2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[WaitTilNextYear]

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You mean on top of what was already in the deal ? That's just seems like a lot, no ?

But I wouldn't do it, personally. CarGo is the reason why I picked the Rockies for my franchise, so he's pretty much untouchable. Pomeranz is our future #1 on the mound...can't trade him for Maurer, who I originally wanted so that I could have a solid RH/LH 1-2 punch. But I still have Pomeranz above him...

Parker was in at some point, because he seemed like a better fit for the Mariners than Trevor Story. But I can't trade both (Story to Minny to get Arcia and Vargas, and put these two and Parker in the Seattle deal).

The main reason I targeted Seattle is because I need a younger 1B, and Smoak's value on the chart seemed reasonable for what I see of him in the game. Now I know I added Maurer and Capps (which I realize now I might have under-estimated the value) but if I have to trade someone like Gonzalez, or trade 2 of my Top-5 prospects + other B's...then I'm gonna have to pass.

Maybe I shouldn't try to fix everything with just one trade.

No no...I was just seeing who you'd trade period. Someone suggested Fowler and you said no, so I wanted to get an idea of who your untouchables were. Personally imo CarGo could get you more than Smoak/Maurer/Capps by himself, so I wasn't saying in addition to, but maybe in place of. None of those guys you are going for are anywhere close to untouchable.

My angle was I thought your offer was close, but just trying to see if we could fine tune it so all the talking heads (or some) here might agree. Ultimately you decide though.

But, yes a 1B prospect and/or a C prospect and blue chip OF prospect would be a good base for your trade. So one of Blackmon/Ortega/Young Jr + Arcia/Parker + C prospect (I think you have a couple of options here) + 1B prospect would be pretty fair. I might actually be tempted to include a pitcher out of the pool of Friedrich/Nicasio/Chacin/Cabrera/Matzek rather than both a C and a 1B prospect.

Does:

SEA gets: Blackmon + Parker/Arcia + Will Swanner + Tyler Matzek
COL gets: Maurer + Capps + Smoak + Hector Noesi

work for you?

The idea with Swanner is he's a bit of a tweener in that he's a catcher now, but he profiles also at 1B and should develop the power to stay there, so he's different than Marder, who the M's already have and is more of a true catcher with less bat.

EDIT: I think sending Chacin instead of Matzek would improve on this...

[CardsFan93]

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I have a hard time sticking to a franchise but I think I will stay with my newly created Pirates rebuilding 'chise. Ok I am trying to pick up Stephen Drew from Boston. I need a stop gap until Hanson is ready. So I give Tony Sanchez and Alex Presley for him. Is that fair?

[AC]

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SEA gets: Blackmon + Parker/Arcia + Will Swanner + Tyler Matzek
COL gets: Maurer + Capps + Smoak + Hector Noesi

Maurer is waaaaay better than any of the guys in that deal.

[KomicJ]

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But, yes a 1B prospect and/or a C prospect and blue chip OF prospect would be a good base for your trade. So one of Blackmon/Ortega/Young Jr + Arcia/Parker + C prospect (I think you have a couple of options here) + 1B prospect would be pretty fair.

Okay, but that's what my last offer was. Blackmon + Arcia + Rodriguez + Vargas. So what I get is Rodriguez and Vargas aren't the type of C/1B that would interest you, right ?

I might actually be tempted to include a pitcher out of the pool of Friedrich/Nicasio/Chacin/Cabrera/Matzek rather than both a C and a 1B prospect.

Now that's something I could and probably would be willing to do. Hell, I'd be willing to add a pitcher to the already existing offer, without taking the C and 1B out. Out of those five, I'd say Cabrera would most likely be the most available, with Friedrich second...as I like Matzek a lot, and the other two are currently in my MLB rotation. But like I said before, I'd also be willing to consider Tyler Chatwood, Chad Bettis, Tyler Anderson or Eddie Butler.

Does:

SEA gets: Blackmon + Parker/Arcia + Will Swanner + Tyler Matzek
COL gets: Maurer + Capps + Smoak + Hector Noesi

work for you?

The idea with Swanner is he's a bit of a tweener in that he's a catcher now, but he profiles also at 1B and should develop the power to stay there, so he's different than Marder, who the M's already have and is more of a true catcher with less bat.

EDIT: I think sending Chacin instead of Matzek would improve on this...

