Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

[jseward92]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Well, so for the official OSFM roster none of the SCEA players are to be edited or to be recreated.

If I want I can recreate the players in question and put them on the vault.

So for OSFM those guys will stay as SCEA made them.

Yeah I would be interested in some players in the vault. Granted I could just make them myself.

[MrOldboy]

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Gotchya - I'd definitely be interested in pulling them off of the vault after O.S.F.M. is released.

So now the count is at 2 A/12 B potential players?

For now yes, unless anything changes. I might tweak things here and there, but for the most part the only players that might change are the / players.

Judging from other team's 2 and 12 doesn't look bad considering the M's and STL have batter systems overall and as such the potentials do match up to show that.

I'll definitely have Jackson and Vitters remade based on authentic's players he made.

[jnavarro]

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I'm a couple of seasons in on my test franchise and I cant say pretty strongly that those who are worried about the A potential on Vitters shouldn't worry. He is never going to amount to much of anything in this game. He is rated quite low and can't make contract at all, even with training. By the time he figures it out he will be in his 30s and ready to decline.

Jackson on the other hand seems like a nice player. I think he will get it figured out in time. The truth of this is that I'm a only a few seasons in and half my minor league players are A potential. This without much effort in trades and some good drafts and rule 5 picks. A potential is WAY more widespread in this game and doesn't mean what it used to. Major League ETA now seems to be the standard by which things are measured. I'm hoping our OSFM guys are at least somewhat near major league ready or they will get passed quickly by our draft picks.

[seanjeezy]

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I'm a couple of seasons in on my test franchise and I cant say pretty strongly that those who are worried about the A potential on Vitters shouldn't worry. He is never going to amount to much of anything in this game. He is rated quite low and can't make contract at all, even with training. By the time he figures it out he will be in his 30s and ready to decline.

Jackson on the other hand seems like a nice player. I think he will get it figured out in time. The truth of this is that I'm a only a few seasons in and half my minor league players are A potential. This without much effort in trades and some good drafts and rule 5 picks. A potential is WAY more widespread in this game and doesn't mean what it used to. Major League ETA now seems to be the standard by which things are measured. I'm hoping our OSFM guys are at least somewhat near major league ready or they will get passed quickly by our draft picks.

Yeah Vitters is so low that even if he increases 5 points a year for 5 years he'll only end up as a C+.

Have you guys started doing ratings already? What are you getting for overalls?

[Marcelj21]

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I'm a couple of seasons in on my test franchise and I cant say pretty strongly that those who are worried about the A potential on Vitters shouldn't worry. He is never going to amount to much of anything in this game. He is rated quite low and can't make contact at all, even with training. By the time he figures it out he will be in his 30s and ready to decline.

The crazy part about that is IRL Vitters problem has NEVER been a lack of making contact.....In fact he has always been so good at making contact that it has hurt his pitch selection abilities as he rises through the ranks. He never learned how to wait for his pitch or work the count because he could always make contact with anything the pitcher threw. That has become his downfall as higher level competition can easily exploit over aggressiveness.


By the way i'm new here. This is my first time playing "the show" after being stuck playing 2K on Xbox for years and finally switched to get a better experience. I'm also closely tied to the Cubs minor league system as I follow the team extensively and have seen most, if not all, of these guys in person multiple times. Sort of like a Cubs prospect guru lol. If you want more in-depth and accurate measurements for ratings Cubs Den is one of the places you want to look.

I may not have the technical know-how of this video game downpacked just yet but I do have such knowledge when it comes to the Cubs and their system. I'll be happy to add my knowledge to this thread in any way I can. It already seems well established so even if I can only help a little I will.

[Denzel Washington]

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Yea vitters is progressing extremely slow
Hes even moved down to a B potential in my franchise

[jnavarro]

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The crazy part about that is IRL Vitters problem has NEVER been a lack of making contact.....In fact he has always been so good at making contact that it has hurt his pitch selection abilities as he rises through the ranks. He never learned how to wait for his pitch or work the count because he could always make contact with anything the pitcher threw. That has become his downfall as higher level competition can easily exploit over aggressiveness.

