O.S. Full Minors 2010

[bigal093]

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i've seen many way off potentials just on the pirates. Paul Maholm, Zach Duke, Charlie Morton all Ds, while Daniel McCutchen is an A and Ross Ohlendorf is only a C, should be at least B....Evan Meek is also a D coming off a great season and he's in his mid 20s. I can assume there are also some other major issues throughout other teams. Whatever you guys all decide to do is cool obviously, but i think it would be less work waiting for another fix, then to jump around all of these hoops with fake players and these bad potentials too. I mean Daniel McCutchen an A? probably a B, but NOBODY has him at A. I know its only one letter but its a matter of principle that its obviously wrong, that makes me wonder how many others are even more off. I think you guys should hold up. take it for what its worth.....

[TNKNGM]

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My opinon is - just start the rosters!

There is no guarantee that the next roster update will be any better, so just get cracking on the rosters. There is no doubt in my mind that w/ Knight & Ridin working together with Ksig - we are all in for the best baseball gaming experience possible.

[jtc324]

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How has the recent hacking of the ps3 going to affect the way the rosters are created for mlb 10. Will we be able to make unlimited edits to players now (i.e service time, career stats, position edits)?

[RidinDwnKingsley]

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I completely agree with the rest of you, but here is what I am worried about potential wise. I am afraid that if we create 500 players that some of the c,d guys that may move up the ladder may be ousted by the games intelligence generator, which means all these good minor leaguers will be replaced by SCEA fake minors guys. Those guys are annoying and makes for a very unrealistic playing experience Franchise wise. I have also come to the conclusion that the players like Bailey that are D's are because they are going to be played with by users and their ability may increase as well as their potential. What did you find out from the simming Ridin?

from the seasons i simmed ahead I didnt see anything weird or out of line with the prospects...like I said I did see A's become B and C's looks all relative too me, nothing that jumped out at me....the ratings do jump up and down, I saw top prospects who were B's progress nicely and even pass out players who were originally A's..i have been toying with this roster for hours now and I say its good to go!

[TNKNGM]

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from the seasons i simmed ahead I didnt see anything weird or out of line with the prospects...like I said I did see A's become B and C's looks all relative too me, nothing that jumped out at me....the ratings do jump up and down, I saw top prospects who were B's progress nicely and even pass out players who were originally A's..i have been toying with this roster for hours now and I say its good to go!

I am offering to help with anything you guys need.......I added a ton of the players that are on the roster makers resource website.

[Sacrafice]

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from the seasons i simmed ahead I didnt see anything weird or out of line with the prospects...like I said I did see A's become B and C's looks all relative too me, nothing that jumped out at me....the ratings do jump up and down, I saw top prospects who were B's progress nicely and even pass out players who were originally A's..i have been toying with this roster for hours now and I say its good to go!

Are all the D guys that you would normally give a B or a C too progressing well?

[buttsakk]

Re: O.S. Full Minors 2010

My opinon is - just start the rosters!

There is no guarantee that the next roster update will be any better, so just get cracking on the rosters. There is no doubt in my mind that w/ Knight & Ridin working together with Ksig - we are all in for the best baseball gaming experience possible.

Agree with this 100%

Can't wait for the rosters!

[TheRunAndShoot]

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Rage posted this in another thread....

I downloaded the new rosters online. If you have the wacked-out potentials even if you have logged on to sportsconnect, you will have to do the following:

1) Go on Sportsconnect
2) Download and Save Live Roster
3) Go offline
4) Load up the Live Roster

You should have the new rosters with the potential fixes.