While I'm "open" to the idea of including Swanner in this deal, my initial plan was to have him and Rosario behind the plate. Don't know how they are projected in real life, but just thought I would mention that both Tom Murphy and Wilfredo Rodriguez can also play 1B (at least, in the game). Murphy doesn't quite have the power Swanner has, but is a bigger arm defensively. With Montero and Zunino skills at bat, maybe Murphy could provide a different option.

As for Noesi, I don't know if you're just trying to shed his salary, or if you see this as a nice piece for the Rockies to have (again, lack of baseball knowledge plays against me) but he's not someone I'm very interested in, as I don't really room for him right now, nor in the future. The only other name I was very intrigued by was Gabriel Guerrero, and after reading what Sean had to say about him, I doubt the Mariners would consider moving him, especially since OF is perhaps their one position of need.

[KomicJ]

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Maurer is waaaaay better than any of the guys in that deal.

You've been pretty quiet on that whole Minny/Seattle/Colorado scenario so far...is it because I'm still too far out for you to jump in yet ? Because I always enjoy reading your inputs...

[AC]

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You've been pretty quiet on that whole Minny/Seattle/Colorado scenario so far...is it because I'm still too far out for you to jump in yet ? Because I always enjoy reading your inputs...

D'awh, thanks.

I have a lot of tests coming up and I hate baseball right now haha (5-9? BAH) so I'm trying not to post as much. It's just so hard to stay away lol.

It's still a big win for Colorado. Maurer, Smoak, and Capps are worth a LOT more than that. Capps is a stud reliever, Maurer's a #2/3 type, and Smoak has some potential.

[KomicJ]

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D'awh, thanks.

I have a lot of tests coming up and I hate baseball right now haha (5-9? BAH) so I'm trying not to post as much. It's just so hard to stay away lol.

It's still a big win for Colorado. Maurer, Smoak, and Capps are worth a LOT more than that. Capps is a stud reliever, Maurer's a #2/3 type, and Smoak has some potential.

Hahaha...well, if it makes you feel any better, at least you've got MLB coverage where you are, and a home team to cheer for, which is more than I can say for myself.

Alright. I was trying to pull off that deal before starting my season, but I guess I'll roll with what I have right now, and see how it goes. There another trade with the WSox I wanna explore, but it's time to play some games now.

[WildPotato]

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With my Mariners I'm pretty solid with my pitching depth and my infield prospects, especially after the draft. I'm looking to trade for a young, solid hitting infielder with potential. I'm looking at Brett Lawrie, and I understand it's not completely realistic to trade for him, but I figure I have some good pieces to offer. So I was thinking I could start a deal around a package of Kyle Seager (75ovr), Carlos Truinfel (Low A), and James Paxton who, keep in mind, improved from a high B to a mid to high A potential. What else could be added to the deal to make this a possibility? My untouchables are Franklin, Walker, Zunino, Hultzen, Montero, and Ackley.

At the allstar break Seager is batting .280 with 11 hr 40 rbi
Lawrie is batting .290 with 6 hr 35 rbi

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Maurer is waaaaay better than any of the guys in that deal.

I strongly disagree with that. In my personal opinion as well as the scouting services, Oswaldo Arcia is by far the stronger prospect. Maurer is good, but not that *special*. For example, Arcia is 66th by Fangraphs, 41st by BA, 48th by BP, and 90-ish in MLB. Maurer is not top 100 according to any service.

So, these scouting services are not law, but when they ALL say Arcia is top 50-100 range and Maurer is nowhere to be found, it is a drastic leap to say Maurer is actually better or more valuable. Heck, he's not even in the top 3 pitching prospects on his own team!

So, Maurer is probably the second best/most valuable player depending on what you think of Smoak. Arcia is the clear #1.

[37]

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D'awh, thanks.

I have a lot of tests coming up and I hate baseball right now haha (5-9? BAH) so I'm trying not to post as much. It's just so hard to stay away lol.

It's still a big win for Colorado. Maurer, Smoak, and Capps are worth a LOT more than that. Capps is a stud reliever, Maurer's a #2/3 type, and Smoak has some potential.

i hate baseball too if that makes u feel any better.....i'll show myself out the door now

[AC]

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Hahaha...well, if it makes you feel any better, at least you've got MLB coverage where you are, and a home team to cheer for, which is more than I can say for myself.

Alright. I was trying to pull off that deal before starting my season, but I guess I'll roll with what I have right now, and see how it goes. There another trade with the WSox I wanna explore, but it's time to play some games now.

