B-pot would be ok-- 2B, OF or another 3B (just younger), and substitute him, AND instead of Lake, who may actually turn into something, look at the Cubs in YOUR franchise, see who they have on the trading block, see who is performing the worst among the guys they need to get rid of in their rebuilding process (Dempster, Maholm, Marmol--unless he's tearing it up in your franchise--Soto, Soriano, Reed Johnson, Marlon Byrd if he's still on the roster). Then, and it might take two separate deals, you give:
--Kingham
--Cain
--try to find something that actually hurts, just a little bit. Look at who will be displaced by McNutt. Is there an A SP buried deep in your farm system? Send him. Got a young B pot 2B? Send him. Basically, something a little better than Harrison, who I really don't see the Cubs wanting. Or make 2 separate trades so you can send the Cubs FOUR B prospects instead of just 3 (in which case, Harrison could be one of them, if you really want to get rid of him).

You get:
--McNutt
--The guy the Cubs most need to get rid of in YOUR franchise--somebody on the Trading Block, or the guy among those I named above performing the absolute worst--and you essentially have to eat that guy, even if it means releasing him and eating his salary so the Cubs don't have to.
--for the sake of evenness, you could take one of the random useless pieces the Cubs have (a true D or F player, preferably older (over 30), stuck in the minors, and just in the way of their rebuilding process). Look at their relief pitchers and infielders to find one of them-Luis Valbuena springs to mind, without me having to even look at my roster.

This should help the "realism" factor--which is all we're trying to do here, be better at helping with trades than the game trading AI--in that you'll be getting what you want--McNutt--but it will be coming at a realistically steep price, and it'll also be coming with some baggage (whether it be Soriano or Soto or Dempster or whoever, and some random older vet RP or IF you'll end up releasing yourself).

Again, if you need more information, we can certainly discuss it further. My goal here was to see if we could do it in one step, handle the possible issues without me having to get too involved in your franchise universe. We'll see how it works...

Stepping back into context, let's say I was able to get all these points across in my best non-committal, playing both ends GM voice:]

So, all that said, here is our counter-offer:

Pirates send:
-Kingham
-Cain
-That/those other young player(s) [2b, 3b, OF] we discussed (We like Josh, enough so that we drafted him--but we're moving in another direction at this point)

Cubs send:
-McNutt
-That older vet we discussed who we need to move to make room for our younger players
-That older vet we discussed who is a spare part in our organization

We hope we can make a deal with you that will benefit both organizations as we move toward the future. Who knows, a couple of years down the line, we might be fighting to see who takes over the NL central!

--Derek Oja, special assistant to Mssrs. Hoyer and Epstein (they still haven't come back from that boat trip, I'm starting to get worried...)

[back ooc for a moment: let me know if yall think this idea works; the back and forth can/could be fun, but if we can find a way to make this process quicker and more pain free, esp. on the responder's side, I think this thing will last longer.]

To: Chicago Cubs GM
From: Pittsburgh Pirates
RE: Trey McNutt

Before I go into my GM talk, do you think the Cubs would give up McNutt in real life if they were offered a good trade?
Back in GM talk :
As far as your trading block goes, you have Junior Lake, Scott Maine, and Samardzija on it. Looking at your proposal, we would be willing to take either Maholm or Wells, along with Amezaga and McNutt, and give you Starling Marte, Cain, and Kingham. Marte is one of our prized prospects though, so we may want another B or C prospect in return, if that seems fair.
The final deal may look like this:
Pirates Give:
SP Cain - stats given earlier
SP Kingham - stats given earlier
OF Starling Marte - .194 3 HR 5 RBI 2 SB in AAA. We are very high on him and want to try and keep the majority of the team, including the farms system, together. So this is just a possibility.

Cubs Give:
SP Trey McNutt - stats given earlier
SP Paul Maholm OR Randy Wells - Maholm is 1-1 with a 2.79 ERA 17 K's 13 BB's. Wells is 0-0 with a 3.18 ERA 5 K's 2 BB's.
2B Alfredo Amezaga - .162 0 HR 2 RBI in AAA, but do his stats really matter at this point?


Again, we very tentatively offer this trade because we are hesitant to lose Marte, and we MAY be willing to give you Neil Walker if you are interested.

- The Pittsburgh Pirates