*****The 'Perfect' Slider Set***** MLB 10 - The Show

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Re: *****The 'Perfect' Slider Set***** MLB 10 - The Show

Well, actually I play the Dodgers which the pitcher rating is almost the top in the MLB....would that be the reason why? (But I played the whole spring camp and I was double the less of the giving walks than the second to the last...so that is not that right either right..? lol

I mean I looked at the MLB stats for the Dodgers last year in mlb.com and they gave in fair numbers of walks (I'm not sure which position they were in, but I think they gave out walks more than the average)

[ParisB]

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Hey thanks for your opinion. My point is like this though however: I don't want to intentionally 'try' to give in walks. What I want is a realism from the pitcher, where the pitcher tried to strike out the batter or put the ball somewhere where the pitcher wanted to throw at, but the ball slips out naturally and goes off somewhere else - mainly in a ball zone. I'm sure no pitcher wants to give in walks; unless giving in an intentional walk..

But with the slider and the meter pitching, I rarely hit the middle bar in the meter pitching (maybe 20% of the times or so), but then again, even not hitting the main bar, the balls go into the strike zone rather than slipping out of the pitchers' hands and go off somewhere else.

Or either the batter hits it and fouls it, which makes it into a strike basically.

So there, I get 60-70 strike percentage. So if I intentionally try to shoot in the bare corners like you do, then yeah I could give in walks. But in real life, I'm sure that's not the pitcher wants right...


So how could the pitcher control/consistency play in a role where the pitcher 'naturally' throws the ball to somewhere that's totally off of where the pitcher originally intended? (If you lower the consistency too much, you know that leads to HBP or wild pitch, which oppose to the true intentions of what PsychoBulk intended to be...

Sorry for the long reply, but I hope you get my points...I'll love for another comments to discuss ..

The problem is that with Meter especially, if you miss the mark it usually means the pitch will just be down the middle or something.

For Classic, this year it appears that Consistency is the meatball pitch, so what I've been trying with good results is keeping the Consistency RAISED (like Psycho has), but put Control down. I actually have it at 0 currently and not seeing anything that stands out which makes me want it to put it back up.

I've been averaging 3-4 walks GIVEN UP without it being intentional. Sometimes I try nibbling but the pitches simply miss a bit outside etc.

Now, I'm not sure about Meter, but that's been my finding for Classic. People might be wary of dropping Control, especially with how the game has played in the past, but aces still seem to have great control and the average guys struggle a bit more like they should. It still seems that the Confidence meter completely overwrites all pitching sliders anyway.

[jkra0512]

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I'm loving these sliders, especially the pitching side of it. Last night as the Yankees playing at Toronto, Burnett issued three walks and struck out seven, which is classic Burnett if I've ever seen him. I was playing on Classic pitching and I always go with what the catcher wants just so I don't fall into any patterns. Once in awhile I will throw something else if he makes me throw a fastball five times in a row to the same batter.

Since switching back to these I'm 1-4 with my Yanks and every game has been close, both winning and losing one in the 10th, losing one in the ninth, etc. These have really given me exciting games.

Psycho, I've tried a few different sliders sets and this is really the "Perfect" set you claim it to be. I'm a true believer in the Psycho slider religion!

[speels]

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I just finished 2 of the best games I have played in the Show10.

1st game, BlueJays (me) vs the Yankees.
I hit 2 homeruns and have 1 sac fly for 3 runs. Kyle Drabek pitches a complete game shutout allowing 2 hits, 1 BB, and strinking out 7 throwing only 104 pitches.
It is the first time since I got this game that I had a pitcher throw a full game.

Next game against the Twinkies, it goes back and forth until the bottom of 8 where Vernon wells hits a shot to the outfield to score a run and put me up by 1 going into the top of the 9th. I bring in Jason Frasor as they have 4 righties in a row. 3 hits later the game is tied and their are runners on first and 3rd with 1 out. Get Morneau to hit into a double play to end the inning. Bottom of 9 Travis Snisder comes up and hits a hanging surveball off the restaurant windows fro my first walk off homerun of the season.

These sliders continue to give me great varieties of games.

[Stickum11]

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Hey thanks for your opinion. My point is like this though however: I don't want to intentionally 'try' to give in walks. What I want is a realism from the pitcher, where the pitcher tried to strike out the batter or put the ball somewhere where the pitcher wanted to throw at, but the ball slips out naturally and goes off somewhere else - mainly in a ball zone. I'm sure no pitcher wants to give in walks; unless giving in an intentional walk..

