Fictional Rosters

[Splitter77]

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Watch what you say or you'll find yourself volunteering for a division!

Just kidding (though we're still looking for volunteers ) Boy, these smileys are addicting .

Thanks for the encouragement!

I know. haha
I used to do all that stuff about 10 years ago. No time for it any more. I barely have time to play the game.

Im just upset because Ive been asking for SCEA to implement the fictional player fantasy draft in their game since 2008. This was in high heat 2001 for the pc, and it adds so much playability to the franchise mode.

[BoSoxPujols]

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Also, there are several competing themes to choose from. I like TripleThreat's idea of riffing off of the team name or the team location. The Seattle Mariner's were going to be grunge singers, the Nationals would be named after famous Americans and ex-Presidents, etc. On the other hand, BoSox had the idea of following the model from Ken Griffey Baseball. All of the names for those teams similarly revolved around themes, but those themes weren't connected to real MLB team names.

TripleThreats idea and "my" Ken Griffey Jr's idea is really similar and pretty much the same.

The first KG baseball followed a "theme" more than KG Jr's Winning Run.

If we are going to do one I'd rather shade towards doing the original Ken Griffey Jr. format of having each team's players names kind of themed after the city. Boston=famous Boston patriots/people(Sam Adams, etc) Chicago named after famous people and landmarks there(Alan Capone, etc) On down the line for all the teams.

Obviously every player on every team doesn't need a themed name but it would be neat/cool etc to have some main guys with those names.
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I guess the above is my buiggest point and maybe something I didn't clarify right off the bat(pun).

I wasn't advocating every player on every team having a themed name. Just some/a decent amount. IMO it gives the roster more character and if I did the Cubs I'd right off the bat make most likely 12/25 man roster Chicago themed names. I'd coordinate with the White Sox guy as well so we don't have doubles.

[TripleThreat1973]

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I also wanted to say that if a person wanted to make "team types", rather than trying to trade players all over the roster, etc ... the easiest way would just be to edit the players on that team (in game) and just increase or decrease the slider for that attribute. Want a fast team? Just go in and increase each players speed slider. Would probably take 10 minutes for the whole team.

Also, there isn;t any reason that epople couldnt be working on players and faces now ... which cna imported later. Im talking about unique players such as Paste, etc that people already have an idea for.

Im finishing up fielding ratings (a little bit more tricky because each position has to be done individuall and then you do need to go through and make sure ratings align with positions ... a CF with a reaction 0f 28 would not be acceptable ... same thing with speed really).

Ill either send the spreadsheet to Raleigh or have it available at sendspace or whatver (never uploaded files before, so Ill have to start an account).

I agree with whoever said that The Show should have a fictional player generator for franchise. I get the feeling that franchise isnt a big deal for the show, that its all RTTS and online. This is where not being on the PC kills the franchise. PC guys tend to be franchise guys and console guys tend to be "gamers".

Really, from here on out, Id expect the focus of games to be on graphics and online play. I dont think the franchise guys let their voices be heard enough. Probably because they tend to an older age.

[raleigh mcclure]

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TripleThreats idea and "my" Ken Griffey Jr's idea is really similar and pretty much the same.

The first KG baseball followed a "theme" more than KG Jr's Winning Run.

If we are going to do one I'd rather shade towards doing the original Ken Griffey Jr. format of having each team's players names kind of themed after the city. Boston=famous Boston patriots/people(Sam Adams, etc) Chicago named after famous people and landmarks there(Alan Capone, etc) On down the line for all the teams.

Obviously every player on every team doesn't need a themed name but it would be neat/cool etc to have some main guys with those names.
^^^^^
I guess the above is my buiggest point and maybe something I didn't clarify right off the bat(pun).

I wasn't advocating every player on every team having a themed name. Just some/a decent amount. IMO it gives the roster more character and if I did the Cubs I'd right off the bat make most likely 12/25 man roster Chicago themed names. I'd coordinate with the White Sox guy as well so we don't have doubles.

BoSox,

I didn't mean it to sound like I was disparaging your idea and I probably wasn't clear enough. All I meant is that for any given team, if you choose to do ex-President's, you wouldn't also be doing famous Hollywood actors, if you choose to do (as Turpintine mentioned) players from the wrestling text-sim game he was talking about, you probably wouldn't also do names from your high school yearbook. That's all I meant by competing ideas. Not that they all aren't similar, but you would have to make choices. And then there would have to be some way of settling the matter of which theme to go with. That's why I think we do the generic roster now and then leave it wide open for anyone that wants to name all of the Redsox players after astronauts, the Cubs after chefs from the food network, and the Giants after famous psychologists. I'm sure Freud could put his death drive into some pretty mean fastballs!