Hey, if you need a team to cheer for, the Jays are accepting fans!

White Sox? Who?

I strongly disagree with that. In my personal opinion as well as the scouting services, Oswaldo Arcia is by far the stronger prospect. Maurer is good, but not that *special*. For example, Arcia is 66th by Fangraphs, 41st by BA, 48th by BP, and 90-ish in MLB. Maurer is not top 100 according to any service.

So, these scouting services are not law, but when they ALL say Arcia is top 50-100 range and Maurer is nowhere to be found, it is a drastic leap to say Maurer is actually better or more valuable. Heck, he's not even in the top 3 pitching prospects on his own team!

So, Maurer is probably the second best/most valuable player depending on what you think of Smoak. Arcia is the clear #1.

To be honest, I haven't heard much about Arcia, I dunno how. Just looking over his statistics.. But, well, damn this kid strikes out a lot. Kids who strike out a lot and don't walk over 10% of the time are not players I trust.

Comparing Maurer to other prospects in a STACKED system without context isn't the right thing to do, plus, I'd argue Maurer>Paxton.

Capps + Maurer + Smoak > Arcia by far though, and none of the other guys make up for it.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Okay, but that's what my last offer was. Blackmon + Arcia + Rodriguez + Vargas. So what I get is Rodriguez and Vargas aren't the type of C/1B that would interest you, right ?



Now that's something I could and probably would be willing to do. Hell, I'd be willing to add a pitcher to the already existing offer, without taking the C and 1B out. Out of those five, I'd say Cabrera would most likely be the most available, with Friedrich second...as I like Matzek a lot, and the other two are currently in my MLB rotation. But like I said before, I'd also be willing to consider Tyler Chatwood, Chad Bettis, Tyler Anderson or Eddie Butler.



While I'm "open" to the idea of including Swanner in this deal, my initial plan was to have him and Rosario behind the plate. Don't know how they are projected in real life, but just thought I would mention that both Tom Murphy and Wilfredo Rodriguez can also play 1B (at least, in the game). Murphy doesn't quite have the power Swanner has, but is a bigger arm defensively. With Montero and Zunino skills at bat, maybe Murphy could provide a different option.

As for Noesi, I don't know if you're just trying to shed his salary, or if you see this as a nice piece for the Rockies to have (again, lack of baseball knowledge plays against me) but he's not someone I'm very interested in, as I don't really room for him right now, nor in the future. The only other name I was very intrigued by was Gabriel Guerrero, and after reading what Sean had to say about him, I doubt the Mariners would consider moving him, especially since OF is perhaps their one position of need.

OK, well it's not so much about what would interest me, lol, as this isn't exactly the arbitration thread and I would be woefully bad at doing that for Seattle. BUT, I just was trying to add pieces Seattle might like. I think CarGo and Fowler are the most obvious, but since they are off limits, we're working on other stuff.

Point taken, if you don't want Noesi, he doesn't have to go...was just thinking Colorado would be somewhat against trading a rotation cog (Chacin) from probably the worst rotation in baseball without a replacement. You might have a minor leaguer you'd bring up though (Maurer...).

I think if you take your deal from a few pages back and use Swanner or the other catcher whatever, if you can find the right pitcher(s) to send you're basically there.

Blackmon + Arcia + Rodriguez + Vargas + Chacin + Pitcher X

My thinking is that Arcia is a STUD waiting to happen, but other than him, you're not sending a lot of top guys to SEA, more quantity it seems--that's why I started thinking about adding pitchers. Meanwhile, they're sending you 2 top 20 guys in their system plus another guy who's fairly valuable (traded for Cliff Lee at one point was pretty valuable I'd say) still in Smoak.

And sure it might seem like SEA is deep in pitching, and that's true, but losing Maurer here, and with Hultzen and Paxton not exactly sure things, they could always use more pitching depth. The key is them getting enough value back.

[AC]

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You guys really should take this to the arb thread lol. Needs some traffic anyways.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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You guys really should take this to the arb thread lol. Needs some traffic anyways.

Seconded! I do my best as an emergency M's deal-maker (or any other team, lol), but I'm sure better advice on dealing with Seattle would come from someone in there. Now if you want to deal with the Cubs.................

[hradekbr]

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Maurer is waaaaay better than any of the guys in that deal.

Idk about that Arcia is pretty good