For reference (From my list last week, and additional notable players):
*NOTE: My initial proposed potentials were based on the roster out of the box.
**DISCLAIMER - Based on last year, potentials may change on download of the live roster (I remember I would do this since potential would change each time in previous games)**

Baltimore Orioles
Nick Markakis (B/A) - B - Same
Garrett Atkins (C/B) - C - Same
Jim Johnson (F/C) - F - Same
Brian Matusz (B/A) - A - Increased
Brad Bergesen (D/B) - B - Increased
Cla Meredith (F/C) - F- Same
Robert Andino (F/C) - F - Same

Boston Red Sox
Dustin Pedroia (C/B) - A - Increased
John Lackey (B/A) - B - Same
Jon Lester (C/A) - A - Increased
Daniel Bard (C/B) - A - Increased
Jed Lowrie (D/C) - A - Increased
Jeremy Hermida (D/C) - C - Increased
Josh Reddick (D/C) - D - Same

New York Yankees
Robinson Cano (D/B) - B - Increased
Chad Gaudin (D/C) - D - Same
Alfredo Aceves (D/C) - D - Same
Nick Swisher (C/B) - C - Same

Tampa Bay Rays
Evan Longoria (C/A) - A - Increased
Matt Garza (C/A) - B - Increased
J.P. Howell (D/B) - C - Increased
B.J. Upton (B/A) - A - Increased
Willy Aybar (F/C) - F - Same
Dioner Navarro (D/C) - C - Increased

Toronto Blue Jays
Aaron Hill (D/B) - B - Increased
Adam Lind (C/A) - A - Increased
Ricky Romero (B/A) - A - Increased
Jeremy Reed (D/C) - D - Same

Chicago White Sox
Carlos Quentin (D/B) - C - Increased
Gavin Floyd (D/B) - B - Increased
Mark Teahen (C/B) - C - Same
Dan Hudson (D/B) - B - Increased

Cleveland Indians
Grady Sizemore (D/A) - B - Increased
Shin-Soo Choo (D/A) - A - Increased
Asdrubal Cabrera (C/B) - A - Increased
Fausto Carmona (D/B) - C - Increased
Chris Perez (D/B) - A - Increased
Justin Masterson (C/B) - A - Increased
Joe Smith (D/C) - D - Same
Jake Westbrook (C/B) - C - Same
Jhonny Peralta (D/C) - D - Same
Jeremy Sowers (D/C) - D - Same
Michael Brantley (D/B) - A - Increased
Trevor Crowe (D/C) - C - Increased
Andy Marte (D/C) - D - Same

Detroit Tigers
Miguel Cabrera (D/A) - A - Increased
Justin Verlander (D/A) - B - Increased
Rick Porcello (B/A) - A - Increased
Max Scherzer (B/A) - A - Increased
Jeremy Bonderman (F/C) - F - Same
Armando Galarraga (C/B) - C - Same
Robinson Diaz (F/C) - F - Same

Kansas City Royals
Zack Greinke (B/A) - A - Increased
Joakim Soria (B/A) - A - Increased
Billy Butler (C/B) - B - Increased
Robinson Tejeda (D/C) - D - Same
Luke Hochevar (C/B) - C - Same
Chris Getz (C/B) - C - Same
Scott Podsednik (C/B) - C - Same
Alex Gordon (A/B) - A - Same
Mike Aviles (C/B) - C - Same
Josh Fields (D/C) - D - Same
Alberto Callaspo (D/B) - D - Same
Brian Anderson (F/C) - F - Same

Minnesota Twins
Joe Mauer (C/A) - A - Increased
Kevin Slowey (C/B) - B - Increased
Delmon Young (A/B) - A - Same
Jason Kubel (D/C) - C - Increased
J.J. Hardy (D/C) - D - Same
Glen Perkins (D/C) - D - Same
Brendan Harris (D/C) - D - Same
Anthony Swarzak (D/C) - D - Same

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
Kendry Morales (C/A) - A - Increased
Juan Rivera (A/B) - A - Same
Jered Weaver (D/B) - A - Increased
Scott Kazmir (D/A) - C - Increased
Ervin Santana (D/B) - C - Increased
Jeff Mathis (D/C) - B - Increased

