Cheating by Bumping up Attributes

[KnickNation17]

So I started my Mets association back in May and since then Sony or whatever has released a lot of roster updates and they have updated some of the Mets players attributes since then. Is it cheating or sketchy if I raise the attributes in my franchise to what they are in the roster update? Keep in mind I'm having having trouble hitting.

[IK720]

Re: Cheating by Bumping up Attributes

I don't think it would be considered "cheating".

First of all it is your franchise so you can do whatever you want. I'm sure some people out there bump up a lot of ratings.

Second if you just started your franchise later the ratings would be up anyway.

[derelictojama]

Re: Cheating by Bumping up Attributes

I always ask myself these kinds of questions, and it can go in circles:

Is it cheating?

I'm playing myself, how can it be cheating?

But who is more important than myself, really, so isn't cheating myself worse than cheating someone else?

I don't know. But really, it's all about how you want to play. Want to go 162-0 and win 20 straight World Series? Cool! Bump everyone to 99s across the board, and good luck! Who is it hurting?

If you want more realism, great, that's there, too, and everything in between. So, while it's worth discussing and thinking about, it really comes down to lines you draw for yourself, with only yourself to be accountable to.

I guess if online leagues ever develop to a worthwhile extent, these questions will become slightly different, but as long as we're all playing our franchises in our own little universes, we are all omnipotent.

[Zumi]

Re: Cheating by Bumping up Attributes

I do a quick boost to guys like Bautista in my franchise, just to be able to keep up with Fielder and Cabrera in year 1. Those guys are absurd!

[shadia147]

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I went with the March 3rd SCEA Spring Training Rosters. Just last night, I "cheated" by boosting Ardonis Chapman's control by one notch. That's all, just one notch. Thats just because I know his control has improved from last year slightly.
I don't know. It kinda corrupts the purity of what I was trying to do. Yet, I really want my Chapman to be as dominant as he is in real life.
I looked at his stats in my Franchise.... 4 innings, 4 strikeouts, 4 walks, and a 4.50 ERA. I wanted something better.

[h4mbon3s]

Re: Cheating by Bumping up Attributes

i did this once with a blue jays franchise and felt dirty after i three-peated lol

[Cavicchi]

Re: Cheating by Bumping up Attributes

If I want to see real baseball, I go to the ballpark or watch baseball on TV. If I want to have fun playing a video baseball game, I play MLB The Show 12.

I am not going to duplicate what is happening in real baseball, so I just play for fun.

[dbacks_Nation]

Re: Cheating by Bumping up Attributes

Does bumping up attributes affect player progression?

I started my franchise a while back and bumped up some players on my team and others to better reflect reality, and some players on my team haven't had +/- values added to them yet, teams that I sim appear to get these values and players I didn't touch do too. I am currently 3 days before the trade deadline.

[Chrisksaint]

Re: Cheating by Bumping up Attributes

Depends on what you bump,etc.

I bumped up Hanley Ramirez's power in my franchise using OSFM, his power in the game didn't reflect his real life power.

[dbacks_Nation]

Re: Cheating by Bumping up Attributes

Depends on what you bump,etc.

I bumped up Hanley Ramirez's power in my franchise using OSFM, his power in the game didn't reflect his real life power.

Mainly bumped Paul Goldschmidt, Trevor Bauer, and Tyler Skaggs for my dbacks.

Amazed how low SCEA had Goldschmidt at, league average at best.

[derelictojama]

Re: Cheating by Bumping up Attributes

Increasing ratings does not necessarily affect potential; the only way it does is if those increased ratings result in hot streaks that lead to progression emails (for more detail on progression, go look at the Draft Discussion and Progression threads... would search for them myself, but, meh, shouldn't be hard to find).

If you increase a player's ratings so that his OVR is ABOVE his POT, then, in my experience, he regresses during/by the end of the season, maybe not all the way, but close. Haven't scientifically tested this, but for instance, if you decide, I'll just pick one I know, to say that a guy like Grady Sizemore, who was a star a couple of years ago but has been hurt and not so great for a while (as far as I know, he's a B/B player, don't think the OSFM rosters messed with that). So, you decide, I love Grady, I want him to be a superstar again; you can bump his ratings up as much as you want, so he's an A OVR; but, I'm pretty sure, he will immediately start regressing, so that by the end of the year or over the off season, he would fall back to a B OVR (or maybe not all the way, but at least some). Now, this does not seem to be tied to aging or coach or training related regression; it seems to be the game's way of keeping OVRs in line with POTs. A good example of this is Brian McCann, who, I think, is an A ovr but a B pot as the season starts in 2012; by 2013, or 2014, there's a good chance he'll fall to B ovr. Mauer is (I think) one of those players, too.

Now again, let me point you to the Progression and Draft threads, where people are actually putting those systems to the test, and trying to figure out what the progression system is, how it works, and how it can be effectively used/manipulated, and those sorts of things. That has always been a bit hazy for me, but now we seem to be getting some answers, or at least drawing some conclusions from experience and evidence.

