MLB 14 The Show - Top 9 Players at Each Position

[sk]

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Kinda surprised that Manny Machado wasn't in the top 9 for 3rd Base. I know he's only been in the league for 1 full year, but his defense is off the charts and he's a better hitter than Simmons (both are insane defensively and if Machado makes the move to his natural position of SS those 2 will be duking it out for best Short Stop in the league for years to come).

I'm guessing his ratings are taking a hit due to the injury he is coming off of, and that will be adjusted once he comes back and proves he has healed up from it.

Or is he sitting at an 83 or an 84 and just below Pablo so we can't see him? I mean that seems like a fair rating for a guy with only 1 full year under his belt but seeing how Andrelton Simmons is an 86 despite having only a few more weeks of MLB experience compared to Machado, you would think he would see a similar rating.

IMO as long as Hanley is healthy he's the best SS with Tulo right behind him.

[SirSpencAlot36]

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i have to say none of these ratings really make sense or portray how good some players really are

[SirSpencAlot36]

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Kinda surprised that Manny Machado wasn't in the top 9 for 3rd Base. I know he's only been in the league for 1 full year, but his defense is off the charts and he's a better hitter than Simmons (both are insane defensively and if Machado makes the move to his natural position of SS those 2 will be duking it out for best Short Stop in the league for years to come).

I'm guessing his ratings are taking a hit due to the injury he is coming off of, and that will be adjusted once he comes back and proves he has healed up from it.

Or is he sitting at an 83 or an 84 and just below Pablo so we can't see him? I mean that seems like a fair rating for a guy with only 1 full year under his belt but seeing how Andrelton Simmons is an 86 despite having only a few more weeks of MLB experience compared to Machado, you would think he would see a similar rating.

im also surprised Josh Donaldson isn't somewhere near there as well

[MrOldboy]

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It could be that The Show values offense more in the overal rating calculation for 3B and that Donaldson and Machado have lower offensive ratings than the other players. No saying they should, but each position in The Show uses different ratings in calculating the overall rating for players.

[decga]

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I see they have Heyward as the Braves CF OVR 84! Ok this guy was rated 93-94 in 13'. I don't agree with that. I just will have to edit him to me liking. His defensive attributes should be in the 90's. Last year 93-94 OVR was too high, but 84 is too low. IMO

[seanjeezy]

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It could be that The Show values offense more in the overal rating calculation for 3B and that Donaldson and Machado have lower offensive ratings than the other players. No saying they should, but each position in The Show uses different ratings in calculating the overall rating for players.

For Machado it's power, for Donaldson it's probably his first two years since they do account for 33% of his ratings.

This is how the game values ratings for third basemen:

Power>Hitting>Fielding>Arm Strength>Speed

[KMRblue1027]

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It's really weighted that way? That's some really flawed logic to have different forms of production weighted differently depending on a position. Having positional adjustments for defense is alright but power somehow being worth "more" to a 3rd baseman than to any other position just seems illogical.

Really the overalls should be calculated by some baseline, say 75 OVR for a full time starter as worth 0 runs plus or minus, aka a 2 WAR player. Than every maybe every point of OVR in either direction could be 2 runs so every five points = one more projected WAR. A 100 OVR would be a 7 projected WAR player, aka Trout/Kershaw. Replacement level would be at 65 OVR. The vast majority of MLB players would be between 70-82ish OVR, with maybe 15 or so 90+ players.

This would hopefully also solve the problem of The Show massively overrating 1st baseman.

[analogdan]

It's really weighted that way? That's some really flawed logic to have different forms of production weighted differently depending on a position. Having positional adjustments for defense is alright but power somehow being worth "more" to a 3rd baseman than to any other position just seems illogical.

Really the overalls should be calculated by some baseline, say 75 OVR for a full time starter as worth 0 runs plus or minus, aka a 2 WAR player. Than every maybe every point of OVR in either direction could be 2 runs so every five points = one more projected WAR. A 100 OVR would be a 7 projected WAR player, aka Trout/Kershaw. Replacement level would be at 65 OVR. The vast majority of MLB players would be between 70-82ish OVR, with maybe 15 or so 90+ players.

