2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[BlueJays09]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

You would deal JP Lind and Izturis for Lucroy ?

[AC]

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You would deal JP Lind and Izturis for Lucroy ?

No.. K-Rod would be in the deal.

[BlueJays09]

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Ya but you basically said krod was what you don't want just eating cash. So you take on cash and get something you don't want. Seems kinda pointless to me. I'm sure brewers wouldn't have any problem adding weeks

[AC]

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Ya but you basically said krod was what you don't want just eating cash. So you take on cash and get something you don't want. Seems kinda pointless to me. I'm sure brewers wouldn't have any problem adding weeks

Okay, I dunno what's getting lost in communication here lol.

K-Rod is negative value. He's pitching like crap and getting paid a lot. Me having to trade for him too makes the trade more fair. It's like taking Mark Teahen back in the Colby Rasmus deal.

[BlueJays09]

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He's negative plus he's expensive and playing like crap and you don't want him plus your giving jp and Lind for Lucroy lol. I don't get the logic but if you think Lucroy is that valuable than its fine by me. The brewers woul jump all over that so fair and real are checked for me

[AC]

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Because Arencibia is crap and Lucroy is criminally undervalued.

[nowitsourtime]

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Because Arencibia is crap and Lucroy is criminally undervalued.

Pretty much this.

Lucroy for Arencibia and Lind would be a tough deal for the Brewers to take. So by taking K-Rod, who is expensive and is playing like crap, would give the Brewers more incentive to take the deal.

Sometimes it's not about much you want a guy but how much the team wants to give the guy up

[Shock1011]

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The Brewers deal is realistic and fair, but you're right Lucroy is a hidden gem basically. If he improves his arm (seems to be better than the last few years already) and adds just a bit more power he could be up in the convo with Yadi and Posey. He's great and deadly against lefties. I mean last year he was hitting like .400 against LHP until he had a run in with an angry briefcase

[WaitTilNextYear]

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WTNY, would you approve of an Arencibia + Izturis + Lind deal for Lucroy and K-Rod?

Arencibia would work well with Maldonado, Izturis could play a variety of places in the IF very well, and Lind is hitting extremely well and could force Aoki to the bench. Lucroy would be the main piece from their side, obviously, but contending teams have used MLB ready assets to gain other assets before, like the Rasmus trade. K-Rod being traded allows them the financial flexibility to go out an acquire other assets.

I think it depends on the in-game contracts. If the contracts are anything like IRL, then I don't like it because Lind is too expensive and in a contract year with a $2MM buyout for next year. So, if Lind's contract is small in the game, I can see this being more ok.

One thing I don't like is there's not really a prospect going to MIL...you are basically shipping them every MLB player you don't like lol. I'd replace Izturis with a piece that has value.

Pretty much this.

Lucroy for Arencibia and Lind would be a tough deal for the Brewers to take. So by taking K-Rod, who is expensive and is playing like crap, would give the Brewers more incentive to take the deal.

Sometimes it's not about much you want a guy but how much the team wants to give the guy up

That's true there is negative value. But, it's more realistic that a team just waives a guy playing terribly than they actually use a guy with negative value in a trade. Waiving K-Rod and trading Lucroy for a higher return would make more sense.

The Brewers deal is realistic and fair, but you're right Lucroy is a hidden gem basically. If he improves his arm (seems to be better than the last few years already) and adds just a bit more power he could be up in the convo with Yadi and Posey. He's great and deadly against lefties. I mean last year he was hitting like .400 against LHP until he had a run in with an angry briefcase

Lol. He'll never be in the convo with those guys, but he's sneaky good. I like him a lot. If the Crew were out of it in my 'chise (they're always contending somehow) I'd be working on making him an Astro.

[G3no_11]

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One thing I don't like is there's not really a prospect going to MIL...you are basically shipping them every MLB player you don't like lol. I'd replace Izturis with a piece that has value.