[raleigh mcclure]

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OK, I'm thinking that TripleThreat is right about doing a generic roster first. The problem is that I've been telling everyone to go ahead and include a handful of players to make however they want.

So, how about we do both:

We'll edit the thirty players from the spreadsheet just how they are (there will still be plenty of creativity here with the appearances). Then send me a separate file with the handful of players that you take creative license with. Or include them in the same file, and just make sure I can figure out which ones they are.

I'll take responsibility for making two rosters, the first will be the generic one and for the second roster I'll import the extra guys, such as "Paste" and whoever else.

Before I post this on the first page of the thread, I'll wait for any objections from the people that have already volunteered. What do you all think?

[BoSoxPujols]

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BoSox,

I didn't mean it to sound like I was disparaging your idea and I probably wasn't clear enough. All I meant is that for any given team, if you choose to do ex-President's, you wouldn't also be doing famous Hollywood actors, if you choose to do (as Turpintine mentioned) players from the wrestling text-sim game he was talking about, you probably wouldn't also do names from your high school yearbook.

Yeah. I got ya. I wouldn't mix and match themes.

I'll post the list of teams later with possible themes next to them just for starters.

OK, I'm thinking that TripleThreat is right about doing a generic roster first. The problem is that I've been telling everyone to go ahead and include a handful of players to make however they want.

So, how about we do both:

We'll edit the thirty players from the spreadsheet just how they are (there will still be plenty of creativity here with the appearances). Then send me a separate file with the handful of players that you take creative license with. Or include them in the same file, and just make sure I can figure out which ones they are.

I'll take responsibility for making two rosters, the first will be the generic one and for the second roster I'll import the extra guys, such as "Paste" and whoever else.

Before I post this on the first page of the thread, I'll wait for any objections from the people that have already volunteered. What do you all think?

Soudns decent with me but I think before anyone does any editing we should figure out what the creative liscence will be with each team.

I guess in someways try and control the choas.

Personally I feel like if there are going to be two rosters sets have one be generic and one be set themes we decide on for each team. City themed makes the most sense and would be the easiest to do IMO. Also it would be the most interesting.

If people want to put Paste or whatever into the set that's fine. But make sure it's only on one team obviously.

[TripleThreat1973]

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Yeah. I got ya. I wouldn't mix and match themes.

I'll post the list of teams later with possible themes next to them just for starters.

Soudns decent with me but I think before anyone does any editing we should figure out what the creative liscence will be with each team.

I guess in someways try and control the choas.

Personally I feel like if there are going to be two rosters sets have one be generic and one be set themes we decide on for each team. City themed makes the most sense and would be the easiest to do IMO. Also it would be the most interesting.

If people want to put Paste or whatever into the set that's fine. But make sure it's only on one team obviously.

Once the generic roster is made, isn;t anything possible?

I say that with the understanding that changing player names is the easiest & quickest part of the whole deal.

Generic also allows the guy that wants the Astros to be Alamo Heroes and the guy that wants them to be Astronauts to both do what they want with the same roster ... only they each change 5 names on their own rosters.

If we go with "themed names", now everyone that downloads the roster has to change the names if they don;t like the "theme".

People could also create players upload them to the player vault and then everyone can pick and choose if they want that specific player in as well. I can imagine lots of folks are interested in Paste, Agua, Hendry, and some of the other fictional legends from previous baseball games.

Again, changing the names is the easiest, fastest, and most individual aspect of the roster.

In my own mind, i keep going bakc and forth whether I want to have themed names (sometimes seems cool, sometimes seems corny) or team tendencies (speed team, power team, etc), or just generic. If I download a generic roster, i can do any or all of them. Thats how I was looking at it.

[raleigh mcclure]

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Yeah. I got ya. I wouldn't mix and match themes.

I'll post the list of teams later with possible themes next to them just for starters.





Soudns decent with me but I think before anyone does any editing we should figure out what the creative liscence will be with each team.

I guess in someways try and control the choas.

Personally I feel like if there are going to be two rosters sets have one be generic and one be set themes we decide on for each team. City themed makes the most sense and would be the easiest to do IMO. Also it would be the most interesting.

If people want to put Paste or whatever into the set that's fine. But make sure it's only on one team obviously.

