Weird potentials

[yanksdaniel99]

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Got it. Well that kind of sucks if thats how it works. So with so many guys having A potential, do you think the chance of guys being rated in the high 90's in say year 4 will increase to what it is right now???

My biggest concern is there will be a lot more guys rated in the High 90's then need be. Which now leads to guys in the 80's becoming bench bats, relievers etc. when they are above average guys that should be starting.

Won't know if thats the case until I get the game and we run sims but right now, it could potentially be a HUGE issue, which is why I would like it fxed/changed so we don't even have to worry about it.

[ill23matic]

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The assessment of the ratings in the first post made me laugh

[zack4070]

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My biggest concern is there will be a lot more guys rated in the High 90's then need be. Which now leads to guys in the 80's becoming bench bats, relievers etc. when they are above average guys that should be starting.

Won't know if thats the case until I get the game and we run sims but right now, it could potentially be a HUGE issue, which is why I would like it fxed/changed so we don't even have to worry about it.

Yeah that sounds like a huge worry that could kill really good sliders on the game. I already think the ratings for some of these dudes are bogus. But then again Im used to EA ratings where only guys like Brady and Rodgers are 99's.

But its also the overall of each guy. When looking at Darwin Barney, based on his offensive lack he should be like a 68 but because he won the Gold Glove at 2B last season he gets a 82! I get that but then again guys like CarGon and Beltran being rated so high is laughable. Wish we could edit potential too.

[JustinVerlander35]

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They aren't changing it's a matter of opinion there is no right or wrong answer. We aren't Bugger King.

This. Was about to say the same exact thing.

[yanksdaniel99]

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This. Was about to say the same exact thing.

A lot of them are toss up, which is fine, not everything needs to be changed.

At the same time a ton are bizarre and not justifiable at all.

[Officerbill8]

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Yeah that sounds like a huge worry that could kill really good sliders on the game. I already think the ratings for some of these dudes are bogus. But then again Im used to EA ratings where only guys like Brady and Rodgers are 99's.

But its also the overall of each guy. When looking at Darwin Barney, based on his offensive lack he should be like a 68 but because he won the Gold Glove at 2B last season he gets a 82! I get that but then again guys like CarGon and Beltran being rated so high is laughable. Wish we could edit potential too.

If you look at Carlos Gonzalez...

I don't understand why everyone hates him. Should he be a 99 overall? I think so. But the guy has 2 things going against him. 1. He gets hurt a lot and 2. He plays at Coors Field...

I think this is why everyone hates him. He's a darn fine player. Last 3 years he has averaged roughly a .310+ BA, 95-100 runs, 25-30 homers, 95-100 rbis and 20+ stolen bases each season. All this while missing about 30 games a season. IMPRESSIVE.

Players like this don't grow on trees. They are extremely rare. Who else other than Gonzalez can put up those numbers in 2013? The list is VERY tiny. Maybe Mike Trout, Mccutchen, and Ryan Braun. So basically 4 out of 400 batters in MLB. If that isn't elite and doesn't warrant a 99 overall...than what does?

It's not his choice to play at Coors Field. It is what it is.

There's a reason why MLB the Show has a "durability" attribute. For all you Cargo haters just put his durability around 80 and go on your merry way. My goodness.

[TGov]

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I love having potentials but I wish they weren't the biggest thing that says what a player will most likely be... You look at a guy like Jose Bautista and he was just a utility player then had a breakout year and he's a superstar who's on video game covers...
I'd like players performances to pave their path for the next season... the only problem is that their would be way too many superstars... there's already some-odd superstars right now and any breakout player would be considered a potential superstar...
It's a tough median to find... you want it realistic but how can you ever know what the future will hold... maybe half of today's superstars will stink this year, maybe guys like Jose Tabata and Cameron Maybin will have MVP-like years? Unlikely, yes, but how can you ever know until it happens...
Also, if you have the games potentials as last year, your playing in the past... so its a tough thing to do, assuming the next years' performances but I think the game creators do a fantastic job... I just wish we could edit potential, then everyone would be happy...

[zack4070]

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If you look at Carlos Gonzalez...

I don't understand why everyone hates him. Should he be a 99 overall? I think so. But the guy has 2 things going against him. 1. He gets hurt a lot and 2. He plays at Coors Field...

I think this is why everyone hates him. He's a darn fine player. Last 3 years he has averaged roughly a .310+ BA, 95-100 runs, 25-30 homers, 95-100 rbis and 20+ stolen bases each season. All this while missing about 30 games a season. IMPRESSIVE.

Players like this don't grow on trees. They are extremely rare. Who else other than Gonzalez can put up those numbers in 2013? The list is VERY tiny. Maybe Mike Trout, Mccutchen, and Ryan Braun. So basically 4 out of 400 batters in MLB. If that isn't elite and doesn't warrant a 99 overall...than what does?

It's not his choice to play at Coors Field. It is what it is.

There's a reason why MLB the Show has a "durability" attribute. For all you Cargo haters just put his durability around 80 and go on your merry way. My goodness.

This has nothing to do with "hating" Carlos Gonzalez but c'mon man unless you are a Rockies fan or a family member of CarGon, you cant say hes a 99? Ill give it up for CarGon, hes good but 96-97 seems a bit more like it.

[Officerbill8]

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This has nothing to do with "hating" Carlos Gonzalez but c'mon man unless you are a Rockies fan or a family member of CarGon, you cant say hes a 99? Ill give it up for CarGon, hes good but 96-97 seems a bit more like it.