That's true there is negative value. But, it's more realistic that a team just waives a guy playing terribly than they actually use a guy with negative value in a trade. Waiving K-Rod and trading Lucroy for a higher return would make more sense.

Fortunately for AC (even though he hates J.P. with a passion) Arencibia does carry some value. I don't think the Brewers would hate the idea of shipping Lucroy for an Arencibia/Maldonado combo.

On the K-Rod issue... I haven't checked myself but AC said K-Rod has a fairly high contract which would make cutting him pretty much out of the question. They could cut him but trading him would be a huge +

I can agree with replacing Izturis. I suggested it earlier that maybe it would be more appealing if you replaced him with possibly a pitching prospect since their bullpen is so awful.

Maybe even make it a bigger trade by throwing Weeks in the deal and giving back a B pot. pitching prospect?

Lind + Arencibia + Izturis + B pitching prospect
for
Weeks + Lucroy + K-Rod

Essentially it would be:
Lind + Arencibia for Lucroy
and Izturis + B pitching prospect for Weeks and K-Rod

I'm fine with the 1st trade, but this is another idea to throw out there.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Fortunately for AC (even though he hates J.P. with a passion) Arencibia does carry some value. I don't think the Brewers would hate the idea of shipping Lucroy for an Arencibia/Maldonado combo.

Lucroy >> Arencibia. JP Arencibia carries some value, but with a career .221 average and .267 OBP playing crap defense I don't see how his value is on Lucroy's level. Plus Lucroy is a fan favorite, and you wouldn't get that unless you went to Miller Park, lol. They're nuts about him. Only Braun is more beloved there imo.

On the K-Rod issue... I haven't checked myself but AC said K-Rod has a fairly high contract which would make cutting him pretty much out of the question. They could cut him but trading him would be a huge +

How would that be possible? K-Rod wasn't even on the Brewers in the SCEA rosters, I don't think. Was he? In real life, he was a UFA. So, someone would've had to sign him to a big contract, even though he was signed to a MiLB deal and just recently came up to the majors (like a month ago). Releasing K-Rod would be much better.

I can agree with replacing Izturis. I suggested it earlier that maybe it would be more appealing if you replaced him with possibly a pitching prospect since their bullpen is so awful.

Maybe even make it a bigger trade by throwing Weeks in the deal and giving back a B pot. pitching prospect?

Lind + Arencibia + Izturis + B pitching prospect
for
Weeks + Lucroy + K-Rod

Essentially it would be:
Lind + Arencibia for Lucroy
and Izturis + B pitching prospect for Weeks and K-Rod

I'm fine with the 1st trade, but this is another idea to throw out there.

Aside from value and contracts, the main problem I see is this trade has Milwaukee conflicted about whether to buy or sell. Why add 3 MLB players, one with a big $$ contract (Lind) and one who's arb-eligible next year (JP)? IMO, AC's gonna have to send them a decent prospect, top 15-20, to get Luuuuuuuuuucroy.

Then again there's always Drabek + Blanco....

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[AC]

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I think it depends on the in-game contracts. If the contracts are anything like IRL, then I don't like it because Lind is too expensive and in a contract year with a $2MM buyout for next year. So, if Lind's contract is small in the game, I can see this being more ok.

Lind is cheap in game and K-Rod is hella expensive. I know K-Rod is at $2.1mm (that's really expensive for the show and that's what Weeks is at or so) and I THINK Lind is under $1mm.

I would be willing to throw in another pitching prospect though but I'm glad to see this is getting some positive reviews. If any of you guys read fangraphs, some of the writers over there are nuts about the guy. 3rd best pitch framer in the league, 21.7 LD%, .324 wOBA, solid defense, I think I may take him over Wieters. .378 wOBA last year. He's so damn good. I am genuinely hyped about this, haha.

I would be willing to throw in Chase DeJong or someone to that effect.

