2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[DaBull_33]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

With the stability of Tulowitzki at short, and with the players I just drafted in my Rockies franchise, I'm looking to move Trevor Story to a team in need of a solid MI prospect.

The Mets are well out of contention in the middle of June. (I believe 17 or 18 games out of first and 15+ out of WC. I'm at work, so I don't have actual figures in front of me.)

Here's what I was thinking:

Mets get: SS Trevor Story

Rockies get: RP Jeurys Familia, SP Jonathan Niese, CP Bobby Parnell

I was also thinking of replacing Familia with Jordany Valdespin, and working in a storyline about him wearing out his welcome in New York (which may not be too far fetched...).

Like I said, I'm at the office right now, so I don't have specific numbers, but I do know that Story has been raking between AA and AAA all year long. I could use Parnell as a set-up man/backup closer. Niese and his heavy sinker would play well at Coors Field, and he may solidify the back of the rotation.

I have some other trade ideas in the works as well, but I'll wait on those until the deadline gets closer. I just had this thought today, and wanted to run it by the guys to see what the thoughts were.

[BlueJays09]

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I am going to do WTNY deal from his dynasty and get Mauer on my team. This means I still have Lawrie to deal and I want to get a decent SP back in the deal. Here are some options:

1) Lawrie back to MIL for Gallardo/Weeks
- Lawrie is worth a Low A and Low B according to spreadsheet and Gallardo is a Low A and Week a low B so thats fits smack on. Think that is fine or could I get more or have to give more?

2) Lawrie to CWS for Peavy/Keppinger
- Peavy is a low A i think and Kep is either a Low B or High C. Again would I have to add someone else or could I take someone else back?

[CameRoN0407]

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So in my Mets franchise at the deadline, I have 30 team control so I want to get Giancarlo Stanton out of my division haha. I think the most likely destination is the Pirates who are 60-46 but are getting no production from Travis Snider (just like real life). Stanton's hitting .254/.324/.459 and is set to make $10 mil in 2014 through arbitration. I know it's yet another Stanton trade...but

Jameson Taillon (A), Gregory Blanco (B), Luis Heredia (B), Nick Kingham (B), Travis Snider (B) for Stanton.

I know it's a little less than the spreadsheet value but Stanton is just doing OK and I thought the spreadsheet overrated him. It gives the Marlins a future ace, three future starters, and a replacement OF with potential. Is it fair enough?

Miami would require AT LEAST Cole, Taillon/or/Hanson, Heredia, Bell.

[Deuce2223]

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I am going to do WTNY deal from his dynasty and get Mauer on my team. This means I still have Lawrie to deal and I want to get a decent SP back in the deal. Here are some options:

1) Lawrie back to MIL for Gallardo/Weeks
- Lawrie is worth a Low A and Low B according to spreadsheet and Gallardo is a Low A and Week a low B so thats fits smack on. Think that is fine or could I get more or have to give more?

2) Lawrie to CWS for Peavy/Keppinger
- Peavy is a low A i think and Kep is either a Low B or High C. Again would I have to add someone else or could I take someone else back?

Realism out the window or just looking for fair?

Realism, the Brewers wouldn't want Lawrie back for the exact reasons why you want to deal him. Fair, probably given the fact the Brewers could use at 3B.

Whitesox.. More realistic and probably more fair. You might hold off 1 day and actually see where Peavy goes and for what IRL to judge his worth.

[Deuce2223]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

With the stability of Tulowitzki at short, and with the players I just drafted in my Rockies franchise, I'm looking to move Trevor Story to a team in need of a solid MI prospect.

The Mets are well out of contention in the middle of June. (I believe 17 or 18 games out of first and 15+ out of WC. I'm at work, so I don't have actual figures in front of me.)

Here's what I was thinking:

Mets get: SS Trevor Story

Rockies get: RP Jeurys Familia, SP Jonathan Niese, CP Bobby Parnell

I was also thinking of replacing Familia with Jordany Valdespin, and working in a storyline about him wearing out his welcome in New York (which may not be too far fetched...).

Like I said, I'm at the office right now, so I don't have specific numbers, but I do know that Story has been raking between AA and AAA all year long. I could use Parnell as a set-up man/backup closer. Niese and his heavy sinker would play well at Coors Field, and he may solidify the back of the rotation.

I have some other trade ideas in the works as well, but I'll wait on those until the deadline gets closer. I just had this thought today, and wanted to run it by the guys to see what the thoughts were.

Without Stats it's hard to say, I do know from what I have read, that the Mets really like Parnell a lot so not sure if they would want to move him. If you are looking for a possible setup/CP type guy you might consider going for Domingo Tapia. I have him in my M's Franchise and he throws gas..

I would say the Mets are good landing spot for Story.. Twins could be another depending on their record. They have G. Perkins a expensive CP, who they maybe would deal, but any other pitching is slim pickings..

