Franchise Player Ratings Decline

[BrianU]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

FWIW, put me down as someone who hated the double ratings hit and is extremely pleased they are looking into it...but also someone who wasn't going to stop playing RTTS or Franchise because of it. No game will ever mimic reality 100% and I've been playing flawed Franchise Modes since Madden 99 on the PS1...and enjoying the heck out of them.

This year's Show, if left untouched, would be no different. I just play within the confines of the game, meaning be wary of signing veterans to overly long contracts and look for potential breakout prospects. Which in theory, isn't that far off and like many have said, much better than the old system.

Where they went wrong is how drastically the ratings change. Very very few players come out of ST that much better or worse than they were before it. What they could have done and maybe this is something we can look to forward to in the future, is having older pitchers take a 1-2mph dip in their velocity (in turn dropping their K's per 9, increasing their H/9 etc) and have older position players take a hit in athletic attributes like Speed (tho not baserunning ability cuz guys typically don't forget how to run, just they're not as quick) and other physical attributes like a RHB struggling against RHP and LHB struggling more against LHP, leading to more platooning later in their careers (a la Andruw Jones recently and what Justin Morneau SHOULD be this year etc). I think this would be a much better system and over time you could make hitter's discipline ratings start dropping (as they start guessing more to keep up with fastballs which leads to expanding their zones) and have pitcher's stamina start dropping as they hit later years too.

I'm very happy this might get changed this year as it is though. But I was more than comfortable playing within the prior setup, it just would have hurt my enjoyment.

Agreed on all points. Progression and Regression should be more specific not globally ratings ups and downs. I feel the next step to franchise would be a form of signature players... like during gameplay different players have signature animations/HR swings/pitching motions/batting stances. Well in franchise the stars should behave more as they do in terms of contracts, playing time, and regression. Jeter for example even if he falls 20 points should still be the starting SS for the yankees unti he retires. He should have a trait in his profile called 'loyalty' where he will remain a yankee and never get traded or moved down or lost to FA and another called 'franchise player' where he never gets demoted or benched for another player with better ratings.

I realize this is a tough thing to program but it should be possible for a few of the top studs of the game. It is still someones objective opinion so it should be editable so we the community (OSFM) can edit it. Traits for contract negotiations, as well as toughness, and regression would be awesome and the only way to make franchise behave correctly.

The reason people are unhappy is they look at the players names and say 'that would never happen IRL' but if you strictly look at their stats and age everything is pretty logical. If the Astros had a 38 year old SS who was regressing they would send him to AAA too.

The way the devs design the game and take input from the community makes me optimistic that The Show will be godlike on PS4 without the limitation the PS3's memory has. They had to remove the ballpark ticket/vendor feature just to have room to add other things that says a lot about how tight things as we reach a new console generation

[go tribe]

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you do realize for every one complaint that is very vocal there are most likely 10+ people who like it and don't complain... You're an extreme minority to like it. Even on this board. and yes there is a 292 post thread... in which many of the same users have posted 5 or more times. So your guys' "a ton of people" arguement is really 20 people around here. When this time of year there can be 500+ people on the show forum alone, facts are a majority of people like or are unaffected by the new GP. Why would SCEA consider changing it?

Unlike the franchise decline in ST, which they have said shouldn't happen is completely different. They designed there to be season progression/regression and it also happens in ST, which is a mistake... GP on the other hand was changed which they stated before released was and people still can't get over it. While a majority are fine with it.

Guess Pitch is the 2nd highest voted on bug in the Show Nation bug reports with 145 up votes and 25 down votes - and you can't vote twice. So it's not the same 20 people going back and forth. To say the majority are fine with it isn't true if you take out all the people that don't use it at all. I don't play online, so I'm fine with any changes they make to online, but my opinion doesn't count for online because I don't use it.

The number of people THAT USE GP, that say they like the change, compared to the number of people THAT USE GP that hate the change would easily show that the majority is NOT fine with it.

The bug reports stats confirm that.

do you even use it? if not why continue to comment on it?

I never comment in a Manager Only thread or an Online thread or a DD thread because I don't use them.

[flamingoezz]

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The number of people THAT USE GP, that say they like the change, compared to the number of people THAT USE GP that hate the change would easily show that the majority is NOT fine with it.

Why are you bringing up GP in this thread; there is no correlation.

Regression is a bug that takes away from the realism of the game. GP changes ADD to the realism of the game.

If you can't hit now, slow down the pitch speed and quit complaining about something THAT ISN'T A BUG, especially in a thread it doesn't belong in.

[homerjfry]

Welcome to the Angels world man ha ha. Is the same thing my dodgers will have to deal with when Adrian, Crawford, kemp, eithier and Beckett's contacts are up.

While this is exaggerated I like the strategy that goes behind it. Gotta think about that next contact and whether the years are worth it

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[ptbnl]

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Why are you bringing up GP in this thread; there is no correlation.

It's because they have no point and are changing the subject.

