Has anything been mentioned about the alternating rallies and runs in the Show 13?

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  • nomo17k
    Permanently Banned
    • Feb 2011
    • 5735

    #31
    Re: Has anything been mentioned about the alternating rallies and runs in the Show 13

    The difficulty of discussing this topic (late inning rallies) is that there are several factors that lead some to feel that things are somehow artificially scripted... so, although the feeling may be true, people tend not to attribute the cause of that feeling to the true culprit.

    ... and the thread like this usually doesn't go anywhere since one or two guys come in and end up stubbornly insisting on the existence of comeback code. It doesn't exist!!

    I think the most reasonable way to see the issue is to go back to the threads that Bobhead linked to and remember what Brian@SCEA wrote about the pitcher effectiveness in the game... confidence, stamina, all that stuff.

    While late inning rally is not a big issue on my own games (perhaps felt fishy only about 5 games out of 162 games, playing every inning in MLB 11), I have seen some evidence of the culprit of the issue in scoring pattern in CPU vs CPU games...

    http://www.operationsports.com/nomo1...ning-comeback/

    Basically pitchers just coming in in a game or those with low energy *can* perform at a significantly lower level than he's capable of when he's pitching normally. 1st inning when the starter needs to establish himself, 6 - 7th inning when the starter leaves due to high pitch count (low energy), and when the closer comes in. Those are times that can be difficult to manage pitchers both for user and CPU.
    The Show CPU vs. CPU game stats: 2018,17,16,15,14,13,12,11

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    • Taffin
      Rookie
      • Apr 2010
      • 77

      #32
      Re: Has anything been mentioned about the alternating rallies and runs in the Show 13

      Originally posted by nomo17k
      The difficulty of discussing this topic (late inning rallies) is that there are several factors that lead some to feel that things are somehow artificially scripted... so, although the feeling may be true, people tend not to attribute the cause of that feeling to the true culprit.

      ... and the thread like this usually doesn't go anywhere since one or two guys come in and end up stubbornly insisting on the existence of comeback code. It doesn't exist!!

      I think the most reasonable way to see the issue is to go back to the threads that Bobhead linked to and remember what Brian@SCEA wrote about the pitcher effectiveness in the game... confidence, stamina, all that stuff.

      While late inning rally is not a big issue on my own games (perhaps felt fishy only about 5 games out of 162 games, playing every inning in MLB 11), I have seen some evidence of the culprit of the issue in scoring pattern in CPU vs CPU games...

      http://www.operationsports.com/nomo1...ning-comeback/

      Basically pitchers just coming in in a game or those with low energy *can* perform at a significantly lower level than he's capable of when he's pitching normally. 1st inning when the starter needs to establish himself, 6 - 7th inning when the starter leaves due to high pitch count (low energy), and when the closer comes in. Those are times that can be difficult to manage pitchers both for user and CPU.

      Your use of reason and punctuation has no place in this discussion...

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      • nomo17k
        Permanently Banned
        • Feb 2011
        • 5735

        #33
        Re: Has anything been mentioned about the alternating rallies and runs in the Show 13

        Originally posted by Taffin
        Your use of reason and punctuation has no place in this discussion...
        Perhaps, but there has been a couple decent discussion on the issues surrounding the confidence system in the past, and I personal think they are related to an extent. But at least we have to agree that the game is not scripted though, to have any fruitful discussion...

        Though I don't think is as serious as some people like the OP make it to be, we cannot also deny that a significant fraction of people (I would not say a majority though) do seem to feel the late-inning events are scripted in one way or another... we see these complaints in other forums, Amazon reviews, here in this forum. Heck, I even read Japanese Amazon reviews (some people import the game to play there), and some seem to think scripted events are in the game in late innings... the language doesn't translate, but the feeling can...
        The Show CPU vs. CPU game stats: 2018,17,16,15,14,13,12,11

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        • pistolpete
          MVP
          • Jun 2004
          • 1816

          #34
          Re: Has anything been mentioned about the alternating rallies and runs in the Show 13

          I've read on Twitter the comeback code has actually been tweaked to engage as early as the third inning this season. They really want to ensure no lead is insurmountable.

