Pitch Count Slider Question

[Stormyhog]

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I read this somewhere... I don't know what is so confusing about it.

Tight means they call it perfectly at the line of strike zone. Wide means they miss some calls here and there. Pretty straight forward.

I agree with you on this as I have been playing wide and have seen balls called strikes and strikes called balls at times giving it more variability.

[JOEdellis]

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so..max it out?, i dont play with strike zone or any other aid. should i put it tight anyways?.

[Pared]

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No, you want it WIDE. This allows for "variable umps," in a sense.

[JOEdellis]

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nevermind wide is better, more umpires being human.

[nemesis04]

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I read this somewhere... I don't know what is so confusing about it.

Easy!........ I do not know if I agree.. Those two words are a poor use of description because the mean something else in baseball.

[poster]

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Yes this is it! There seems to be some confusion as what the two actually mean. To me, when you put it on tight, you are going to get squeezed as a pitcher and some strikes may be called a ball. Wide to me means that maybe some pitches that are a ball may be called a strike. Some people feel I am wrong with this thinking but if it does not mean this, then it goes against baseball lingo. I asked one of the developers and he agreed with my thinking but was going to confirm this.

Others feel that tight means the ump calls a more straight forward game (whatever the hell that means) and wide means there is more variability in his play calling.

That is what I thought it meant too and it makes sense. One question I was thinking about though and Pared might have touched on it in a later post. In franchise does it keep it at wide or tight the whole time, or does it randomly assign it. Maybe like Pared said wide would mean variable, but it would be cool if it switched.

[nemesis04]

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That is what I thought it meant too and it makes sense. One question I was thinking about though and Pared might have touched on it in a later post. In franchise does it keep it at wide or tight the whole time, or does it randomly assign it. Maybe like Pared said wide would mean variable, but it would be cool if it switched.

I asked one of the developers and he interpeted the way I did and he said he would check. It may be just a poor choice of words!

[poster]

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I asked one of the developers and he interpeted the way I did and he said he would check. It may be just a poor choice of words!

Ahh ok. Thanks Nem!

[slthree]

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Yes this is it! There seems to be some confusion as what the two actually mean. To me, when you put it on tight, you are going to get squeezed as a pitcher and some strikes may be called a ball. Wide to me means that maybe some pitches that are a ball may be called a strike. Some people feel I am wrong with this thinking but if it does not mean this, then it goes against baseball lingo. I asked one of the developers and he agreed with my thinking but was going to confirm this.

Others feel that tight means the ump calls a more straight forward game (whatever the hell that means) and wide means there is more variability in his play calling.

I'll copy my post here and let the people decide for themselves. I know Pared agrees with me as he's already weighed in. I came to this conclusion after playing it both ways and i hope more people do the same so they can weigh in. I won't care if I'm wrong but we do have to get an answer so we can all tweak our games properly.

Below is what nemesis originally posted followed by my reply:


Quote:
Originally Posted by nemesis04
Wide and tight refers to the strike zone. If you have a tight zone, you are going to get squeezed on a lot of pitches. A wide zone is going to give you a more generous area that the ump will call a strike!

nemesis, I respect you brotha but I think your wrong.

Wide and Tight refer to how "correct" a call will be.

Set it to 'tight' and the ump will call everything correctly. Play 3 innings like this.

Now, set it to "wide" and the ump will call a blatant strike a ball sometimes. The commentators even reference it saying something like: "I'm not sure where that was" or "that sure looked like a strike" or "what's wrong with that pitch"?

You guys try it and holler back.

Now, I'm still confused by the "Pitch Count Slider"

I'm also pasting this post by me which seems to further prove that wide means more missed calls:

Just made another find, I think.

When the umpire calls a 'ball' on a pitch that was clearly a 'strike' the display screen (after you press select) will show the pitch color as RED. Strikes are displayed as RED and Balls are displayed as GREEN. So, why does the computer display a pitch in RED (indicating a strike) if the ump called it a ball?

