2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[catch212]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

What about Alberquerque (spelling) from the Tigers...looks like they could use a closer

He'd probably be a decent option. I know that he has good stuff.

I'd look for somebody to pair him with, though.

[AMBrodie]

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Hello,

I have my Yanks franchise going on and I would be interested in trading Cano. I want to pick up some prospects. I do need some to take on Cano's role somewhat. Which team can take on the salary and also provide an A rated SS and possibly an A or high B pitcher...

Thank you in advance

[CKW11]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Hello,

I have my Yanks franchise going on and I would be interested in trading Cano. I want to pick up some prospects. I do need some to take on Cano's role somewhat. Which team can take on the salary and also provide an A rated SS and possibly an A or high B pitcher...

Thank you in advance

Cubs or Dodgers?

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Hello,

I have my Yanks franchise going on and I would be interested in trading Cano. I want to pick up some prospects. I do need some to take on Cano's role somewhat. Which team can take on the salary and also provide an A rated SS and possibly an A or high B pitcher...

Thank you in advance

What's Cano's contract like in game?

[HozAndMoose]

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In my 3rd year of my franchise. Just got this offer from the nats. Royals give up 1B Billy Butler (29 A) and Josh Bell (22 A, 67 OVR, Originally from the Pirates organization i believe). Nats Give up SP Jordan Zimmerman, RP Nate Jones, and SS Ian Desmond. Would you say this is a fair trade? Nats are giving up 3 major league players to my one. So im not sure. I could also take out Ian Desmond since Alcides Escobar is the better SS.

Went ahead with the trade. 3 games later Alex Gordon broke his shin
Desmond moves to SS and Escobar to LF

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Went ahead with the trade. 3 games later Alex Gordon broke his shin
Desmond moves to SS and Escobar to LF

Bright side is you got the upper hand in that deal by far. Desmond ~ Butler. Zimmermann >> anything else in the deal.

[AMBrodie]

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What's Cano's contract like in game?

This is the last year on his contract.

[AC]

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Desmond ~ Butler.

I take great issue. I know, positional adjustment, yeah, yeah. But, a lot of strikeouts, not a lot of walks, a stupid ISO jump, and a career defensive year isn't awe inspiring for sustainability. Also, this LOL-worthy jump;

2010 HR/FB: 7.7
2011 HR/FB: 6.0
2012 HR/FB: 18.2

Not screaming sustainable.

This is the last year on his contract.

Cano for Zach Lee sounds fine.

[Pesan915]

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That's why you should come here with all of your trades BEFORE you pull the trigger. We give realism, fairness, as well as bias! (On that last part, it's occasional...


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Thanks bud... I will be starting a new franchise once the V2 rosters are out. Debating between Angels, Houston or Braves. Should be fun!

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I take great issue. I know, positional adjustment, yeah, yeah. But, a lot of strikeouts, not a lot of walks, a stupid ISO jump, and a career defensive year isn't awe inspiring for sustainability. Also, this LOL-worthy jump;

2010 HR/FB: 7.7
2011 HR/FB: 6.0
2012 HR/FB: 18.2

Not screaming sustainable.

Maybe so, but Desmond is entering his prime...it's a bit hard to extrapolate his first two years (pre-prime) to the rest of his career. He may ultimately settle down around 12-15% HR/FB, which is still very good for a SS.

And I wouldn't yadda yadda away the positional adjustment there...for a SS over a DH this is MASSIVE. I think 2013 will be a very interersting year in seeing what the "real" Ian Desmond line will look like however.

This is before considering that Jordan Zimmermann (a top 25 pitcher in the NL imo) was also acquired in that deal.

[AC]

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Maybe so, but Desmond is entering his prime...it's a bit hard to extrapolate his first two years (pre-prime) to the rest of his career. He may ultimately settle down around 12-15% HR/FB, which is still very good for a SS.

And I wouldn't yadda yadda away the positional adjustment there...for a SS over a DH this is MASSIVE. I think 2013 will be a very interersting year in seeing what the "real" Ian Desmond line will look like however.

This is before considering that Jordan Zimmermann (a top 25 pitcher in the NL imo) was also acquired in that deal.

Well if we're gonna extrapolate any of these years, why not choose the stabler 6-7, which has happened twice, over the one year aberration?

If Desmond regresses (which, with his peripherals, is possible), then I don't think the adjustment will save him.

I agree the deal was unfair, I just took issue with you saying that Billy Butler is about equal to a player I view as the J.P. Arencibia of shortstops.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Well if we're gonna extrapolate any of these years, why not choose the stabler 6-7, which has happened twice, over the one year aberration?

If Desmond regresses (which, with his peripherals, is possible), then I don't think the adjustment will save him.

I agree the deal was unfair, I just took issue with you saying that Billy Butler is about equal to a player I view as the J.P. Arencibia of shortstops.

I think that's a bit harsh, lol. Arencibia of shortstops? For a guy who was probably the best all around SS in the league last year? For me Jhonny Peralta or maybe J.J. Hardy would be better SS Arencibias, if that's all we can do for comparisons.

As for the HR/FB, it's hard to say. Expanding it to include his 2009 and 2013 we get:

2009 -- 17.4% (89 PA)
2010 -- 7.7% (574 PA)
2011 -- 6.0% (639 PA)
2012 -- 18.2% (547 PA)
2013 -- 14.3% (24 PA)

So, we have 660 PA that say it's in the 14-18% range and we have 1186 PA that say it's between 6-8%. Not really a huge statistical advantage in 1186 PA over 660 PA (less than 2:1). Both samples are probably too small to draw sweeping conclusions (since the data is so jumpy). Since he's maturing and ostensibly getting better with more experience, I'd say the true value will end up trending toward the 18% number, even if it only gets to 12-13%.

But I can agree to agree with you that getting Desmond and Zimmermann for Butler would be a win.

[AC]

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I think that's a bit harsh, lol. Arencibia of shortstops? For a guy who was probably the best all around SS in the league last year? For me Jhonny Peralta or maybe J.J. Hardy would be better SS Arencibias, if that's all we can do for comparisons.

That came off too harshly. I meant, low BB%, high K%, lots 'o #DINGERZ, you know what I mean? I don't really like that kinda player.

As for the HR/FB, it's hard to say. Expanding it to include his 2009 and 2013 we get:

2009 -- 17.4% (89 PA)
2010 -- 7.7% (574 PA)
2011 -- 6.0% (639 PA)
2012 -- 18.2% (547 PA)
2013 -- 14.3% (24 PA)

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So, we have 660 PA that say it's in the 14-18% range and we have 1186 PA that say it's between 6-8%. Not really a huge statistical advantage in 1186 PA over 660 PA (less than 2:1). Both samples are probably too small to draw sweeping conclusions (since the data is so jumpy). Since he's maturing and ostensibly getting better with more experience, I'd say the true value will end up trending toward the 18% number, even if it only gets to 12-13%.

I read somewhere it takes like 7 years for SP BABIP to stabilize lol. It probably takes a while for this to stabilize as well, but after an abberation like that... you never know, to be honest, and saying that his value is like Butler's, I just don't agree with.

[CameRoN0407]

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Cano for Zach Lee sounds fine.

Wuuut? I don't think that a high B would do it even for the Yankees. Even though its the last year of his contract, it should be at least an A IMO. (Even if I don't like the Skanks)

[AC]

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Wuuut? I don't think that a high B would do it even for the Yankees. Even though its the last year of his contract, it should be at least an A IMO. (Even if I don't like the Skanks)

Zach Lee's a high B? What kind of disgrace is this? He should be like a tier 5 A lol.