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  • nowitsourtime
    Banned
    • Oct 2011
    • 876

    #16
    Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

    My last game in my Diamondbacks franchise, Putz came in with a 4-1 lead, 1 on and 1 out. He got 2 quick outs and credited with the save. I don't the issue is widespread at all and more of a minor glitch than anything or it is actually not a save situation.

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    • LowerWolf
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jun 2006
      • 12282

      #17
      Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

      With a three-run lead, he has to pitch a full inning to get the save (assuming no one is on base when he enters). A third of an inning doesn't get it.

      From MLB.com:

      Saves:
      Rule 10.20 in the Official Rule Book states:
      Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions:
      (1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and
      (2) He is not the winning pitcher; and
      (3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions:
      - (a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or
      - (b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces; or
      - (c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings. No more than one save may be credited in each game.

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      • ktd1976
        MVP
        • Mar 2006
        • 1940

        #18
        Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

        Originally posted by LowerWolf
        With a three-run lead, he has to pitch a full inning to get the save (assuming no one is on base when he enters). A third of an inning doesn't get it.

        From MLB.com:

        Saves:
        Rule 10.20 in the Official Rule Book states:
        Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions:
        (1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and
        (2) He is not the winning pitcher; and
        (3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions:
        - (a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or
        - (b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces; or
        - (c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings. No more than one save may be credited in each game.
        Also, to take this a bit further. If a pitcher enters the game with a lead of 4 runs or more (say 5-1) and allows a couple runs to score (making it 5-3) and pitches to the potential tying run, he still does NOT get credit for a save. Because he entered with a lead of more than 3 runs. A pitcher cannot work himself into a save situation. IE He didn't enter the game with a 3 run lead or less, and he didn't enter the game with the tying run either on base, at bat, or on deck.

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        • nflman2033
          Rookie
          • Feb 2003
          • 360

          #19
          Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

          I had an issue with patch. 1.21 in. Were I took a lead ib extra innings brought my closer in the bottom of the inning and didn't get the save. It was a save situation.

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          • dbacks_Nation
            Pro
            • Jan 2012
            • 705

            #20
            Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

            Originally posted by HighCmpPct
            Should also add that the game I didn't get the save Mo got the last two outs, the one he did get it he got 3.
            What was the score, and how many players were on base?
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            • treyraq
              Rookie
              • Jan 2011
              • 493

              #21
              Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

              Originally posted by Str8Edge4Life
              In my Twins Franchise with the 1.18 patch, I've had two games leading by 3 runs twice in extra innings and got the win, but neither pitcher (Swarzak and Fien) were credited with the save.
              You say extra innings...

              Were those pitchers pitching when you took the lead? Because they wouldn't get saves in those situations.

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              • HighCmpPct
                Denny 3K
                • Oct 2011
                • 3596

                #22
                Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

                Originally posted by dbacks_Nation
                What was the score, and how many players were on base?
                Originally posted by HighCmpPct
                None on, 2-run lead should have gotten the save. Like I said though not that big of deal at the moment as it's the only time it's happened and I'm definitely not ready to blame it on the patch.
                Trust me I know the rules, former minor leaguer here.

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                • HechticSooner
                  Pro
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 569

                  #23
                  Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

                  Originally posted by HighCmpPct
                  Trust me I know the rules, former minor leaguer here.
                  Not saying you don't know the rules, but playing ball doesn't prove ya do I've know a couple of guys that made it all the way up to grabbing a cup o coffee that I still get on rules all the time. Just sayin...
                  Originally posted by theengine
                  Plus, there are lots of illiterate Pro Bowlers. Just ask Chad Johnson....
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                  • LowerWolf
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 12282

                    #24
                    Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

                    Definitely something with extra innings.

                    I just won a game 7-4 in 11. Brought Kimbrel in to start the 11th after taking the lead in the top half. No save.

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                    • HechticSooner
                      Pro
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 569

                      #25
                      Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

                      Originally posted by LowerWolf
                      Definitely something with extra innings.

                      I just won a game 7-4 in 11. Brought Kimbrel in to start the 11th after taking the lead in the top half. No save.
                      That's because he got the win...
                      Originally posted by theengine
                      Plus, there are lots of illiterate Pro Bowlers. Just ask Chad Johnson....
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                      • LowerWolf
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Jun 2006
                        • 12282

                        #26
                        Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

                        Originally posted by HechticSooner
                        That's because he got the win...
                        Nope. Walden got the win, as he should have.

                        It was tied at 4 going to extras. Walden pitched the 10th, keeping it at 4. I scored three in the top of the 11th to take the lead. Brought Kimbrel in to start the bottom of the 11th. He set the side down in order.

                        Walden should have gotten the win (he did) and Kimbrel should have gotten a save (he didn't).

                        I'm pretty sure this was an issue in previous versions. So I don't think it's patch related.

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                        • bronxbombers21325
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2012
                          • 3059

                          #27
                          Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

                          I haven't had this issue. Long as I win the game I can probably deal with it if it happens though.

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                          • RecordBreakerCF
                            Rookie
                            • May 2013
                            • 345

                            #28
                            Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

                            What if the closer entered the game with a 4 run lead with the base loaded with with 2 outs and got the last out?

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                            • nflman2033
                              Rookie
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 360

                              #29
                              Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

                              Originally posted by LowerWolf
                              Nope. Walden got the win, as he should have.

                              It was tied at 4 going to extras. Walden pitched the 10th, keeping it at 4. I scored three in the top of the 11th to take the lead. Brought Kimbrel in to start the bottom of the 11th. He set the side down in order.

                              Walden should have gotten the win (he did) and Kimbrel should have gotten a save (he didn't).

                              I'm pretty sure this was an issue in previous versions. So I don't think it's patch related.
                              Yup that's exactly what happened to me, I don't even go for saves in extra innings anymore because it's clearly not right.

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                              • LowerWolf
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Jun 2006
                                • 12282

                                #30
                                Re: After patch 1.23 Closer issues

                                Just beat the Nats 3-2 in 12 innings. Kimbrel did get the save this time.

                                I know I've had this issue in previous versions of the game. I want to say a three-run lead won't get you a save in extra innings.

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