This would hopefully also solve the problem of The Show massively overrating 1st baseman.

It makes perfect sense. A shortstop who moves to 3rd base will have different value relative to other replacement-level 3rd basemen, even if they field the new position equally well. Context is important in statistics.

[bayman]

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It's really weighted that way? That's some really flawed logic to have different forms of production weighted differently depending on a position. Having positional adjustments for defense is alright but power somehow being worth "more" to a 3rd baseman than to any other position just seems illogical.

Really the overalls should be calculated by some baseline, say 75 OVR for a full time starter as worth 0 runs plus or minus, aka a 2 WAR player. Than every maybe every point of OVR in either direction could be 2 runs so every five points = one more projected WAR. A 100 OVR would be a 7 projected WAR player, aka Trout/Kershaw. Replacement level would be at 65 OVR. The vast majority of MLB players would be between 70-82ish OVR, with maybe 15 or so 90+ players.

This would hopefully also solve the problem of The Show massively overrating 1st baseman.

5 of the top 10 highest contracts in MLB are for 1Bs or at least were last season. Your opinion on the value of 1Bs is irrelevant to how a proper sim should have CPU GMs value them.

[homerjfry]

Generally like the ratings, but being a blatant Dodger homer here, I would put Zack Greinke with at least a 90 rating, and how is Kenley Jansen not 90 or higher!? That guy is a beast

Glad to see Adrian Gonzales is not in the top 10. Think he clearly slipped out of that the last few years.

[hysteria499]

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I hope they are counting on Manny Machado being hurt. Because seriously? He is better then A-Rod and most of those third basemen.And he is young to boot so under rated. Nick Markakis is one of your best right fielders as well some of the best D out there good discipline. Not on there because of one down year? J.J Hardy makes the list and is only a 83 overall? He has hit 20 or more homeruns in the last 3 years straight. Again one of the best defenders on there? Least he made the list I guess. I agree where Jones is though. I also agree where Matt and where Crush are as well. O'day and Hunter both had pretty good years in the pen as well. Other then my little issues I like what I see in the rest. Well put together honestly.

[WB1214]

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Why aren't people getting that made the formula for overall where there will be lower numbers? It's not that they just dropped your player off the planet with his actual ratings.

And if you don't like them, you can always edit them yourselves..

[DanH35]

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Why aren't people getting that made the formula for overall where there will be lower numbers? It's not that they just dropped your player off the planet with his actual ratings.

And if you don't like them, you can always edit them yourselves..

Exactly. They changed the way the overall ratings are calculated. It would probably be best to wait until seeing the player's contact/power/etc ratings before complaining about how they are rated.

[YeOldTonk]

King Felix is too low...

Totally agree. Was real surprised that he wasn't in at least the top 5, let alone top 3.

[wolfpack23]

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Why aren't people getting that made the formula for overall where there will be lower numbers? It's not that they just dropped your player off the planet with his actual ratings.

And if you don't like them, you can always edit them yourselves..

I totally agree with your point here. I feel that a rating of >90 should be reserved only for the best players. That being said I do like that players overall ratings are much lower this season as I would usually go in and edit ratings down in past seasons. Being an Oakland fan and a realist, I do not understand how Josh Donaldson is not higher than at least an 84 yet Cespedes somehow manages to capture an 88. I think those who follow Oakland and have a sense of reality would agree with me that his rating is way too high.

Side note: I can only speculate for now until I see the ratings. I also understand that Oakland players for the most part are going to receive lower ratings than most teams because they are built on pitching and platoons. It's hard to have high rated players when they only hit off of certain handed pitchers. Overall though I am beyond stoked to get my ps4 copy 5/6...in fact I am taking a vacation day from work to soak in all of it's majestic qualities