[AC]

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Aside from value and contracts, the main problem I see is this trade has Milwaukee conflicted about whether to buy or sell. Why add 3 MLB players, one with a big $$ contract (Lind) and one who's arb-eligible next year (JP)? IMO, AC's gonna have to send them a decent prospect, top 15-20, to get Luuuuuuuuuucroy.

Lind ain't big money, and this seems like an addition by subtraction move for them. Think about the Colby Rasmus to Toronto deal. Toronto got a young, undervalued player, from a contending team, for a collection of relievers that all helped the Cardinals push towards a championship. Young assets can be moved for a set of assets to help out now more than said young asset could.

*We totally won the Rasmus deal*

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Lind is cheap in game and K-Rod is hella expensive. I know K-Rod is at $2.1mm (that's really expensive for the show and that's what Weeks is at or so) and I THINK Lind is under $1mm.

I would be willing to throw in another pitching prospect though but I'm glad to see this is getting some positive reviews. If any of you guys read fangraphs, some of the writers over there are nuts about the guy. 3rd best pitch framer in the league, 21.7 LD%, .324 wOBA, solid defense, I think I may take him over Wieters. .378 wOBA last year. He's so damn good. I am genuinely hyped about this, haha.

I would be willing to throw in Chase DeJong or someone to that effect.

I like the DeJong addition. I'd sign off on that for sure: Lind + DeJong + JPA for Lucroy + K-Rod. The deal boils down to you paying DeJong and some salary relief to upgrade nicely at C. If you wanted, I think you could add in Ackley for Weeks straight up to that. You'd have your C and 2B spots filled.

DeJong + JPA + Ackley + Lind for Lucroy + Weeks + K-Rod

You could probably even squeeze a C prospect out of them too.
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Well I don't know how SCEA fudged that one so spectacularly, lol. K-Rod was unsigned at the beginning of the year, now he's on an unspecified deal, but probably < $800K.

Meanwhile Lind is making $5M this year alone and has options for the next 2 years at $7M a piece with a $2M and $500K buyout. So that's $7.5M guaranteed, prorate that to $4M when you do the deal, but dang...

I really, really like Lucroy. A lot. He's got skills as a nice contact bat, lefty-killer with solid defensive attributes. Your lineup would OWN lefties with Bautista/Encarnacion/Lucroy/Lawrie. You're gonna need a prolific lefty bat at some point tho...

Reyes
Bautista
Lawrie
Encarnacion
Cabrera
Lucroy
Rasmus
Weeks
insert non-Encarnacion 1B/DH here

Aside from him looking nice in your lineup, there's the whole intangible that it'll sound like people are booing him, but they're actually saying "Luuuuuuuuuu" How can you put a price on that? Imagine an 8 year old kid seeing that for the first time...what, I'm going overboard?

If the dang Brewers would *ever* suck in 2K13, I'd be all over that too. If you get Lucroy, I will visit your dynasty page with 20% more gusto (not that it's not already good).

Lind ain't big money, and this seems like an addition by subtraction move for them. Think about the Colby Rasmus to Toronto deal. Toronto got a young, undervalued player, from a contending team, for a collection of relievers that all helped the Cardinals push towards a championship. Young assets can be moved for a set of assets to help out now more than said young asset could.

*We totally won the Rasmus deal*

But Rasmus is not the same type of player that Lind is. Lind is more of a maxed-out old ballplayer skills guy. Rasmus is an athlete. I'm always leery of sending the 1B/DH types to NL clubs.

I'm not sure who exactly is getting the proverbial "addition by subtraction" here unless you're referring to K-Rod? If you can, I'd be tempted to edit K-Rod's contract down to size. But, then I'd probably want to finish the other ones. Can you edit contracts in the Show? In 2K13 you can, and it's AMAZING. I like having an accurate budget.

[05rangers]

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I heard the white Soxs may blow up their team. If Sale was traded what would it take?

I'm playing as the Rangers