Oakland Athletics
Andrew Bailey (C/A) - A - Increased
Kurt Suzuki (C/B) - A - Increased
Dallas Braden (D/B) - C - Increased
Jerry Blevins (F/C) - D - Increased
Daric Barton (D/C) - B - Increased
Brad Ziegler (C/B) - C - Same
Kevin Kouzmanoff (C/B) - C - Same
Josh Outman (C/B) - B - Increased
Jake Fox (D/C) - C - Increased
Edgar Gonzalez (F/C) - F - Same
Gio Gonzalez (D/C) - A - Increased

Seattle Mariners
Felix Hernandez (C/A) - A - Increased
Franklin Gutierrez (D/B) - B - Increased
Mark Lowe (D/C) - D - Same
Ryan Rowland-Smith (D/B) - B - Increased
Brandon League (D/C) - D - Same
Jose Lopez (D/B) - D - Same
Eric Byrnes (B/C) - B - Same
Casey Kotchman (D/B) - D - Same
Jason Vargas (F/C) - F - Same
Garrett Olson (D/C) - D - Same
Eliezer Alfonzo (D/C) - N/A (Not on Roster)

Texas Rangers
Ian Kinsler (D/A) - A - Increased
Scott Feldman (D/B) - B - Increased
Brandon McCarthy (F/B) - D - Increased
Darren O'Day (D/B) - B - Increased
David Murphy (C/B) - C - Same
Julio Borbon (D/B) - A - Increased
Jarrod Saltalamacchia (D/C) - C - Increased
Taylor Teagarden (D/C) - A - Increased
Max Ramirez (D/C) - A - Increased

Atlanta Braves
Brian McCann (D/A) - A - Increased
Jair Jurrjens (C/B) - B - Increased
Martin Prado (D/B) - B - Increased
Eric O'Flaherty (D/B) - D - Same
Kenshin Kawakami (C/B) - C - Same
Melky Cabrera (D/B) - D - Same
David Ross (D/C) - D - Same
Eric Hinske (D/C) - D - Same
James Parr (F/C) - D - Increased

Florida Marlins
Hanley Ramirez (C/A) - A - Increased
Josh Johnson (B/A) - A - Increased
Leo Nunez (D/B) - D - Same
Anibal Sanchez (C/B) - C - Same
Renyel Pinto (F/C) - F - Same
Andrew Miller (D/C) - B - Increased
Rick Vandenhurk (D/C) - D - Same
Sean West (C/B) - A - Increased
Wes Helms (D/C) - D - Same
Cameron Maybin (A/B) - A - Increased
Emilio Bonifacio (D/C) - C - Increased

Washington Nationals
Ryan Zimmerman (D/A) - A - Increased
Adam Dunn (B/A) - B - Same
Matt Capps (D/B) - D - Same
John Lannan (C/B) - C - Same
Scott Olsen (F/B) - B - Increased
Josh Willingham (C/B) - C - Same
Jesus Flores (D/C) - C - Increased
Sean Burnett (D/C) - D - Same
Ross Detwiler (C/B) - C - Same
Ian Desmond (D/B) - A - Increased
Alberto Gonzalez (F/C) - F - Same

New York Mets
Jose Reyes (F/A) - B- Increased
David Wright (F/A) - A - Increased
Jeff Francoeur (D/B) - D - Same
Gary Matthews Jr. (B/C) - B - Same
Andersen Hernandez (F/C) - F - Same
Fernando Nieve (F/C) - F - Same
Alex Cora (D/C) - D - Same

Philadelphia Phillies
Cole Hamels (C/A) - A - Increased
J.A. Happ (C/B) - A - Increased
Jamie Moyer (A/B) - A - Same
Kyle Kendrick (F/B) - C - Increased
Juan Castro (D/C) - D - Same

