Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

[tgreer]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

Hey Doc, since you seem to be on top of things and there are TONS of questions and confusion (I think I know whats going on) Why don't you make a post in this thread with ALL details of each version. Then we can just reference anyone with questions to that post # instead of the confusion. Knight can check it out and make sure it is correct . Info like Lineup Edits, Razr Edits, Struts Motion and Stance(I am confused on this one) Stock Players, Pitchers, ETC. You seem like the man for the job!

Ok, I will give this a shot and edit what Knight tells me to in hope to keep all the info in 1 post:

ALL VERSIONS ARE SET TO REFLECT REAL OPENING DAY ROSTERS (AROD, MAUER, ETC. ARE IN AAA) ANY TRANSACTIONS AFTER OPENING DAY YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE ON YOUR OWN

ALL VERSIONS HAVE REAL MINOR LEAGUE PLAYERS INCLUDING ATTRIBUTES TRUE TO LIFE

Version 1 FULL MINORS FIXED LINEUPS:

(1) All Minors are real players (some of the AAA and AA lineups need adjusted)
(2) Knight made some adjustments to player attributes to "fix" the lineup problem
(3) Razr's pitch edits are in (gave the pitcher's their correct real life pitches and movement)

Version 1A FULL MINORS FIXED LINEUPS:

Same as Version 1 except Knight adjusted the AAA and AA lineups and rotations as close to real life as possible

Version 2 FULL MINORS SCEA POSITION PLAYER ATTRIBUTES RESET:

(1) All Minors are real players
(2) Knight will readjust the atrributes he moved to fix the lineup problem back to SCEA Stock attributes using the 4/20 SCEA Roster (this is for position players only)
(3) Razr's pitch edits are in

Version 3: (NOT RELEASED YET)

(1) All Minors are real players
(2) SCEA Stock attributes for positon players
(3) SCEA Stock attributes for pitchers (He will take Razr's edits and move them back to SCEA pitches)

Version 4: (NOT RELEASED YET)

(1) All Minors are real players
(2) Knight will make his own changes as he sees fit to improve gameplay

I am not sure of which versions, if any Strut's Stances and Pitching Motions are in, will edit when I find out. Also, Razr will be adjusting Pitcher's Stamina to be more realistic, again not sure which versions this will be in

These are not for sure in the correct order that they will be done, will edit when I find out

[Bahnzo]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

I'd like to see this as well. I'm completely confused with what is what. I'd like to see Millenium's stickied post with this information and links to each roster. Then we could keep all the info and the links in one easy to find post, instead of having to search through this large thread.

And it's done. Heh...thanks Millennium!

[Millennium]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

And it's done. Heh...thanks Millennium!

[Lenkbron]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

Thanks a lot for your hard work guys, especially Knight, it is really appriciated.

[wilb626]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

Ok, I will give this a shot and edit what Knight tells me to in hope to keep all the info in 1 post:

ALL VERSIONS ARE SET TO REFLECT REAL OPENING DAY ROSTERS (AROD, MAUER, ETC. ARE IN AAA) ANY TRANSACTIONS AFTER OPENING DAY YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE ON YOUR OWN

ALL VERSIONS HAVE REAL MINOR LEAGUE PLAYERS INCLUDING ATTRIBUTES TRUE TO LIFE

Version 1:

(1) All Minors are real players (some of the AAA and AA lineups need adjusted)
(2) Knight made some adjustments to player attributes to "fix" the lineup problem
(3) Razr's pitch edits are in (gave the pitcher's their correct real life pitches and movement)

Version 2:

Same as Version 1 except Knight adjusted the AAA and AA lineups and rotations as close to real life as possible

Version 3: (NOT RELEASED YET)

(1) All Minors are real players
(2) Knight will readjust the atrributes he moved to fix the lineup problem back to SCEA Stock attributes using the 4/20 SCEA Roster (this is for position players only)
(3) Razr's pitch edits are in

Version 4: (NOT RELEASED YET)

(1) All Minors are real players
(2) SCEA Stock attributes for positon players
(3) SCEA Stock attributes for pitchers (He will take Razr's edits and move them back to SCEA pitches)

Version 5: (NOT RELEASED YET)

(1) All Minors are real players
(2) Knight will make his own changes as he sees fit to improve gameplay

I am not sure of which versions, if any Strut's Stances and Pitching Motions are in, will edit when I find out. Also, Razr will be adjusting Pitcher's Stamina to be more realistic, again not sure which versions this will be in

These are not for sure in the correct order that they will be done, will edit when I find out

Knight said earlier today he is going to release a version with his edits bewteen v3 and v4. The question I have is will it be on both the "lineup fix" and "stock postion players" or just one??? Also I would imagine Strut is doing his pitching motion and stance edits with the "Lineup fix" version since Knight already sent them to him.

[DrUrsus]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

Hey Doc, since you seem to be on top of things and there are TONS of questions and confusion (I think I know whats going on) Why don't you make a post in this thread with ALL details of each version. Then we can just reference anyone with questions to that post # instead of the confusion. Knight can check it out and make sure it is correct . Info like Lineup Edits, Razr Edits, Struts Motion and Stance(I am confused on this one) Stock Players, Pitchers, ETC. You seem like the man for the job!

tgreer, just saw your post. Good job with that. Looks like you're the man for the job.