I myself have gone through and tried to find players that absolutely need to be rerated (since I'm a Braves fan, the ones I always go to are Freddie Freeman, whose defense is WAY underrated; and Heyward, whose defense and speed are underrated; not to mention plenty of people who are overrated!). So I can say this: If a player has an A pot, you can theoretically bump their ratings as far up as you want; they won't progress much after that, and indeed may regress (if you go all 99s on a player who is a low-A potential, he WILL regress; no one, as far as I know, is intended to be an A++ player, all 99s). But if they are an A pot, and you make them A ovr, they should stay at that level until aging and other factors start to take them over the hill.

[dbacks_Nation]

Re: Cheating by Bumping up Attributes

Increasing ratings does not necessarily affect potential; the only way it does is if those increased ratings result in hot streaks that lead to progression emails (for more detail on progression, go look at the Draft Discussion and Progression threads... would search for them myself, but, meh, shouldn't be hard to find).

If you increase a player's ratings so that his OVR is ABOVE his POT, then, in my experience, he regresses during/by the end of the season, maybe not all the way, but close. Haven't scientifically tested this, but for instance, if you decide, I'll just pick one I know, to say that a guy like Grady Sizemore, who was a star a couple of years ago but has been hurt and not so great for a while (as far as I know, he's a B/B player, don't think the OSFM rosters messed with that). So, you decide, I love Grady, I want him to be a superstar again; you can bump his ratings up as much as you want, so he's an A OVR; but, I'm pretty sure, he will immediately start regressing, so that by the end of the year or over the off season, he would fall back to a B OVR (or maybe not all the way, but at least some). Now, this does not seem to be tied to aging or coach or training related regression; it seems to be the game's way of keeping OVRs in line with POTs. A good example of this is Brian McCann, who, I think, is an A ovr but a B pot as the season starts in 2012; by 2013, or 2014, there's a good chance he'll fall to B ovr. Mauer is (I think) one of those players, too.

Now again, let me point you to the Progression and Draft threads, where people are actually putting those systems to the test, and trying to figure out what the progression system is, how it works, and how it can be effectively used/manipulated, and those sorts of things. That has always been a bit hazy for me, but now we seem to be getting some answers, or at least drawing some conclusions from experience and evidence.

I myself have gone through and tried to find players that absolutely need to be rerated (since I'm a Braves fan, the ones I always go to are Freddie Freeman, whose defense is WAY underrated; and Heyward, whose defense and speed are underrated; not to mention plenty of people who are overrated!). So I can say this: If a player has an A pot, you can theoretically bump their ratings as far up as you want; they won't progress much after that, and indeed may regress (if you go all 99s on a player who is a low-A potential, he WILL regress; no one, as far as I know, is intended to be an A++ player, all 99s). But if they are an A pot, and you make them A ovr, they should stay at that level until aging and other factors start to take them over the hill.

Very nice tips and helped me to understand a bit more!

[TGov]

Re: Cheating by Bumping up Attributes

Rather than making a new thread...
Is there any way to know if the SCEA roster have updated players in a roster update???
I know they list added players but a guy like Felix Doubront has pitched wonderfully this season yet his original SCEA attributes are crap... I've bump his ratings up as realistic as I could by using his stats compared to other players/stats/attributes(and I don't feel bad about it because he's been very consistent this season, also I'm midseason and his stats aren't pretty)... But I figured Id ask anyway...

[BSUFAN]

Re: Cheating by Bumping up Attributes

I play this game for the fun of it and what settings/sliders I have on I am comfortable with. It does not distract from the enjoyment of the game for me, I still have to hit, pitch and field, errors occur and games are lost but the fun factor is what I am about, to each his or her own.

[NEOPARADIGM]

Re: Cheating by Bumping up Attributes

I change every rating I don't agree with, simple as that. Nothing to do with "cheating," everything to do with making the ratings match my current understanding of a player's skill-set.

I just can't have Danny Worth be a 68 defender when the only reason he's in the bigs is because he can play defense; I can't hear Rod Allen (Tigers TV color guy) talk about how Quintin Berry is fast as hell every game, see that he's 7 for 7 in stolen base attempts, and check his speed rating in the game and see 72.

Rod also constantly talks up what a great instinctive baserunner Miguel Cabrera is: to see his BR-ability in The Show at 20 (or whatever it was out-of-the-box) causes some straight-up cognitive dissonance.

Likewise, conversely, if I see a guy make two bad throws in a game, time to get in and lower his throwing accuracy from 77 down to 48 (or whatever).

If I watch a guy pitch and take note that his slider is friggin' electric with sick movement, I can't just let the movement rating on that pitch stay at 32 or 43 or whathaveyou, I have to bump it so that it matches up.

Etc.