Chicago Cubs
Carlos Marmol (D/B) - A - Increased
Randy Wells (C/B) - B - Increased
Geovany Soto (C/B) - A - Increased
Xavier Nady (C/B) - C - Same
Sean Marshall (F/C) - F - Same
Tom Gorzelanny (D/C) - D - Same
Mike Fontenot (D/C) - D - Same
Chad Tracy (D/C) - D - Same
Micah Hoffpauir (D/C) - D - Same

Cincinnati Reds
Nick Masset (D/B) - D - Same
Homer Bailey (A/B) - A - Same
Micah Owings (D/C) - C - Increased
Carlos Fisher (D/C) - C - Increased
Josh Anderson (D/C) - D - Same
Chris Dickerson (D/C) - A - Increased
Daniel Ray Herrera (D/B) - A - Increased
Matt Maloney (D/C) - B - Increased
Wladamir Balentien (D/C) - B - Increased
Miguel Cairo (D/C) - D - Same
Paul Janish (D/C) - B - Increased
Justin Lehr (D/C) - D - Same
Pedro Viola (D/C) - D - Same
Wilkin Castillo (D/C) - A - Increased
Drew Sutton (D/C) - B - Increased
Kevin Barker (D/C) - N/A - (Not on Roster)
Jared Burton (C/B) - C - Same
*Credit to ThirdDegree5803

Houston Astros
Hunter Pence (C/A) - A - Increased
Wandy Rodriguez (B/A) - B - Same
Michael Bourn (D/B) - B - Increased
Tommy Manzella (D/B) - A - Increased
Geoff Blum (D/C) - D - Same
J.R. Towles (B/C) - B - Same

Milwaukee Brewers
Prince Fielder (B/A) - A - Increased
Corey Hart (D/B) - B - Increased
Casey McGehee (F/B) - C - Increased
Doug Davis (C/B) - C - Same
Manny Parra (D/C) - D - Same
Rickie Weeks (D/B) - C - Increased
Trent Oeltjen (F/C) - F - Same

Pittsburgh Pirates
Zach Duke (D/B) - D - Same
Paul Maholm (D/C) - D - Same
Akinori Iwamura (C/B) - C - Same
Evan Meek (D/B) - D - Same
Ross Ohlendorf (D/B) - C - Increased
Lasting Milledge (A/B) - A - Same
Kevin Hart (D/C) - B - Increased
Daniel McCutchen (D/C) - A - Increased
Charlie Morton (D/C) - D - Same
Delwyn Young (F/D) - C - Increased
Neil Walker (D/C) - A - Increased

St. Louis Cardinals
Yadier Molina (D/A) - C- Increased
Kyle McClellan (D/C) - D - Same
Blake Hawksworth (D/B) - C - Increased
Brendan Ryan (D/C) - C - Increased
Skip Schumaker (C/B) - C - Same
Jason Motte (D/C) - A - Increased

Arizona Diamondbacks
Mark Reynolds (D/A) - A- Increased
Miguel Montero (D/B) - B - Increased
Juan Gutierrez (D/B) - B - Increased
Stephen Drew (C/B) - B - Increased
Conor Jackson (D/B) - C - Increased
Chris Young (C/B) - B - Increased
Clay Zavada (D/C) - B - Increased
Billy Buckner (D/C) - C - Increased
Carlos Corporan (D/C) - D - Same
Ian Kennedy (D/C) - B - Increased
Tony Abreu (D/C) - C - Increased
Drew Macias (D/C) - D - Same

Colorado Rockies
Huston Street (D/A) - B - Increased
Troy Tulowitzki (B/A) - A - Increased
Jeff Francis (B/A) - B - Same
Chris Iannetta (D/B) - B - Increased
Jorge de la Rosa (C/B) - C - Same
Matt Daley (D/C) - B - Increased
Jason Hammel (D/C) - B - Increased
Manuel Corpas (D/C) - D - Same
Jhoulys Chacin (C/B) - C - Same

