Will the Show 13 be available via the PS Store?

[DickDalewood]

Re: Will the Show 13 be available via the PS Store?

All this speculation about the size is meaningless to me, and I don't see how downloading would alienate the user base.

I don't know why you two are so set against downloading the game when we are saying, just give us the choice.

Never ONCE did I say I was against it. I'm simply telling you the size of the file and why it most likely won't happen.

Point those butt-hurt feelings elsewhere. Obviously it would be great for some if it could happen. Unfortunately it probably won't, and we're giving you the reasons as to why.

[Cavicchi]

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Never ONCE did I say I was against it. I'm simply telling you the size of the file and why it most likely won't happen.

Point those butt-hurt feelings elsewhere. Obviously it would be great for some if it could happen. Unfortunately it probably won't, and we're giving you the reasons as to why.

I am not really interested in the most likely.... I am more interested in facts, such as something from the developers or other personnel affiliated with the company.

[Cavicchi]

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I have Madden 13 size 5495 MB downloaded from the PSN and it wasn't an issue.

Keep in mind that with 12 you could choose to install 5 or 10Gb extra for the game to run smoother. So that's 10Gb just extra data. So we can only imagine the actual size on the disc.

I also have MLB 2K12 downloaded to my Xbox 360 and it's 5.9 GB--but not available on PSN. In that case, I think it's obvious size had nothing to do with it.

[DickDalewood]

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I am not really interested in the most likely.... I am more interested in facts, such as something from the developers or other personnel affiliated with the company.

Well, unfortunately for you, you're on a public gaming forum and you're going to receive the opinions of others. This is a discussion, which tends to be the nature of threads. We're discussing the reasons as to why it probably won't happen. If you're not interested in the "most likely", well, tough ****.

Of course, there's a lovely little ignore button for you to use if you'd like. Just take a few days and ignore every single person on this site outside of those with purple names (devs). That way, you'll only see "facts".

[Cavicchi]

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Well, unfortunately for you, you're on a public gaming forum and you're going to receive the opinions of others. This is a discussion, which tends to be the nature of threads. We're discussing the reasons as to why it probably won't happen. If you're not interested in the "most likely", well, tough ****.

Of course, there's a lovely little ignore button for you to use if you'd like. Just take a few days and ignore every single person on this site outside of those with purple names (devs). That way, you'll only see "facts".

Alright, I'll put it another way, I think you are wrong, and so I prefer to have someone affiliated with the company tell us the real reason.

I don't see any value having a discussion with someone I think is wrong and won't admit it. In case you missed, I downloaded Madden 13 onto my PS3, and I downloaded MLB 2K12 onto my Xbox 360. While MLB 2K12 is available for download on Xbox, it is not available for download on PS3--but Madden 13 is, and size is not the reason.

[DickDalewood]

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Admit I'm wrong for offering up an opinion?

And again, in case YOU missed it... both Madden and 2K12 are cross-platform games, designed with the DVD format in mind, so compared to The Show, file size DOES matter. This isn't that hard to understand; two games built for DVD vs. a game built for Blu-ray.

The data install of The Show, at 10gb ALONE is as big as either of those games, and that doesn't even put the entire game on your system.

No one is saying that this wouldn't be a nice option, but somehow you seem to confuse that with everyone not wanting it. I'm literally giving you facts to back up my opinion. You're throwing out reason based on an entirely different format.

Don't you think if it was as simple as putting it on PSN and earning more money, SCEA would do it?

If you desperately need a response from a dev that badly, PM russell_scea and see if you can get an answer.

You've gotten plenty if reasoning in here, you just only like the responses that validate your own beliefs.

Good luck with all that

[Cavicchi]

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Admit I'm wrong for offering up an opinion?

And again, in case YOU missed it... both Madden and 2K12 are cross-platform games, designed with the DVD format in mind, so compared to The Show, file size DOES matter. This isn't that hard to understand; two games built for DVD vs. a game built for Blu-ray.

The data install of The Show, at 10gb ALONE is as big as either of those games, and that doesn't even put the entire game on your system.

No one is saying that this wouldn't be a nice option, but somehow you seem to confuse that with everyone not wanting it. I'm literally giving you facts to back up my opinion. You're throwing out reason based on an entirely different format.

Don't you think if it was as simple as putting it on PSN and earning more money, SCEA would do it?

If you desperately need a response from a dev that badly, PM russell_scea and see if you can get an answer.

You've gotten plenty if reasoning in here, you just only like the responses that validate your own beliefs.

Good luck with all that

I disagree with you. I think the two games I mentioned above are not only relevant but also an important analogy. You can download an under 6 GB game from PSN but not the under 6 GB game that can be downloaded from xbox live. Both games are made for PS3 and Xbox 360. One game can be downloaded from both and the other just not from PSN--and size is not the issue.