Another option is the Cards. They need a SS and they have a loaded farm system of young SP's. Not sure Story is worth Miller or Wacha, but maybe more like C. Martinez or S. Maness (he throws a sinker as well). Then add in other pieces like maybe E. Mujica or T. Rosenthal for a RP or maybe Carson Kelly a young B rated 3B.

I too am at lunch, so I don't know who else to recommend.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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The CPU trading logic really overvalues age. They will trade away oldies for nothing it seems. I traded Jason Motte for Ichiro, Jeter and Mariano then traded Jaime Garcia and Jon Jay for Gio Gonzalez (Granted Gio does have a 5.71 ERA through 1 month). I knew I took advantage of the CPU but I like them as people not just players.

Interesting. From deals I've seen, it seems to undervalue top prospects by a lot.

Okay sorry about the vagueness I'll try to come up with a list of guys.

3B: Josh Donaldson?

SP: Jose Fernandez, Jose Quintana, maybe Patrick Corbin, Chris Sale, or Jeff Samardzija (Maybe not the last three as I can see them getting real expensive real quick)

SS Fill in until Bogaerts is ready

OF: Gerrardo Parra? or someone that can hit for power

And some studs for the bullpen..not really too knowledgable on relief pitchers


I'd like to move guys like:

Ryan Dempster
John Lackey
Jon Lester
Matt Thornton
Koji Uehara
Stephen Drew
Shane Victorino
Jonny Gomes
David Ross
and Mike Napoli if I could get a good 1B in a trade to replace him.

I could also move some prospects if need be to teams like Miami or Chicago but would rather not.

I realize that guys like Napoli, Victorino, and Dempster that were just signed wouldn't be the most realistic to be dealt so I suppose we could take them off of that list if you don't think it'd be realistic. Thanks for the help guys.

Well most of those guys I don't consider available. From the guys you mentioned, Donaldson, Quintana, and Parra are gettable. The issue is, all of those guys are established vets, so you gotta give prospects rather than your vets in exchange.

If you wanna do moneyball, you need to trade your vets for prospects and watch them grow up. With FAs you make really cheap moves (think Scott Hatteberg). You can also trade for those guys but they'd either come with vets in deals or in exchange for lower tier prospects of yours.

In general moneyball isn't an exchange of established vets.

Maybe add in one more prospect like Tony Sanchez (High C). I'd get some other opinions though, I haven't really suggested any trades before so not quite sure if what I suggest is right or not lol.

Lol you don't need a phd to do this! Any 16 year old with an internet connection is qualified, so don't worry. Just be prepared to have ideas beat up sometimes.

With the stability of Tulowitzki at short, and with the players I just drafted in my Rockies franchise, I'm looking to move Trevor Story to a team in need of a solid MI prospect.

The Mets are well out of contention in the middle of June. (I believe 17 or 18 games out of first and 15+ out of WC. I'm at work, so I don't have actual figures in front of me.)

Here's what I was thinking:

Mets get: SS Trevor Story

Rockies get: RP Jeurys Familia, SP Jonathan Niese, CP Bobby Parnell

I was also thinking of replacing Familia with Jordany Valdespin, and working in a storyline about him wearing out his welcome in New York (which may not be too far fetched...).

Like I said, I'm at the office right now, so I don't have specific numbers, but I do know that Story has been raking between AA and AAA all year long. I could use Parnell as a set-up man/backup closer. Niese and his heavy sinker would play well at Coors Field, and he may solidify the back of the rotation.

I have some other trade ideas in the works as well, but I'll wait on those until the deadline gets closer. I just had this thought today, and wanted to run it by the guys to see what the thoughts were.

I just worry about the quantity here. You don't usually see 3 vets for 1 spect. Add in some filler prospects and I think it's ok. Mets would love Wright and Story on the left side.

[CameRoN0407]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Without Stats it's hard to say, I do know from what I have read, that the Mets really like Parnell a lot so not sure if they would want to move him. If you are looking for a possible setup/CP type guy you might consider going for Domingo Tapia. I have him in my M's Franchise and he throws gas..

lol, the Mets'll move anything not named Harvey, Wright, or Wheeler (first name Zack!) at this point

I would say the Mets are good landing spot for Story.. Twins could be another depending on their record. They have G. Perkins a expensive CP, who they maybe would deal, but any other pitching is slim pickings..

I don't see the Mets as a good spot, when they just drafted Gavin Cecchini. They are extremely high on him, and expect him to be their future stop-gap.

Another option is the Cards. They need a SS and they have a loaded farm system of young SP's. Not sure Story is worth Miller or Wacha, but maybe more like C. Martinez or S. Maness (he throws a sinker as well). Then add in other pieces like maybe E. Mujica or T. Rosenthal for a RP or maybe Carson Kelly a young B rated 3B.

Cards are a really great fit. Story for Martinez straight up sounds good.

I too am at lunch, so I don't know who else to recommend.