[DrUrsus]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

Thanks Millenium for the sticky.

[sinkdog]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

Being that this is a baseball game, there are some problems with the computer's management of lineups. For example... think of the Indians and Grady Sizemore. In real life, Sizemore bats leadoff, right?

Well, after the computer is forced to make transactions (lets say someone gets hurt and they called someone up), it automatically re-optimizes the lineup. Instead of keeping Sizemore at leadoff, it'll say, "hm, this player has a good combination of contact and power -- let's hit him third in the lineup!"

What Knight did is basically go through and make as-mild-as-possible edits to some players so that when the computer re-optimizes lineups, they'll be much more likely to put players in lineup positions reflective of real life. So for instance... maybe with Sizemore, he (this is hypothetical) lowered his power, upped his contact a little and gave him a bit more speed. The ratings adjustments weren't extreme... so to us, he still plays like Sizemore and is for all intents-and-purposes, the same player. To the computer, though, he's more of a leadoff hitter!

To give another example: in MVP Baseball 2005, you'd often-times see Scott Rolen batting leadoff with the Blue Jays. It was mind-numbingly stupid! Knight's edits try to avoid stuff like this.

Basically... the computer is objective with the way it does lineups. Knight tried to fool it into being more subjective by making edits to attributes.


The current roster has (per fellow user Millenium):



OK, "stock" SCEA rosters are the rosters that you see when you first load up the game.

"Updated SCEA numbers" refers to players attributes that have been changed in SCEA updates. What are those updates? Well, when you log on to play online, it forces you to download the latest rosters. It also allows you to save those rosters for use offline. Sometimes in those updates, players have their ratings adjusted... that's what "updated SCEA numbers" means.


Knight has received help from numerous people, including a guy by the name of RAZR. RAZR went through and edited pitches in the game so that their repertoire more closely-resembles the pitches these guys throw in real life.

For example, a lot of pitches in real life have fastballs with a lot of movement. What he did with a lot of pitches was took their 4-seam fastball, and replaced it with either a two-seam fastball or a rising fastball, to simulate fastballs that have natural movement.

"Stock SCEA" pitches would mean that it would be Knight's rosters (full minor leagues, etc), but removing RAZR's edits.

For example, let's look at Chris Carpenter:
"Stock" Carpenter: 4-seam fastball
"Knight's/RAZR's" Carpenter: Sinker

If you used Knight's, Carpenter would have a Sinker instead of a 4-seam fastball. Again, the idea is to simulate pitcher's who have a lot of natural movement on their fastball...


"Stock SCEA Rosters" are those that you see when you first load up the game for the first time. In other words, you haven't downloaded anything online.


It doesn't, because it's not possible to do this with the way the game is set up.


In summary... Knight is releasing different versions.

One of them will include a lot of edits to players (this helps with better CPU lineup management, more accurate and realistic pitch repertoires), and another will use the default SCEA ratings (or the updated ones, depending on what people prefer more). BOTH OF THEM will include COMPLETE minor leagues.

I hope this helps you man! If you need me to elaborate or clarify, let me know.

Thank you so much for answering this for me!! I really appreciate it.

Now, I need to figure out which roster to download. Basically, I'm just looking the most realistic experience overall -- without having to do much tweaking myself. Keep in mind, I'm a newbie to this game, so I don't want to struggle with trying to get hits.

Thanks in advance!!!

[Rated R]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

Great job to Knight and everyone who worked on these roster!
1 last question knight,, are both of the SCEA stock rosters your coming out with are goin to have the attributes from the 4/20 update??

[franch1se]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

great rosters as always, a few questionable players making it and some who are missing still but thats to be expected..

and Knight....where Mr. Startup !!!

hahaha

[koebsual]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

winniethepujols = poster of the day! Very nice of you to help a fellow OS member out! I am patiently waiting for V3 tonight. I will start my franchise and edit all the %$^$% walkup/hr songs too. I forget, can we edit the songs as we go during our franchise? If so that will make me much happier.

[chasmalgrat3]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

So if v3 is going to be based off of the 4/20 SCEA Roster does that mean it won't have the stat glitch (until the 4/27 SCEA roster is out)

[Jason_19]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

I would imagine Strut is doing his pitching motion and stance edits with the "Lineup fix" version since Knight already sent them to him.

Does anyone know if this is true?

[Goose158]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

Does anyone know if this is true?

I am curious about this also. Can anyone confirm this? I want to wait for Knights rosters with Struts stances and motions to start my season. I know that Knight mentioned that Strut had the file, but haven't heard any mention of this in any desciptions of the rosters.

[brettryantalley]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors '09 - Discussion Thread

So if v3 is going to be based off of the 4/20 SCEA Roster does that mean it won't have the stat glitch (until the 4/27 SCEA roster is out)

no...all of knights rosters are based of the original rosters. when they mean "updated" for knights stock edits, they mean that the attributes that he will be giving the players will be based on the stock ratings from the updated roster.