The computer knows it was a strike and codes it RED indicating that the ump blew the call. Great stuff!

This goes hand in hand with the "Wide" setting where the ump blows calls.

Of course, I'm flat exhausted and can barely see or think straight so theres a chance I'm wrong. You guys let me know.

And this one:

Just saw an example in reverse. Lieber threw a ball outside and the ump called it a strike. Here's what the commentator said: "A called strike on the outside corner as the zone seems to have widened some" So, if its a stirke it should be displayed as RED but the computer displayed it as GREEN indicating that the ump blew the call.

I'm loving this.

If wide meant what nemesis said, that the ump will call more pitches strikes, then why is he calling blatant strikes as BALLS? He should be giving all the close calls to the pitcher but he's in fact squeezing the pitcher. I think you mentioned that the "tight' setting is where the ump squeezes the pitcher but I'm seeing tons of squeezing on the "wide" setting.

In any event, regardless of who's right, I hope we get a definitive answer. I love this game.

[MizzouRah]

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I'll copy my post here and let the people decide for themselves. I know Pared agrees with me as he's already weighed in. I came to this conclusion after playing it both ways and i hope more people do the same so they can weigh in. I won't care if I'm wrong but we do have to get an answer so we can all tweak our games properly.

Below is what nemesis originally posted followed by my reply:


Quote:
Originally Posted by nemesis04
Wide and tight refers to the strike zone. If you have a tight zone, you are going to get squeezed on a lot of pitches. A wide zone is going to give you a more generous area that the ump will call a strike!

After playing game with the setting both ways, I agree with you. Wide is exactly how you describe it.

[Pared]

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Easy!........ I do not know if I agree.. Those two words are a poor use of description because the mean something else in baseball.

I think I understand how you were thinking about it... don't think of it in terms of being a pitcher, and it will make perfect sense.

Wide=room for error
Tight=perfect calls

That should help.

[slthree]

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My favorite is when the play by play man actually makes the call that a pitch is a strike and then when he realizes the ump called it a ball he reacts in shock and makes some very witty remark.

I can live with any flaws that we find in this game because I am in utter amazement at the presentation and commentary. This is the most immersive baseball feel I can remember.

[poster]

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My favorite is when the play by play man actually makes the call that a pitch is a strike and then when he realizes the ump called it a ball he reacts in shock and makes some very witty remark.

I can live with any flaws that we find in this game because I am in utter amazement at the presentation and commentary. This is the most immersive baseball feel I can remember.

Wow. Great find bro. I thought it was the other way too, but you're description makes sense and also answers my question as to how do you know its variable. I remember Vascurgen(sp) saying where was that pitch once when I was throwing with Prior. I was like man that was a strike, bu tthe ump called it a ball. It didnt hit me until reading your post. At the time I did have it wide, so it makes sense and like you said adds to the mind boggling events this game takes into account. Awesome stuff!

[slthree]

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Wow. Great find bro. I thought it was the other way too, but you're description makes sense and also answers my question as to how do you know its variable. I remember Vascurgen(sp) saying where was that pitch once when I was throwing with Prior. I was like man that was a strike, bu tthe ump called it a ball. It didnt hit me until reading your post. At the time I did have it wide, so it makes sense and like you said adds to the mind boggling events this game takes into account. Awesome stuff!

Mind boggling is a great way to put it.

If you know it was a strike and Vasgersian thought it was a strike, but the ump called it a ball... go to the display screen (select button) and the computer displays it as RED confirming the ump blew the call.

I love the mistakes because they do go both ways.

Here's a question for everybody. Does the "wide" variable ump consistency also apply to the base umps? I haven't seen any evidence either way so far.

[nemesis04]

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I think I understand how you were thinking about it... don't think of it in terms of being a pitcher, and it will make perfect sense.

Wide=room for error
Tight=perfect calls

That should help.

The masses are piling on me, I guess I will admit defeat!! When I saw this option I thought it was from the pitcher's perspective. They still need to change the names of them, I will not let that one go!