Los Angeles Dodgers
Jonathan Broxton (D/A) - A - Increased
Rafael Furcal (A/B) - A - Same
Andre Ethier (B/A) - B - Same
Ronald Belisario (C/B) - B - Increased
Russell Martin (D/B) - C - Increased
Cory Wade (D/C) - B - Increased
James McDonald (C/B) - A - Increased
Charlie Haeger (F/C) - F - Same
Jason Repko (F/D) - F - Same

San Diego Padres
Adrian Gonzalez (D/A) - A - Increased
Luke Gregerson (D/B) - A - Increased
Kevin Correia (C/B) - C - Same
Chase Headley (A/B) - A - Same
Matt Stairs (A/B) - A - Same
Wade LeBlanc (B/C) - B - Same
Edward Mujica (D/C) - D - Same
Sean Gallagher (C/B) - C - Same
Everth Cabrera (D/B) - A - Increased
Tim Stauffer (D/C) - D - Same
Clayton Richard (D/C) - B - Increased
Adam Russell (D/C) - B - Increased
Greg Burke (F/C) - N/A (Not on Roster)
Tony Gwynn (D/C) - C - Increased
Luis Perdomo (F/D) - F - Same
Nick Hundley (D/C) - B - Increased
Will Venable (D/B) - A - Increased
Cesar Ramos (F/C) - F - Same
Ryan Webb (D/C) - B - Increased
Luis Durango (F/C) - F - Same
Mark Worrell (F/C) - C - Increased
*Note: There is a reliever named Trever Padres...

San Francisco Giants
Tim Lincecum (B/A) - A - Increased
Matt Cain (C/A) - A - Increased
Brian Wilson (C/A) - A - Increased
Pablo Sandoval (B/A) - A - Increased
Sergio Romo (D/B) - A - Increased
Jonathan Sanchez (D/B) - B - Increased
Aaron Rowand (C/B) - C - Same
Nate Schierholtz (D/C) - B - Increased
Emmanuel Burriss (D/C) - B - Increased
Eugenio Velez (F/C) - B - Increased

*Note: It appears that there are still a lot of A-potential minor league pitching prospects (generic players, not including real-prospects like Brian Matusz, Buster Posey, etc.).
Count:
A pitchers: 121
A position players: 21

However, the new roster has addressed the obvious potential problems.

Personally I think waiting another week to let scea fix some of these guys might not be a bad thing. Sure they might not fix it but they might end up fixing it. Do we really want to be using rosters that are semi-broken all year? If they change the rosters for the worse next week we can just use this weeks set.

[GoBucs09]

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Just wow looking at that list. Seriously, the only thing SCEA should work on for next year is making sure the rosters, potential ratings and franchise works. If they can't get that right then why bother.

[tbunz1324]

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how do you download the rosters from the roster makers website, also how do you import them into the show?

[ssxtricky30]

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Well in regards to the MLB players potential, not everybody will see eye to eye on it. Its never going to be perfect, waiting for something that may not get better may not be for the best.

And as far as the prospects, yeah its a little unbalanced obviously. But the ratings do jump and down as the seasons continue. And if it was very unbalanced then im sure SCEA wouldnt have released it how it did. Im pretty sure its all going to work out in the end, but its dissappointing still.

I think the overhaul on the rosters should just start as it is instead of waiting for a "maybe."

But I appreciate all the work put into this, so with that being said... I personally have no issue in waiting longer. Whatever gets decided is good with me.

[Double Deuce]

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Has anyone yet determined what exactly causes a player's potential to go up/down? Is it completely random, or does it always happen in a certain scenario? Like, if player with a B potential has X ratings, and he outperforms those ratings by X amount, will he always move up to an A? Or if he does way worse than his ratings would suggest, does he always drop to a C or D?

Just curious, haven't had time to mess with it myself yet.

[bigal093]

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Well in regards to the MLB players potential, not everybody will see eye to eye on it. Its never going to be perfect, waiting for something that may not get better may not be for the best.

