Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

[skow05]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Thanks for the input, a lot of your potentials match up with mine. I'll have to check my list with yours and see if there are any disagreements and look at them more closely.

If anyone else has opinions go ahead and post them.

I'm also going to try and at least get the more extreme tendency hitters correct. So if a guy is a dead pull hitter I want to at least give him at least a pull tendency and definitely not a push one. It might be time consuming so I'm not going to do it for all the players, just ones that are way off. If a guy is pull in real life and in my roster is balanced, I'll probably leave him bee especially if he's a low level prospect. But Knight said to not waste too much time on this.

Glad to help. The Cubs have a lot of fringy "C+/B-" types imo, so I'm sure we're bound to have some differences. Let me know where they are at though, I'd be interested in seeing where those exist.

[authentic]

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I would give Candelario a B- with possibly a B potential. Scouting reports continue to rave about his great hitting ability and maturity at the plate for his age. His only question mark is his position. I would probably lean towards making him a 3rd baseman with his second position as LF or 1B.

[authentic]

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If you need any faces done for players who don't have faces from last year, send me a text and I'll show you how to go about that process. It's pretty easy and I can do faces well when that's all I'm doing.

[MrOldboy]

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I would give Candelario a B- with possibly a B potential. Scouting reports continue to rave about his great hitting ability and maturity at the plate for his age. His only question mark is his position. I would probably lean towards making him a 3rd baseman with his second position as LF or 1B.

Yeah I had him down as a 3B with 1B secondary. I have him at a C+/B-, haven't decided yet, but maybe bumping him up to a B- isn't a bad idea like you said. I'm trying to be a bit conservative with the potentials.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=candel000jei

Do you think he has a higher chance of playing some corner OF more than 1B in the future?

For the faces I am going to try and copy over your work from last year. For any new players I'll have to ask for help from you or someone else as I'm terrible at making faces, just never got a hang of it. My RTTS guys are always the default face basically with a beard.

[jnavarro]

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I agreed with being conservative on the grades but I'm starting to rethink it. Look at the roster that came with the game. Most teams have six to eight A prospects among their fake minors guys. We are going to do OSFM with most teams only have two guys at that level. I'm worried that we are going to break the game in later years.

There are far more A players this year. The reason is probably that the veterans no longer have staying power. Watch what happens to guys like Jeter at their first spring training. They fall as much as 15 points in some attributes before the 2013 season even begins. This will anger some but I think it could be good. It makes player development key because long careers will no longer be the norm. If we take out a ton of A players and replace them with lower guys, I'm afraid we have an MLB five or six years from now with little star power.

I hope I'm wrong but I want to see what everyone thinks. I'm going to post this globally I think and see what other roster creators think as well.

[MrOldboy]

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If that is the case I'm sure the head OSFM ratings guys will find a solution. Maybe its as simple as scaling up some players a third a grade or something.

I'm going to keep what I have now and see what they want us to do.

[js3512]

I thought I'd add in the other players that would need to be created in addition to those previous 31, and what I think their potential should be (in parentheses):

SU RHP Kyuji Fujikawa BA#9 (B/B+)
LR RHP Hector Rondon RULE 5 (C)

These 2 will be made by scea on opening day.

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[skow05]

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These 2 will be made by scea on opening day.

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For sure, I just thought they were starting their work off of the roster update from 03/05, so their SCEA models wouldn't be available for the OSFM rosters. I could be wrong though.

[jnavarro]

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For sure, I just thought they were starting their work off of the roster update from 03/05, so their SCEA models wouldn't be available for the OSFM rosters. I could be wrong though.

I think you are right. It might take a while to get the SCEA models. Last year I think they even used some of the ones created by the guys here.

[hjgilber]

About the comparison of Rizzo and Jackson.

Their K/BB ratios are very similar actually over their minor league careers.

Rizzo: 2.15 K/BB
Jackson: 2.13 K/BB

Of couse Rzzo's power sort of justifies his strikeout rate and Jackson has a higher strikeout rate as well anyways (3.78 PA/K) than Rizzo (4.92 PA/K), but walks more and as such has a slightly higher OBP than Rizzo.