Yes, the weird thing is that his contact is terrible and his only saving grace is his defense. I think that is backwards to what he is in real life from what I have seen.

[Marcelj21]

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Yes, the weird thing is that his contact is terrible and his only saving grace is his defense. I think that is backwards to what he is in real life from what I have seen.

Completely backwards. I like Vitters seen him play for years, but he'll need some instruction to even be average at 3B. Contact should be high, plate discipline low. He did improve his walk % this year under new management(which puts an emphasis on player development unlike the old FO) and actually had a pretty good season considering he was young for AAA. People looked way to much into his short stint in the majors.

[Marcelj21]

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For now yes, unless anything changes. I might tweak things here and there, but for the most part the only players that might change are the / players.

Judging from other team's 2 and 12 doesn't look bad considering the M's and STL have batter systems overall and as such the potentials do match up to show that.

I'll definitely have Jackson and Vitters remade based on authentic's players he made.

I strongly suggest bumping Almora up to A-. Ceiling/floor combo is the best in the system by far. Maybe not as high a ceiling as Soler or Baez(still has star potential though) but way more likely to be a 10yr big leaguer than anyone else in the system.

Again, not sure how you guys do rating and potentials with relation to a players floor, ceiling, age, mental makeup, etc but something to think about. If i'm putting too much RL into it then stop me please

[MrOldboy]

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I strongly suggest bumping Almora up to A-. Ceiling/floor combo is the best in the system by far. Maybe not as high a ceiling as Soler or Baez(still has star potential though) but way more likely to be a 10yr big leaguer than anyone else in the system.

Again, not sure how you guys do rating and potentials with relation to a players floor, ceiling, age, mental makeup, etc but something to think about. If i'm putting too much RL into it then stop me please

This is what seanjeezy posted in the seattle thread.

A+ HOF
A MVP
A- Superstar
B+ All-Star
B Good
B- Solid
C+ Average regular
C Fringe regular/platoon
C- Bench player/Utility
Everything else is a career minor leaguer

B+ is a damn good player, A is reserved for players with very high ceilings. Almora is a solid player, a potential All star, but I don't see him as being a superstar type player.

Defensively he is a great OF, but he lacks the power potential to be a superstar offensively. But at CF he can be a great all star type player.

I can see Soler or Baez becoming those types of players due to their offensive potentials.

[Marcelj21]

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This is what seanjeezy posted in the seattle thread.

A+ HOF
A MVP
A- Superstar
B+ All-Star
B Good
B- Solid
C+ Average regular
C Fringe regular/platoon
C- Bench player/Utility
Everything else is a career minor leaguer

B+ is a damn good player, A is reserved for players with very high ceilings. Almora is a solid player, a potential All star, but I don't see him as being a superstar type player.

Defensively he is a great OF, but he lacks the power potential to be a superstar offensively. But at CF he can be a great all star type player.

I can see Soler or Baez becoming those types of players due to their offensive potentials.

Great. That lists helps me out a great deal and gives me a game specific basis to work on because it's slightly different from a RL criteria. In that case Almora is where he's supposed to be. Need to edit some of the comments I made now lol Keep up the good work. You are paramount to me having a great experience on this game......no pressure though

[Marcelj21]

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This is what seanjeezy posted in the seattle thread.

A+ HOF
A MVP
A- Superstar
B+ All-Star
B Good
B- Solid
C+ Average regular
C Fringe regular/platoon
C- Bench player/Utility
Everything else is a career minor leaguer

B+ is a damn good player, A is reserved for players with very high ceilings. Almora is a solid player, a potential All star, but I don't see him as being a superstar type player.