Until someone affiliated with The Show tells us what the real reason is, the rest is pure speculation. If you like to speculate, go ahead. I don't feel it's a discussion when you want people to accept one version of the story, yours!

[Bobhead]

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Perhaps the PS3 version is formatted differently also, to complement the PS3 engine/blu-ray? I don't know man, I won't pretend you don't bring up a valid point with Madden and 2k... and I simply can't think of any other explanation.

[Cavicchi]

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Perhaps the PS3 version is formatted differently also, to complement the PS3 engine/blu-ray? I don't know man, I won't pretend you don't bring up a valid point with Madden and 2k... and I simply can't think of any other explanation.

I can think of other possible explanations, but they are pure speculation.The only true answer would appear to come from someone affiliated with the game and knows the real answer.

[CubsHOF]

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PSN does charge developers by how much data they use up on the network. So say if The Show is 20-30 GB compared to 6 GB for most games SECA would be paying double or triple the fees to offer up their game on the server making a lower profit margin. You would think Sony would not charge them the fees since they are actually a part of Sony but it doesnt work that way.

[Cavicchi]

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PSN does charge developers by how much data they use up on the network. So say if The Show is 20-30 GB compared to 6 GB for most games SECA would be paying double or triple the fees to offer up their game on the server making a lower profit margin. You would think Sony would not charge them the fees since they are actually a part of Sony but it doesnt work that way.

We don't know the size. It may be 20-30 GB or it may be 10-15 GB. Still, 2K12 is under 6 GB and while available to download from Xbox live, it is not available from PSN.

[MrOldboy]

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We don't know the size. It may be 20-30 GB or it may be 10-15 GB. Still, 2K12 is under 6 GB and while available to download from Xbox live, it is not available from PSN.

Like others have said MLB 12 has a 10gb install and that is not all the game.

I won't say where I found this data, but "versions" of MLB 11 and 12 can be found that are around 19-20+ gb so the estimates are not far off from reality it seems of how large the download would need to be. I have no idea though how well compressed, if they are at all, the PSN downloads are though.

PSN does charge developers by how much data they use up on the network. So say if The Show is 20-30 GB compared to 6 GB for most games SECA would be paying double or triple the fees to offer up their game on the server making a lower profit margin. You would think Sony would not charge them the fees since they are actually a part of Sony but it doesnt work that way.

But The Show is published by SCEA and SCEA is owned by SONY. How would these developer fees affect the cost at all? Does SCEA not fund Sand Diego Studios? Does SONY not fund SCEA? Isn't it just a loop in the end. I'm unsure of how this would work in your reasoning, but I honestly have no idea on the details of PSN and SONY financial wise. Now the bandwith cost is there, but its relatively tiny compared to the cost of printing discs, cases and distribution. Its why SONY published vita games went up on PSN at launch at 10% off since the cost of the via carts made it better for SONY to give an incentive to go digital. Two birds with one stone, no cost going to distributors, retailers and manufacturing as well as no used game resells on the sale.

[CubsHOF]

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We don't know the size. It may be 20-30 GB or it may be 10-15 GB. Still, 2K12 is under 6 GB and while available to download from Xbox live, it is not available from PSN.

We know it's over 20. 2k likely did not put the game on PSN as the sales from it are minimal due to The Show.

[CubsHOF]

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[QUOTE=MrOldboy;2044628466
But The Show is published by SCEA and SCEA is owned by SONY. How would these developer fees affect the cost at all? Does SCEA not fund Sand Diego Studios? Does SONY not fund SCEA? Isn't it just a loop in the end. I'm unsure of how this would work in your reasoning, but I honestly have no idea on the details of PSN and SONY financial wise. Now the bandwith cost is there, but its relatively tiny compared to the cost of printing discs, cases and distribution. Its why SONY published vita games went up on PSN at launch at 10% off since the cost of the via carts made it better for SONY to give an incentive to go digital. Two birds with one stone, no cost going to distributors, retailers and manufacturing as well as no used game resells on the sale.[/QUOTE]

I all ready covered that. Sony may own SECA but they are ran as separate companies. All SECA games are still charged the PSN fees. Yes, it's stupid and a loop in the end, but that's not the way business works SECA has to take off those fees at the end of the year when they report their profits that is all that matters. I did not provide any kind of reasoning or logic, just stated how the system works. Yes, the bandwidth cost overall is small and they do not have to give retailers their cut but PSN takes their cut instead and charges bandwidth fees that far exceed that actual cost of providing the service.

[Cavicchi]

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We know it's over 20. 2k likely did not put the game on PSN as the sales from it are minimal due to The Show.

Maybe, and maybe not. They don't have to worry about competition on PSN because The Show isn't there.