I don't think everyone is giving up on him, he still has great tools. But he strikes out a lot and without Stanton power its not justified. He gets on base well already though so he could be a starting OF for years if he can put it together in terms of his swings and misses. I still think he is a B at best right now and as such I think seanjeezy will want him created.

For the prospects mentioned If you guys want to put up a case for a prospect you want in you also need to justify taking one out from AA or A. I;m basically using the list posted and this http://www.mlbdepthcharts.com/2012/0...#.UTbHHjBwrPkd

seanjeezy told me the limit is 90 players, but I can make some more and include them on the player vault if I want. So if you guys help me out with the prospects you want I can maybe put some extra ones on the vault for you to import and have more than 90 players if you want personally. But OSFM I think will have 90 players max.

You realize K/BB isn't what matters in this debate, it's K rate. Rizzo's K rate is significantly better than Jackson's in the minors, it's not even close.

Also, just because Jackson has a higher walk rate doesn't mean he has a higher OBP. Rizzo's average is much higher than Jackson's, so despite a lower walk rate, he still gets on base a lot more than Jackson will.

[hjgilber]

Thanks for the input, a lot of your potentials match up with mine. I'll have to check my list with yours and see if there are any disagreements and look at them more closely.

If anyone else has opinions go ahead and post them.

I'm also going to try and at least get the more extreme tendency hitters correct. So if a guy is a dead pull hitter I want to at least give him at least a pull tendency and definitely not a push one. It might be time consuming so I'm not going to do it for all the players, just ones that are way off. If a guy is pull in real life and in my roster is balanced, I'll probably leave him bee especially if he's a low level prospect. But Knight said to not waste too much time on this.

Blackburn a B while Underwood is a C+, uhhhh no.

[MrOldboy]

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You realize K/BB isn't what matters in this debate, it's K rate. Rizzo's K rate is significantly better than Jackson's in the minors, it's not even close.

Also, just because Jackson has a higher walk rate doesn't mean he has a higher OBP. Rizzo's average is much higher than Jackson's, so despite a lower walk rate, he still gets on base a lot more than Jackson will.

In the minors Jackson (.379) had a higher OBP than Rizzo (.372). That wasn't an assumption it just is.

I was not trying to justify anything, just merely saying they do different things. Jackson strikes out more, but technically gets on base more.

Its a dumb comparison is what I was trying to say. They are completely different types of hitters.

[hjgilber]

In the minors Jackson (.379) had a higher OBP than Rizzo (.372). That wasn't an assumption it just is.

I was not trying to justify anything, just merely saying they do different things. Jackson strikes out more, but technically gets on base more.

Its a dumb comparison is what I was trying to say. They are completely different types of hitters.

Why would you ignore age and level though? Jackson only got on base more in the lower minors playing in those leagues at older ages Rizzo did. Rizzo was young for his leagues and once he finally became closer to age appropriate for his league (AAA), his OBP was much higher than Jackson's.

You could point out Jackson got on base more at an older age in single and double A, but idk how that's very relevant.

The whole idea is that you said Jackson gets on base more than Rizzo, and he really doesn't. You only looked at the end number and decided to ignore all the context around the numbers.

In terms of relevance to actual Major League Baseball quality of competition, Rizzo will get on base more than Jackson and has.

[MrOldboy]

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All I am saying is that there is more to Jackson than his strikeout rate, he does other things well like drawing walks. If you look closer yeah lately in AAA his OBP took a dive. Comparing him to Rizzo though (especially his two huge AAA seasons) doesn't change what Jackson is or what he has become recently. I shouldn't have compared him to Rizzo to say that Jackson does other things well. IN the direct comparison its obvious Rizzo is a better hitter in many ways, but they are two different players who play very different positions and do different things well.

For the prospects that have been mentioned, the single A players. Are there any that you guys wouldn't be sad to lose. I'm two over the 90 limit and trying to determine which ones to cut loose. I don't think there is going to be room for Daury Torrez for instance.

I'll try to post a list of the 90 players and their potentials later today and see what you guys think.

[skow05]

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Blackburn a B while Underwood is a C+, uhhhh no.

The dismissive attitude is really helpful...

Would you flip them? The more I read on Underwood, the more I like. So I wouldn't be inclined to disagree with you.