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

you do realize for every one complaint that is very vocal there are most likely 10+ people who like it and don't complain... You're an extreme minority to like it. Even on this board. and yes there is a 292 post thread... in which many of the same users have posted 5 or more times. So your guys' "a ton of people" arguement is really 20 people around here. When this time of year there can be 500+ people on the show forum alone, facts are a majority of people like or are unaffected by the new GP. Why would SCEA consider changing it?

Unlike the franchise decline in ST, which they have said shouldn't happen is completely different. They designed there to be season progression/regression and it also happens in ST, which is a mistake... GP on the other hand was changed which they stated before released was and people still can't get over it. While a majority are fine with it.

Interesting argument that EVERYONE who doesn't like the changes has already commented on it, and EVERYONE who didn't comment, MUST like the changes. You are not even close. There are plenty of people who don't like, but don't care enough to post about it. Or who never used it in the first place, so they don't care to comment on it.

And I never said "More people hate it than like it", I never segmented the membership here like you are trying to do, I said A LOT of people here hate it. You could easily say A LOT of people in this world love to eat pig hearts, but that doesn't mean THE MAJORITY.

[go tribe]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

Why are you bringing up GP in this thread; there is no correlation.

Regression is a bug that takes away from the realism of the game. GP changes ADD to the realism of the game.

If you can't hit now, slow down the pitch speed and quit complaining about something THAT ISN'T A BUG, especially in a thread it doesn't belong in.

i didn't bring it up - i responded to a comment that already talked about it

[woody2goody]

Yeah guys, this thread has nothing to do with guess pitch.

Today I restored a few attribute points to veterans and it seemed to work well. At least when it first happens you can see exactly how many points they lost.

Does anybody know if the excessive regression happens in future seasons or just the first one?

[sink4ever]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

Yeah guys, this thread has nothing to do with guess pitch.

Today I restored a few attribute points to veterans and it seemed to work well. At least when it first happens you can see exactly how many points they lost.

Does anybody know if the excessive regression happens in future seasons or just the first one?

I believe the doubling effect of progression/regression also happens after the first season if you play/sim spring training instead of selecting "End Spring Training".

[pirates1fan]

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Wow, I have been gone a couple days and thought I'd come and read through the thread a little, and wow, this thing is funny!

Wow, did anybody see this Privateyet?

Seems like player progression as well as many7some other bugs like first pitch meatball are marked as "In Progress" now on theshownation.com

http://theshownation.com/bug_reports?sort_by=vote_balance

Developers comments:
Comment posted Mar 11, 2013 6:22 pm PDT
This bug report was closed as a duplicate. Please refer to bug report #10216.
Comment posted Mar 12, 2013 10:00 am PDT
We believe we have found the issue to the problem. We were penalizing/regression players in two places, should have only been one. We are working to include in a game update now.
Comment posted Mar 12, 2013 10:26 am PDT
This bug report was closed as a duplicate. Please refer to bug report #10216.



btw, it's by design, not a bug huh?

This is fantastic news! Thanks, geisterhome, for kind of spear heading this whole thing. Franchise mode might be more playable for me now. I was still thinking about giving it a shot, but this news gives me all the more hope. Thanks!

[woody2goody]

I believe the doubling effect of progression/regression also happens after the first season if you play/sim spring training instead of selecting "End Spring Training".

Thanks, i reckon that's why all those highly-rated 30-yr-old rookies appear then.

[douggoud]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

This bug became very apparent for me in my first franchise, Scott Downs, who was rated at about 80 something, dropped to a 57 by the start of the 2014 season. Now, I know he's 37, but he isn't going to just fall off the face of the earth like that. Needless to say, I can't wait for the update.

[Knight165]

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Honestly...
I wouldn't mind smaller increases/decreases BEFORE spring training starts...but AFTER the off season ends.

That's really when you'll know what has happened to your players in the scheme of things for making your roster choices.

If you signed a 36 y.o. player and he doesn't pan out for that year....but you know through ST it isn't going to be beneficial.....you eat it. But it's a tough one to take when he rakes ST and then he's a non-entity on day one.
Hopefully this gets taken care of....because I like using ST.


M.K.
Knight165

[woody2goody]

Honestly...
I wouldn't mind smaller increases/decreases BEFORE spring training starts...but AFTER the off season ends.

That's really when you'll know what has happened to your players in the scheme of things for making your roster choices.

If you signed a 36 y.o. player and he doesn't pan out for that year....but you know through ST it isn't going to be beneficial.....you eat it. But it's a tough one to take when he rakes ST and then he's a non-entity on day one.
Hopefully this gets taken care of....because I like using ST.


M.K.
Knight165

I only play a couple of ST games but there are always a couple of guys who you want to have a look at, and this bug just makes it harder to evaluate your squad.

[Knight165]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

I only play a couple of ST games but there are always a couple of guys who you want to have a look at, and this bug just makes it harder to evaluate your squad.

Absolutely.

M.K.
Knight165