          Or..........

          Learn to mix up your pitches and give batters different looks. The Show isn't as explicit as 2k is with this, but it's still necessary.

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          • BobSacamano
            Rookie
            • Feb 2010
            • 324

            #35
            Re: Has anything been mentioned about the alternating rallies and runs in the Show 13

            The confidence system needs work, IMO. Relievers often come in with confidence bars halfway full, which means that they will be an adventure.

            I hate that I can pretty much tell you exactly how the game will go based on that little blue bar. I'd love a confidence sensitivity slider, if such a thing were possible.

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            • jpup
              MVP
              • Feb 2003
              • 4571

              #36
              Re: Has anything been mentioned about the alternating rallies and runs in the Show 13

              They really need to address the pitcher confidence issue. I also think that stamina for pitchers and everyday players is a big problem. Unless you play the guy at DH, you can't play anyone everyday. Most guys need a day off per week. My other big issue is that hitters are way too streaky, but that part is probably more realistic.

              I have played every iteration of this game and there is something to the OP statement. I don't really think the games are scripted, but there is something there related to confidence, stamina, and hot and cold streaks. I'm using the Angels and have continuously hit balls showing superb contact and good timing that don't fall in very often. It also seems that player happiness has something to do with this.

              I don't know the answer but there is something there. I don't know if it's "rubber band AI" or a mix of those things mentioned above. The game has always played a ton different in exhibition than it does in season mode.

              I have played thousands of games of "The Show" over the years and to deny that these things effect the outcome is not being honest. I also don't know anyone that really is denying that. So, I'll quit talking in circles.
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              • metsfan4life1
                Pro
                • Jan 2012
                • 956

                #37
                Re: Has anything been mentioned about the alternating rallies and runs in the Show 13

                It's all in yu guys head.
                Harvey's Better

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                • I3RIS3H
                  Pro
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 639

                  #38
                  Re: Has anything been mentioned about the alternating rallies and runs in the Show 13

                  Personally I don't believe there is any major issues with this. Maybe an adjustment to pitcher confidence would solve it.
                  I believe that, especially in this game, you earn wins and careless pitches will cost you big time.
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                  • OUSOONERS#1
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 430

                    #39
                    Re: Has anything been mentioned about the alternating rallies and runs in the Show 13

                    Careless pitching huh ok whatever u can put the pitch wherever u want the cpu will foul it off till he works the count into a walk or he gets a hit n it doesn't matter what pitcher u use what settings u use or what level u play on but im done complaining about it I know how it plays n will jus have to accept it if I want to play franchise but RTTS is the only reason I buy this game anymore.

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                    • bp4baseball
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 1315

                      #40
                      Re: Has anything been mentioned about the alternating rallies and runs in the Show 13

                      Originally posted by OUSOONERS#1
                      Careless pitching huh ok whatever u can put the pitch wherever u want the cpu will foul it off till he works the count into a walk or he gets a hit n it doesn't matter what pitcher u use what settings u use or what level u play on but im done complaining about it I know how it plays n will jus have to accept it if I want to play franchise but RTTS is the only reason I buy this game anymore.
                      If only the developers knew the game like you did...
                      In all seriousness, I think what would be more productive is to examine other factors in the game such as fatigue, clutch factor, etc. that may be leading to a "comeback code". It's not hardcoded in the game, whether you want to believe it or not, but maybe there are some adverse side effects from other parts of the game (not saying there are, just saying that's what everyone with this problem should be focused on).
                      "Life is like baseball, it's the number of times you arrive home safely that counts"

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                      • kehlis
                        Moderator
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 27738

                        #41
                        Re: Has anything been mentioned about the alternating rallies and runs in the Show 13

                        Sorry but this thread is going nowhere.

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