Defensively he is a great OF, but he lacks the power potential to be a superstar offensively. But at CF he can be a great all star type player.

I can see Soler or Baez becoming those types of players due to their offensive potentials.

Going with that potential spread Lake as a B is way too high. He's tricky because he has a tool shed worth of talent but the consensus on his ceiling is that of a fringe starter/super sub that can play multiple positions adequately. Doesn't have enough power for the corners, defense isn't good enough up the middle.

Johnson should be almost equal with Panigua so a B, maybe B- if he doesn't tighten up the command and changeup a bit.

If were talking about strictly potential on this then Underwood is a B+. Only guy on the list with true ace/#1 potential. Problem is he's so raw that he could just as easily flame out at AA. Ceiling on par with Almora, floor is tremendously lower.

[MrOldboy]

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Going with that potential spread Lake as a B is way too high. He's tricky because he has a tool shed worth of talent but the consensus on his ceiling is that of a fringe starter/super sub that can play multiple positions adequately. Doesn't have enough power for the corners, defense isn't good enough up the middle.

Johnson should be almost equal with Panigua so a B, maybe B- if he doesn't tighten up the command and changeup a bit.

If were talking about strictly potential on this then Underwood is a B+. Only guy on the list with true ace/#1 potential. Problem is he's so raw that he could just as easily flame out at AA. Ceiling on par with Almora, floor is tremendously lower.

I rated Lake B mostly because of his tools. He could drop lower, that's for sure since he is such a hit or miss player.

Johnson could be higher I agree. I have been confused on him because of his control and injury concerns. But he does have a chance to contribute in an MLB rotation. The thing is at a B- doesn't that already put him there as a "solid" player when C+ is still above average.

I am definitely conservative with the potentials, I just don't want to see too many players end up being great MLB players. We need some variation. If that means Johnson should be a B, that's fine, but then maybe someone else should drop a bit like Lake.

Fine tuning will happen for sure, these are mostly preliminary potentials as I am collecting all the info into a spreadsheet, then I'll start entering it into the game once I am satisfied with the potentials.

All input helps and this will probably have me look again an fine tune some of them.

I am looking at stances and deliveries right now so if anyone finds some that work well with a prospect let me know. I have authentic's stances and I'm seeing if any of the new ones are better or if I find an older one I like better.

[Marcelj21]

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I rated Lake B mostly because of his tools. He could drop lower, that's for sure since he is such a hit or miss player.

Johnson could be higher I agree. I have been confused on him because of his control and injury concerns. But he does have a chance to contribute in an MLB rotation. The thing is at a B- doesn't that already put him there as a "solid" player when C+ is still above average.

I am definitely conservative with the potentials, I just don't want to see too many players end up being great MLB players. We need some variation. If that means Johnson should be a B, that's fine, but then maybe someone else should drop a bit like Lake.

Fine tuning will happen for sure, these are mostly preliminary potentials as I am collecting all the info into a spreadsheet, then I'll start entering it into the game once I am satisfied with the potentials.

All input helps and this will probably have me look again an fine tune some of them.

I am looking at stances and deliveries right now so if anyone finds some that work well with a prospect let me know. I have authentic's stances and I'm seeing if any of the new ones are better or if I find an older one I like better.

I agree on being conservative. The ugly truth is prospects don't have the highest success rate. I agree with Johnson going up a bit with Lake going down to keep things even, maybe B to C? Your pretty spot on with everybody else though.

Would have liked to see Ben Wells up there on pure potential, the knock on him being he hasn't stayed healthy of late but is on the positive way back. Before the arm injury he consistently got up to the mid 90's topping out at 98mph. Consensus top 15 guy if he rebounds and gets back to that velo. Smart thing to do is probably hold him off the vault until he gets to where Whitenack is recovery wise and we can get a decent handle on him.

[Marcelj21]

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Make that C+/B- for Lake. C is a bit too low(even though he could easily wind up being that) because he's still pretty young.