He's close. I mean he's not a slam dunk 99 like Ryan Braun.

However, I like seeing these kind of players being 99 overall.

Reason being...Nate Mcclouth is a 63 overall. If you put Cargo at 96, and leave Mcclouth at 63....I don't think that's a big enough disparity between the two. (I'd like to see Cargo at 99 and Mcclouth at 53 to be honest. I think the disparity should be GIGANTIC between a superstar and a below average player)

I'm not trying to get in a pi**ing contest. There's no right answer to this. I just kind of went on a rant because MANY MANY MANY people on these forums think that Cargo is a bum. I don't really get it. Look at the stats. They are flat out ridiculous. If he could ever somehow stay healthy for 150+ games in a season he's a slam dunk top 3 finisher in the MVP.

[nomo17k]

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If you look at Carlos Gonzalez...

I don't understand why everyone hates him. Should he be a 99 overall? I think so. But the guy has 2 things going against him. 1. He gets hurt a lot and 2. He plays at Coors Field...

I think this is why everyone hates him. He's a darn fine player. Last 3 years he has averaged roughly a .310+ BA, 95-100 runs, 25-30 homers, 95-100 rbis and 20+ stolen bases each season. All this while missing about 30 games a season. IMPRESSIVE.

Players like this don't grow on trees. They are extremely rare. Who else other than Gonzalez can put up those numbers in 2013? The list is VERY tiny. Maybe Mike Trout, Mccutchen, and Ryan Braun. So basically 4 out of 400 batters in MLB. If that isn't elite and doesn't warrant a 99 overall...than what does?

It's not his choice to play at Coors Field. It is what it is.

There's a reason why MLB the Show has a "durability" attribute. For all you Cargo haters just put his durability around 80 and go on your merry way. My goodness.

If he isn't playing for the Rockies (at Coors), CarGo is projected by baseball-reference to hit like this:

AB 593 R 95 H 170 2B 34 3B 6 HR 26 RBI 88 SB 22 BB 48 SO 141 BA .286 OBP .341 SLG .495

While decent, it's not quite elite....

I'm surprised even with humidor Coors is still such a hitter's paradise.

[DAWNofALDUIN]

This has nothing to do with "hating" Carlos Gonzalez but c'mon man unless you are a Rockies fan or a family member of CarGon, you cant say hes a 99? Ill give it up for CarGon, hes good but 96-97 seems a bit more like it.

What's the knock on Coors Field? You make it sound as though its not a hitters ballpark. Players love hitting in Coors Field because of the less "friction force" in the air.


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[Nooooovak]

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But the guy has 2 things going against him. 1. He gets hurt a lot and 2. He plays at Coors Field...

3. He strikes out a ton
4. He plays average defense (please do not bring up his Gold Glove)

CarGo is a very good player, but the 97-99 range should be reserved for the elites, and he still has a little ways to go before he gets there. I won't put a specific number on what his overall should be, because I've yet to see his individual ratings, but he should be a small step under the elites.

[Officerbill8]

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If he isn't playing for the Rockies (at Coors), CarGo is projected by baseball-reference to hit like this:

AB 593 R 95 H 170 2B 34 3B 6 HR 26 RBI 88 SB 22 BB 48 SO 141 BA .286 OBP .341 SLG .495

While decent, it's not quite elite....

I'm surprised even with humidor Coors is still such a hitter's paradise.

It's not his fault he plays at Coors. That's like saying Chase Headley would have batted 40 points higher last year and had 40 homers if he didn't play half his games at Petco Park with the "marine layer"....there's no guarantee that he would have...

Some things are just a given in baseball year to year...

Red Sox are always going to be near the lead in doubles because of the green monster, lefties at yankee stadium are going to be hitting a ton of homers cause of the jetstream/short porch, etc, etc, etc...

It is what it is.

[yanksdaniel99]

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I love having potentials but I wish they weren't the biggest thing that says what a player will most likely be... You look at a guy like Jose Bautista and he was just a utility player then had a breakout year and he's a superstar who's on video game covers...
I'd like players performances to pave their path for the next season... the only problem is that their would be way too many superstars... there's already some-odd superstars right now and any breakout player would be considered a potential superstar...
It's a tough median to find... you want it realistic but how can you ever know what the future will hold... maybe half of today's superstars will stink this year, maybe guys like Jose Tabata and Cameron Maybin will have MVP-like years? Unlikely, yes, but how can you ever know until it happens...
Also, if you have the games potentials as last year, your playing in the past... so its a tough thing to do, assuming the next years' performances but I think the game creators do a fantastic job... I just wish we could edit potential, then everyone would be happy...

totally agree with what you mean, but its a cut and dry thing. Wish it was more dynamic.

[Officerbill8]

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3. He strikes out a ton
4. He plays average defense (please do not bring up his Gold Glove)

CarGo is a very good player, but the 97-99 range should be reserved for the elites, and he still has a little ways to go before he gets there. I won't put a specific number on what his overall should be, because I've yet to see his individual ratings, but he should be a small step under the elites.

Yes. Cargo strikes out a ton. But his .370 obp the past 3 seasons (20th best) more than makes up for it...

Let's dismiss Mike Trout here (I need more than 1 season)...

with that said....EVERY elite player even has their faults...it's not like there is a perfect player...

Cabrera can't run and can't field, Pujols can't run anymore, Cano can't run, etc, etc, etc.

And don't give me his WAR stats. If those stats meant anything Trout would have won the MVP this past season.