BoSox,

Absolutely. I think for the first generic roster, all I mean by creative license is that there will be a number of decisions that the spreadsheets won't cover. The spreadsheet will give you clues as to the ethnicity and skin tone, but the actual look of the face will be up to each editor. The spreadsheet will give you a name, but if it isn't in the database then the editor can find one that is. Batting stances and pitching deliveries will be up to each editor. I'd say just try to find a stance or delivery that makes sense for the type of player. If you're editing a contact hitting second baseman, you can find stances that look like they belong to a contact hitter. If you're editing a power pitcher, there are some deliveries that look more like that than others.

Once we get this first roster done, subsequent variations will be much easier to make.

[raleigh mcclure]

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People could also create players upload them to the player vault and then everyone can pick and choose if they want that specific player in as well. I can imagine lots of folks are interested in Paste, Agua, Hendry, and some of the other fictional legends from previous baseball games.

TripleThreat,

This is an even better idea than creating two rosters. Let's just create the generic roster, as you've suggested, and any other players that people want to make they can upload them to the Player Vault. I think that allows for the most flexibility and individual choice.

It doesn't make nearly as much sense to discuss and agonize over whether to include "Paste" and similar other players in the roster when we can just make them available for everyone via the Player Vault.

[BoSoxPujols]

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In my own mind, i keep going bakc and forth whether I want to have themed names (sometimes seems cool, sometimes seems corny) or team tendencies (speed team, power team, etc), or just generic. If I download a generic roster, i can do any or all of them. Thats how I was looking at it.

Fair enough.

BoSox,

Absolutely. I think for the first generic roster, all I mean by creative license is that there will be a number of decisions that the spreadsheets won't cover. The spreadsheet will give you clues as to the ethnicity and skin tone, but the actual look of the face will be up to each editor. The spreadsheet will give you a name, but if it isn't in the database then the editor can find one that is. Batting stances and pitching deliveries will be up to each editor. I'd say just try to find a stance or delivery that makes sense for the type of player. If you're editing a contact hitting second baseman, you can find stances that look like they belong to a contact hitter. If you're editing a power pitcher, there are some deliveries that look more like that than others.

Once we get this first roster done, subsequent variations will be much easier to make.

Soudns good.

I'm going to make my own spreadsheet now based on themed cities I have and start plugging in names to use.

TripleThreat,

This is an even better idea than creating two rosters. Let's just create the generic roster, as you've suggested, and any other players that people want to make they can upload them to the Player Vault. I think that allows for the most flexibility and individual choice.

It doesn't make nearly as much sense to discuss and agonize over whether to include "Paste" and similar other players in the roster when we can just make them available for everyone via the Player Vault.

Agree here.

[MR.RANDOM]

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i say for now we just go with generic and let each person be creative rather then use a mock of another creation..this our chance to be the games designer in an aspect...at least that my perspective..as for themes i will be deadlocked except for texas

[turpintine419]

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I agree having teams with player names that are themed may be a little off putting, sprinkling in an easter egg here or there would work on more of a local leval, where most people might not know who a Paste or Hendry is. Putting a team full of ex presidents may make people look at these a little funny, because people are going to know who Franky Roosevelt or Abe Lincoln are.

[raleigh mcclure]

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i say for now we just go with generic and let each person be creative rather then use a mock of another creation..this our chance to be the games designer in an aspect...at least that my perspective..as for themes i will be deadlocked except for texas

I'm not sure that I understand what you wrote. Are you saying you're on board with the plan of sticking to the spreadsheets? You can be as creative as you want with players that you upload to the player vault. For the roster, however, I think we're going to stick to the spreadsheets. Does that make sense?

As far as themes, I think that will be left for a separate project, too. So I guess it's OK that you're "deadlocked" (if I'm understanding you correctly) because we won't have to tweak any of the ratings from what's listed on the spreadsheet.

[biggerboat]

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Thanks biggerboat! I hope this turns out, too. If nothing else, we'll at least have the basics accomplished, and anyone that downloads this will only have some tweaking to do on their own. Also, as people have mentioned several times, the option to do a "fantasy draft" to begin a franchise would allow users to divide up the talent in any way they want. And TripleThreat mentioned this, that with fictional players, there's no need to feel bad about making outlandish trades, since it's not like you're breaking up the World Series Giant's pitching staff, or something.

I was just thinking how having a fictional rosters will make Spring Training actually mean something. More often then not that phase of the game is usually simmed through. Now you will actually have to play and manage these guys, get them innings and at bats. See who actually is going to make the 25 man. Adds a nice dimension to that part of the game.

[Go!Cubs!Go!]

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Hey guys!

I'm down for helping. I have read the thread (I say this because people are getting blazed in full minors for not) but not sure who to talk to or what is needed. Just let me know and I'm ready to pitch in.