MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

[Woodweaver]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

Wood, would you be able to say if you guys were able to get the poly count greater to where it was in that Mike Napoli picture in the other thread? Like where you saw more texture, wrinkle, and detail in the right picture? I dont know how to quote something outside the current thread, but the picture I'm talking about is on the PS4 forums under "PS4 discussion" Pg 43, #1707 lol

Am I to assume then that the OP was referring to the head portion of the models in particular the faces when he mentioned complaints?

The difference in those two images is mainly lighting. Although poly/vertex count can affect lighting, an increase would not necessarily be required to achieve similar results. I will say that work in all these areas continued after that screen shot.

[A_Quiet_Pro]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

Am I to assume then that the OP was referring to the head portion of the models in particular the faces when he mentioned complaints?

The difference in those two images is mainly lighting. Although poly/vertex count can affect lighting, an increase would not necessarily be required to achieve similar results. I will say that work in all these areas continued after that screen shot.

Sounds good. And thanks Oldboy, exactly what I was talking about.

[Woodweaver]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

The one complaint that stood to me was regarding the jerseys. They do still seem very doughy in the middle areas where wrinkles happen and stiff on the edges. The sleeves and the tucked in part of the jersey look rigid and not affected by gravity the way you would expect. Because the jerseys cover so much of the players I feel like it stands out and was a complaint when the screenshots came out. I think one of Factzzz's complaints was regarding the jersey which I somewhat agree with.

This is the image that A_Quiet_Pro is referring to I think if anyone's curious.

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Unfortunately, I cannot speak knowledgeably about the state or plans for cloth modeling.

[tnixen]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

Unfortunately, I cannot speak knowledgeably about the state or plans for cloth modeling.

Would you be able to tell us if there is more then 1 Jersey template for the PS4 version? So teams with no player names on the back will have the number higher up in it's normal place?

[Tweeg]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

Unfortunately, I cannot speak knowledgeably about the state or plans for cloth modeling.

Don't worry. A speculative forum poster will do that for all of us.

[Curahee]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

Don't worry. A speculative forum poster will do that for all of us.

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[LastActionHero]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

I'm more into the cloth physics side of things. Check this ps4 screen of Pedroia. Besides the fact he is looking too cool for school with his shades and beard (in a positive sense haha) but his jersey sleeves just float around his arms which to me belongs only in the last gen era

[The_Duke]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

Would you be able to tell us if there is more then 1 Jersey template for the PS4 version? So teams with no player names on the back will have the number higher up in it's normal place?

I've been trying to get an answer on this as well and so far no luck.

[Woodweaver]

MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

I'm more into the cloth physics side of things. Check this ps4 screen of Pedroia. Besides the fact he is looking too cool for school with his shades and beard (in a positive sense haha) but his jersey sleeves just float around his arms which to me belongs only in the last gen era

I see. Can you give me some examples of games on the PS4 or XB1 that display the type of cloth physics you are expecting while processing 50+ active instances? I'd really like to check them out.

[ryanmc564]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

I see. Can you give me some examples of games on the PS4 or XB1 that display the type of cloth physics you are expecting while processing 50+ active instances? I'd really like to check them out.

I'll save you some time Woodweaver, there isn't any examples because nobody has done this yet. It amazes me that some peoples expectations of this game is so ridiculously high that they are wanting such small insignificant details that will go unnoticed when actually playing the game. Keep doing what you are doing the game is looking great!


Edit: In some ways screenshots are not the best way to represent a game Like The Show, the best way to represent a game like this is to see it in motion.

[ShowTyme15]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

I'll save you some time Woodweaver, there isn't any examples because nobody has done this yet. It amazes me that some peoples expectations of this game is so ridiculously high that they are wanting such small insignificant details that will go unnoticed when actually playing the game. Keep doing what you are doing the game is looking great!

Ridiculously high is an understatement.

[A_Quiet_Pro]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

I see. Can you give me some examples of games on the PS4 or XB1 that display the type of cloth physics you are expecting while processing 50+ active instances? I'd really like to check them out.

I dont know how good of an example this is, but I will say FIFA 14 on PS4 has great cloth physics. (wrinkles organically, wind effects it naturally, it interacts with the environment realistically). Again, not sure just how good an example this is, but for MLB, what FIFA is doing would be a good start. (Don't get me wrong, what you guys are doing is good. But for what it seems like people are asking for, FIFA seems like it is it).

[Factzzz]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

My complaints about the graphics is the face and body skeleton look the exact same as ps3 except for the beard and hair. I assumed the game would look like that picture of Napoli that was posted.

But my biggest complaint is still the way the jerseys look. As posted above in the Pedroia pic. The sleeves just look really bad, the jerseys as a whole look stiff.



You can tell by just looking at this picture that the jerseys look and move realistically in this game, but when you look at pictures of the Show, the jerseys just look stiff and hard.

I'm not saying it has to be perfect obviously, but the jerseys look the same as last gen, and it is clear as day how much better the jerseys look in some other games.

Also another thing regarding the jerseys is they don't have an unbuttoned option, that's more of a personal gripe, but like half the league wears their jersey unbuttoned.

Don't get me wrong either, i'm not trying to slight your work, i definitely appreciate all of SCEA's work and also the interaction, but this is something that should be said.

[merchant1874]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

I dont know how good of an example this is, but I will say FIFA 14 on PS4 has great cloth physics. (wrinkles organically, wind effects it naturally, it interacts with the environment realistically). Again, not sure just how good an example this is, but for MLB, what FIFA is doing would be a good start. (Don't get me wrong, what you guys are doing is good. But for what it seems like people are asking for, FIFA seems like it is it).

FIFA cloth physics are great. Pretty sure NBA2k was decent too.

However I'm not sure those games are similar or the processes involved may differ.

They don't need to be perfect, but would be nice if they had a lighter look/feel to them rather than the heavily starched look they have at the moment.

These are "the little things" though.

[Factzzz]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Video and Developer Blog - Quick Counts and Player Lock

I'll save you some time Woodweaver, there isn't any examples because nobody has done this yet. It amazes me that some peoples expectations of this game is so ridiculously high that they are wanting such small insignificant details that will go unnoticed when actually playing the game. Keep doing what you are doing the game is looking great!


Edit: In some ways screenshots are not the best way to represent a game Like The Show, the best way to represent a game like this is to see it in motion.

Nobody's done what? Make realistic looking jerseys?

Because that's all that's being asked here, and that's definitely been done.