first pitch meatballs....bug?

[sydrogerdavid]

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Got called up to the show today. The meatballs are gone.

[sydrogerdavid]

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Just going off my memory, this is how my stats have been so far. I'm playing on All-Star, no slider changes, and I have been training my player where I see fit. I think I just reached the 70s for L & R contact as I was called up. At the end of August, I'm rated overall at 82.


For AA, I was hitting well over .500, 20+, 60+ RBIs by the time I started simming, which was the last week of May. So when I got called up at the middle of June, it dropped to somewhere in the .490s and climbed up to 80+ RBIs.

For AAA, for about three weeks, I was batting .390s, some homers and some RBIs. I had well under 100 ABs in AAA.

Now in MLB, for one month, I'm batting around .265-.270, 2 homers and 10 RBIs. My OBP and SLG are about .300 and .400 respectivly. I'm not sure exactly, all I know is that they are very low. I also have 10 GIDPs.


I think bcruise could be spot on with his idea of how difficulties work.

[Bahnzo]

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Got called up to the show today. The meatballs are gone.

Unless you go out for lunch with Tony Lasorda.

[MoleDude]

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Unless you go out for lunch with Tony Lasorda.

Tommy DE-LI-VERS the best meatballs in LA, which might or might not be that great.

[GoDucks1224]

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Yep. Got called up to the Show. And the meatballs reduced dramatically, thank God. I played a full season on All Star, got called up from AA after one week because I hit 8 homeruns and had 24 RBI's in 7 starts. Spent the rest of the year in AAA and ended the AAA season with 49 homeruns and 107 RBI's. Batting close to .400. It was mostly due to the meatballs. I'm a power hitting first basemen, naturally. And so those first pitch meatballs I would just hammer everytime. It was hilarious really. I changed the sliders, didn't help MUCH but did improve it. But when I got called up to the bigs it was entirely different. A stark contrast.

[PsychoBulk]

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I just don't see problem with first pitches down the middle.

Hi Nomo - you are always someone with whom a sensible discussion can be had, so i ask you...

You dont see a fairly obvious problem with this?

[rjackson]

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I wish I could see the attached pic.

[LastActionHero]

Ouch.. .

[Anaxamander]

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I don't have any scientific testing to go along with my post, but I certainly notice this. The very first pitch of the game, if you guess their #1 pitch, you have a high likelihood of cranking it out of the park because they deliver it on a silver platter.

[dustyb87]

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I played a couple games last night against the Reds and Cardinals and didn't have this problem. On the first pitch I did get some fastballs but they were on the black not down the middle. But most of the first pitches I got were sliders or curve balls.

[Money99]

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I lowered pitcher consistency, frequency and control(?) all down to 0 and it's helped immensely.
Seeing a lot more first-pitch balls. It's not 60% like MLB, but it's not 100% like before either.

Loving this game.

[BrianU]

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So have we concluded that hitting difficulty affects the first pitch strikes significantly?

Would it be wise to use Legend hitting in AA/AAA then drop to Hall of Fame for MLB? Can you change hitting difficulty during a RTTS i havent played yet

[dkrause1971]

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Well... why don't you collect the data yourself??? ... like I spend an hour playing and editing video just to prove a point that I never really agreed with to begin with.... I find it very unfortunate that the loudest people in this sort of issue never really takes a sound approach in proving that the issue that they claim to exist really exist....

In that game in the video, the first pitch in an inning was NOT always meat pitches. In fact, there were a couple curve balls out of the zone to start with as well...

Here is the thing. Your proof doesn't answer the problem stated- only first pitch of the inning and probably the first pitcher of a reliever (i do not have much data on this part) when in exhibition. Then you jump down this guys throat for stating this. Next, you state that the rest of us that have given our proof do not take a sound approach. Over and over i have stated exactly what i am seeing, on a pitch by pitch bases at times. You need to understand the problem first, second you need to have clear mind going into testing, not this well they are wrong and i'll prove it crap. Its a shame you have been like this in this thread, you are one of my favorite posters to read normally.

The issue, On exhibition, All-star the pitcher will throw his #1 pitch at a very, very high rate. He will generally throw his ball in in the middle of the zone, its a strike at a very high rate. Exhibition, all star is where most my testing has been. The pitchers first pitch has lead the inning 119 of the 120 tests i have done. The pitcher has thrown a strike 114 of those 120 pitches. The ball down the middle is 35%-40) of the time. Down the middle is classified as in fully or partially in the middle hitting square. The ball near the middle is another 45%-50% of the time (Not in the middle square but closer to the middle square than the edge of the strike zone). The ball either a ball or far area (Edge of the strike zone) in the zone is the remainder. The amount that is an far area strike was higher in legend than all-star but in a smaller sample. Based on my evidence you can see the problem is close to a given you'll see the pitcher #1 pitch. That a good chance it will be in the middle or near middle, and that it will be a strike at a high rate. Dismiss the importance, but say 10 pitches per game, at 143 (MLB average) that is 7% of the total pitches you would see. To me that is worth discussion. I did do a CPU vs CPU game and the results are in the thread somewhere, the results were similar. All pitches were #1 pitches. I think all but 1 or 2 were strikes, etc, etc.

This thread is a jumbled mess of RTTS and Exhibition people talking over each other with other posters jumping in with no evidence, poor evidence, or evidence that doesn't fit the situation. Your was the latter, the evidence didn't fit the situation, then you used "memory" to state the latter, not evidence. That wouldn't be sound now would it.

Now a further problem is showing this. If you literally only do the first pitch of an inning and then sim the rest of the time, it is showing more pitches than you faced. Psychobulk has mentioned this as well. This is why i have not posted any pictures. Why it does this i do not know. I should state again i am talking only exhibition (short time in franchise i saw the same), i am not talking RTTS at all.

I have provided the outline of what i see here. If you wish to partake and discuss further that would be great. If you instead want to just say its not important, that we are just poor testers, and your right based on nothing we can see, or any real data, then please just skip the thread.

[dkrause1971]

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So have we concluded that hitting difficulty affects the first pitch strikes significantly?

Would it be wise to use Legend hitting in AA/AAA then drop to Hall of Fame for MLB? Can you change hitting difficulty during a RTTS i havent played yet

In my short testing on legend- non RTTS. What i noticed was less down the middle #1 pitches. All were #1 pitches in the three games i tested, but the variety of where they were was greater.

[ralphus8]

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Here's a non-scientific observation:

24 of my first 25 AB in RTTS were all of the pitchers #1 pitch and all right down the middle. It didn't matter what the result of the plays were, the pitchers would continue to throw them. I had one situation where I was 3-3 with 2 HR and a double and still got the first pitch meatball. I swung on the first pitch 100% of the time. I used normal swing as well. For the next 25 AB I would hold down R2 and press up on the right stick to influence a fly ball. Only 2 pitches in those 25 AB were what I would consider meatballs. Most of them were fastballs in great locations, breaking balls on the corners, or pitches outside of the zone

I'm not 100% sure that I didn't try to influence a fly ball in those first 25 AB that would account for the one non-meatball pitch that I saw. I did have runners on first and third with less that two outs and I didn't want to hit into a DP, so I probably did. But like I said, non-scientific.

This is all at the AA level.

Credentials: I've been playing RTTS exclusively since '08 and have been watching baseball for 30 years. This pitch logic may not be a bug, but it is definitely new in this year's game.