To the original poster, the Mets aren't a great fit because of Cecchini, but here are some other teams that can use a good MI prospect, and have a descent pitcher to give up:

ChiSox
Angels
Yankees
Phillies

[BlueJays09]

Ya more fair than realistic. Ill wait until the deadline comes around to make any moves considering I'm at the same point in my season. Brewer and sox both suck

[DaBull_33]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

To the original poster, the Mets aren't a great fit because of Cecchini, but here are some other teams that can use a good MI prospect, and have a descent pitcher to give up:

ChiSox
Angels
Yankees
Phillies

Of those four, only the ChiSox are the only ones not in the race. Yankees and Angels lead their respective divisions, and the Phillies are nipping on the heels of the Nats.

I already picked up Hector Santiago, John Danks, and Santo Rodriguez from Chicago in a Spring Training deal.


EDIT: I know Cecchini is only 19, and probably a couple more years away, at least. What about him shifting to 2B? That would give the Mets a future infield of Wright, Story, and Cecchini. Story could move over to second as well for that matter. Just a thought.

[InTheoWeTrust]

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Well most of those guys I don't consider available. From the guys you mentioned, Donaldson, Quintana, and Parra are gettable. The issue is, all of those guys are established vets, so you gotta give prospects rather than your vets in exchange.

If you wanna do moneyball, you need to trade your vets for prospects and watch them grow up. With FAs you make really cheap moves (think Scott Hatteberg). You can also trade for those guys but they'd either come with vets in deals or in exchange for lower tier prospects of yours.

In general moneyball isn't an exchange of established vets.

Okay I think moneyball was probably the wrong choice of word for what I'm trying to do. Basically I'm trying to get younger talent at 3B, SS, OF, SP and C. Now if that involves me giving up prospects that's fine I'd just obviously like to keep Bogearts and the main core of the Red Sox farm. I think what I'd like to do is strip the Red Sox down getting rid of all of these older guys and field a young team then I can go with your definition of a moneyball approach.

So basically trade vets for young, cheap players and then start the moneyball approach like as you said it's hard doing moneyball when you have a huge payroll like the Red Sox.

Hopefully I'm not too far off on this haha.

[AC]

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Hopefully I'm not too far off on this haha.

You kind of are. What you're detailing is just a standard rebuild. Moneyball is the exploitation of market inefficiencies. In the Lewis time, teams undervalued players who got on base. Lately, they've been building up saves for their relievers and then flipping them as they declined a la Bailey. The Rays have done this to an extent as well.

If you have a market inefficiency that you've spotted and would like to build around, then that's moneyball. Dealing your vets? That's just rebuilding. Now, I'll try to put together some trades for you, assuming you're just rebuilding.

IMO you should trade Middlebrooks.

[AC]

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Ryan Dempster

To the Indians for Danny Salazar and Ronny Rodriguez.

John Lackey

To the Los Angeles Angels for CJ Cron and Hank Conger

Koji Uehara

To the Detroit Tigers for Austin Schotts

Shane Victorino

To the Mariners for Stefan Romero and Victor Sanchez

Stephen Drew

To the Reds for Jesse Winker

Jon Lester

To the Los Angeles Dodgers for Joc Pederson and Chris Withrow

These are all very rough, as I have no stats or contenders to work with. You should obviously wait until the deadline for these.

Oh, and I forgot.

Middlebrooks to the Cubs for Brett Jackson and Josh Vitters.

*these are all assuming that you're playing with OD sets*

[Pete_Dogg_18]

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IMO you should trade Middlebrooks.

What's your reasoning for trading Middlebrooks just out of interest... I like Middlebrooks a lot and think he's a great piece to keep and build around...

I'm thinking of taking on a Red Sox project similar to this soon as I have taken my Cubs one about as far as I wanted to, winning a WS in 2016 and 2017... So I will be interested in some of the trades you propose...

[AC]

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What's your reasoning for trading Middlebrooks just out of interest... I like Middlebrooks a lot and think he's a great piece to keep and build around...

I'm thinking of taking on a Red Sox project similar to this soon as I have taken my Cubs one about as far as I wanted to, winning a WS in 2016 and 2017... So I will be interested in some of the trades you propose...

He has no discipline and I don't think he'll really get on base much. He's a good player but his injury last year worried me a bit and I think it'd be nice to sell high on him, or IRL, try and build up his value and deal him. He's not a piece I'd build around, honestly.

[Pete_Dogg_18]

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He has no discipline and I don't think he'll really get on base much. He's a good player but his injury last year worried me a bit and I think it'd be nice to sell high on him, or IRL, try and build up his value and deal him. He's not a piece I'd build around, honestly.

Yeah fair enough, I'm not one to look too deeply into RL when it comes to making moves in the show, but I can certainly see your point... I've had Middlebrooks in a fantasy draft franchise before and he turned into a beast which is why I like him in game especially...