MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

[MLB Bob]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

I don't really understand the point you're trying to make here... I didn't say average was derived from contact, I said the contact rating in-game is derived from the player's average in real life, those are two separate things. Contact% is more in tune with the vision rating anyway, try giving a player low contact and high vision (and vice versa) and see what happens.

Contact% and batting average have little to no correlation. Miguel Cabrera ranked 32nd in the AL in contact%, yet he was 1st in BA and most likely will have contact ratings in the 90's...

Ya sorry I reversed those in my original post, my bad, my point is that contact is more than a players real avg. And in my algorithm I guess I weight different things, and it plays well. And I thought K% and BB% were more relevant to discipline and vision..Im sure you're right that contact is more based on AVG.

[seanjeezy]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

Ya sorry I reversed those in my original post, my bad, my point is that contact is more than a players real avg. And in my algorithm I guess I weight different things, and it plays well. And I thought K% and BB% were more relevant to discipline and vision..Im sure you're right that contact is more based on AVG.

Yeah I just saw your edit, I personally use Bahnzo's calc (which is probably outdated now...) and it was a straight plug and chug of the usual stats. Average is the main source, but I believe the variability we see year to year in average (I think its +/- 20 points or so) comes from discipline and vision.

[CMH]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

Ah, guys getting worked up about ratings. It's that time of the year.

I will never understand it. So long as the guy performs like he should, why does it matter what his rating is?

[merslinger]

Can anyone tell me if individual pitches progress and regress this year. Pitchers do get better at certain pitches and sometimes get to old to throw some and are forced to change. I think it would be realalistic

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

Ah, guys getting worked up about ratings. It's that time of the year.

I will never understand it. So long as the guy performs like he should, why does it matter what his rating is?

Because if Joe Blanton's control rating isn't exactly 4 points better than CC Sabathia's control rating then everything is out of wack!

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[CubsHOF]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

Wow awesome way to make your point, that swayed my opinion...thumbs up Im glad you set us all straight.

It might be that in the Algorithm takes into account a lot of things, like Pujols much better K% and typically better power numbers, less games missed, better ISO. other than one great year, Pujols matched or did better than Votto over the last 3 years, and that was 2010...there are legitimate reasons...and hey feel free to rerate your favorite guy to what you want...

Just checking the stats I checked Pujols contact% compared to Votto...since they use contact as a rating and not AVG..Pujols blows Votto away..Guessing 1 basemen are ranked by Power first, other batting stats second with durability, arm and defense being last...Votto maybe becoming the better all round player but the stuff that is being considered more heavily, Pujols pretty much wins it..

Yeah, but at the end of the day something is wrong with the overall stats as the components are not adding up correctly. If we look at the last three years which The Show is said to weigh stats for the last three years, yet over the last three years Votto's WAR has made him a considerably more valuable player than Pujols. Somewhere they are making judgement calls about what makes a valuable first basemen that doesn't jive with the actual weight those components have in the real life game.

[MLB Bob]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

Yeah, but at the end of the day something is wrong with the overall stats as the components are not adding up correctly. If we look at the last three years which The Show is said to weigh stats for the last three years, yet over the last three years Votto's WAR has made him a considerably more valuable player than Pujols. Somewhere they are making judgement calls about what makes a valuable first basemen that doesn't jive with the actual weight those components have in the real life game.

Baseball America has a chart in the front of their prospect book that scea probably used as a bit of a guide. It ranks the tools by importance by position. And WAR is probably not even looked at. Although I use many sabre stats, WAR is not the definitive stat or even A definitive stat. Looking at the 2 players stats its not that hard to figure out what they use its just a question of weights placed on each stat.

I'm almost certain WAR has very little relation to SCEA ratings

[nomo17k]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

I didn't explicitly ask the question at the CD event so I don't have an answer for this (I should've definitely asked...), but it's entirely possible that Votto was either underrated because of having less playing opportunities in 2012 (the year the most heavily weighted in rating calculation)... Ratings are mostly based off of last 3-year stats (recent year weighted more), but in those cases that take more care, like rookies who don't have enough playing times, missed opportunities due to injuries, SCEA doesn't necessarily follow cut-and-dry formula to come up with ratings.

Also, it's entirely possible that 1B as a power position OVR favors players with more power (i.e., HR here).

There's nothing really wrong with how those are calculated... SCEA just needs to standardize the method and no evaluation method is perfect... in some metrics certain players are overrated, while they become underrated by others... it's just the nature of difficulty in doing player evaluation itself. (that's another reason why true player attributes in game should not be exposed, to simulate how difficult it is to know a person exactly... but I digress, I just want this game to be very realistic too much, hahaha)

[hysteria499]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

in my opinion i would of only made Cabrera a 99 and maybe a couple others. some of the guys you had up there havnt played a full season to be 99's though have the potential

[brewersfan84]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

For everyone complaining about the ratings, SHUT UP ALREADY!! Thank you Ramone, for sharing this with us, it's too bad people can't handle information in the same way you gave it out, with respect and decency!

[CMH]

For everyone complaining about the ratings, SHUT UP ALREADY!! Thank you Ramone, for sharing this with us, it's too bad people can't handle information in the same way you gave it out, with respect and decency!

I can tell you right now this is not how to get it done.

Telling people to shut up doesn't provide the effect you might be desiring.


Sent from my mobile device.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

There will be a post with images about this later, but I figured a little teaser never hurt anyone.

If you didn't know, we changed the way we rate players and every position weigh different attributes differently. Before the change the game had 44 players rated 99 or higher. After the change there are 17, here is a little taste.

In no particular order.

• T.Tulowitzki 99
• A.Pujols 99
• R.Braun 99
• J.Hamilton 99
• M.Cabrera 99
• C.Kimbrel 99
• C.Kershaw 99
• A.Chapman 99
• S.Strasburg 99
• F.Hernandez 99
• J.Verlander 99
• B.Posey 99
• M.Kemp 99
• R.Cano 99
• A.McCutchen 99
• M.Trout 99
• C.Gonzalez 99

J.Votto just missed the cut at a 98.

Second Baseman Top 5

• Robinson Cano 99
• Dustin Pedroia 98
• Ian Kinsler 95
• Brandon Phillips 93
• Jose Altuve 90

so how about those images???

[Perfect Zero]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

This whole conversation is why I've always been for hiding the numbers.

[Hayman19]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

I never understood the issue with ratings in a game that lets you fully edit any players individual ratings. Simple, if you do not agree, just edit them. The only time it would really be an issue is online but they arent that off to be making a big deal about.

[royals852]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

Really hope Hosmer is rated to low. If he is i hope his potential is an A. Same for Alex Gordon. He was only a B last year i think and after two straight gold gloves and good hitting years he finally looks like the player he was projected to be.