And as far as the prospects, yeah its a little unbalanced obviously. But the ratings do jump and down as the seasons continue. And if it was very unbalanced then im sure SCEA wouldnt have released it how it did. Im pretty sure its all going to work out in the end, but its dissappointing still.

I think the overhaul on the rosters should just start as it is instead of waiting for a "maybe."

But I appreciate all the work put into this, so with that being said... I personally have no issue in waiting longer. Whatever gets decided is good with me.

I am not saying this to you or trying to be mean in the way i say this, but i am so sick of people using the potential fluctuation as an excuse. Potential affects rating during the season....and people like zach duke have a bad potential(D)...its wrong.

Say he starts the first half with a 2.46 era. Progressively throughout the entire season, he will decline, making him perform worse that season. Then at the end of the season, it will show that he lost like 5 ovr. HE WILL NOT get 5 ovr worse next year in 11 the show if he say had a 2.46 era in real life. Maybe his potential would go up maybe not. but regardless, the game will make him get worse at a D potential b/c he is a B or A ovr player as of now.

i have a simmed a little too, and i am not seeing potentials go up. the problem is duke wont pitch a 2.46 era. he might have a 3.9 or 4.1. this is about where he's at, and shows he's better than D potential. he would be B to maintain his current stats maybe increase b/c he's young...well he should increase. anyway in the game he'll go down 5 points throughout the season even though he had a decent season. his potential will not increase, and then he'll do worse the next year b/c he'll be rated lower.
THIS is the problem with starting the rosters now. and i really haven't seen anyone go up in potential scanning the rosters around the league after a season or two, and nobody on the pirates went up. even guys that obviously have the wrong potential ratings. The adaptive potential is a nice complement to what we had last year, but it wont make these rosters even near the quality of last year or any year. This is fact you cannot get around this issue.

[adamj2281]

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Has anyone commented on the budgets as you simulate forward, they are way out of proportion again this year, it's not so much the contracts but the team budgets themselves. Any thoughts of making a workaround so that they are somewhat in-line?

[ssxtricky30]

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I am not saying this to you or trying to be mean in the way i say this, but i am so sick of people using the potential fluctuation as an excuse. Potential affects rating during the season....and people like zach duke have a bad potential(D)...its wrong.

Say he starts the first half with a 2.46 era. Progressively throughout the entire season, he will decline, making him perform worse that season. Then at the end of the season, it will show that he lost like 5 ovr. HE WILL NOT get 5 ovr worse next year in 11 the show if he say had a 2.46 era in real life. Maybe his potential would go up maybe not. but regardless, the game will make him get worse at a D potential b/c he is a B or A ovr player as of now.

i have a simmed a little too, and i am not seeing potentials go up. the problem is duke wont pitch a 2.46 era. he might have a 3.9 or 4.1. this is about where he's at, and shows he's better than D potential. he would be B to maintain his current stats maybe increase b/c he's young...well he should increase. anyway in the game he'll go down 5 points throughout the season even though he had a decent season. his potential will not increase, and then he'll do worse the next year b/c he'll be rated lower.
THIS is the problem with starting the rosters now. and i really haven't seen anyone go up in potential scanning the rosters around the league after a season or two, and nobody on the pirates went up. even guys that obviously have the wrong potential ratings. The adaptive potential is a nice complement to what we had last year, but it wont make these rosters even near the quality of last year or any year. This is fact you cannot get around this issue.

No worries man. And I guess I shoulda added that I personally dont agree with these new updated potential ratings all that much still. Just like you mentioned with Duke being a D, (And I heard that Omar Vizquel is an "A"?) Thats not realistic at all, but the problem to me is... How do you know that SCEA will change the potential ratings again?

I mean if SCEA already came out and said they will still make modifications towards these potential ratings for Pro's and Prospects then by all means I hope they wait before they start these custom rosters.

Thats why I said it may be the best its going to get. I hope SCEA decides to take another swing at it and correct it some more.