But with the slider and the meter pitching, I rarely hit the middle bar in the meter pitching (maybe 20% of the times or so), but then again, even not hitting the main bar, the balls go into the strike zone rather than slipping out of the pitchers' hands and go off somewhere else.

Or either the batter hits it and fouls it, which makes it into a strike basically.

So there, I get 60-70 strike percentage. So if I intentionally try to shoot in the bare corners like you do, then yeah I could give in walks. But in real life, I'm sure that's not the pitcher wants right...


So how could the pitcher control/consistency play in a role where the pitcher 'naturally' throws the ball to somewhere that's totally off of where the pitcher originally intended? (If you lower the consistency too much, you know that leads to HBP or wild pitch, which oppose to the true intentions of what PsychoBulk intended to be...

Sorry for the long reply, but I hope you get my points...I'll love for another comments to discuss ..

I just looked at my league rankings again and I actually give up more walks than I thought, but only get the second worst in the league. Maybe the ratings do play a big roll, because alot of the time I miss too and the pitch is either way off outside or down the pipe. I played two games last night and walked 3 in one and 5 in the other. That was just frustrating, even hitting the zone and meter I could not throw many strikes. A couple were only 4 and 5 pitch walks even. I guess though my explaining of "almost giving into walks" wasn't really what I wanted to say. I just meen when the batter has 3 balls, whether 3-0, 3-1, or 3-2 I don't throw to the middle or close to the middle of the zone just so I know for a fact I won't walk a guy. Most of the time if I groove one to not walk a guy, It gets slammed anyway. I do wish that missing badly on the meter would just result in a ball about 90% of the time, but it seems when you do miss with a red line you either hit a batter or throw a meatball. I think Paris may have a point as well.

[Electric Boogaloo]

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Still enjoying using these and I seem to be getting better now. When I last posted in here I was 9-10 with the Yankees. Now I'm on a 5 game winning streak up to 13-10 and only 0.5 games back in the division, plus I'm scoring more runs than I was despite hitting less home runs than at the beginning of the season. During this win streak I've hit 6 or more runs in every game, even scoring 10 against the White Sox. Now all I need is for Burnett to start pitching better!

[JayD]

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Am I the only one who had to lower cpu strike frequency? Right now I'm at 1 and I don't want to go any lower. I tired keeping it at 3 as long as I could but I swear the cpu was throwing a first pitch strike followed by another strike 90% of the time.

[ParisB]

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Same here. I've always had it at 0. One thing I haven't changed since last year

[BombshellRocks]

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I might be lowering my strike frequency to 2 and seeing how that goes. I think 3 is close, at least in my opinion, but I am seeing similar things as you.

Also been playing with solid hits at 3 and getting much, much better results. Still might drop it to 2 as well though. Will be playing a few more games to test things out but feeling much better with solid hits now than at 0.

[PsychoBulk]

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Am I the only one who had to lower cpu strike frequency? Right now I'm at 1 and I don't want to go any lower. I tired keeping it at 3 as long as I could but I swear the cpu was throwing a first pitch strike followed by another strike 90% of the time.

As soon as you start hitting a few first pitch strikes believe me, it wont.

The AI adapts to what you do, so if you are always taking the first pitch then it will keep throwing them for cheap easy strikes, very much makes sense.

[JayD]

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As soon as you start hitting a few first pitch strikes believe me, it wont.

The AI adapts to what you do, so if you are always taking the first pitch then it will keep throwing them for cheap easy strikes, very much makes sense.

Yeah I will admit I have been been taking a lot of first pitch stirkes trying to build up the cpu pitch count and draw walks so I'll bump it back up to three and be a bit more aggressive at the plate and see how that goes. I didn't know that the game adapts to you as much as it does though I'm very happy to see that the AI actually adapts to how you play.

[PsychoBulk]

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Yeah I will admit I have been been taking a lot of first pitch stirkes trying to build up the cpu pitch count and draw walks so I'll bump it back up to three and be a bit more aggressive at the plate and see how that goes. I didn't know that the game adapts to you as much as it does though I'm very happy to see that the AI actually adapts to how you play.

Yeah it certainly does adapt to what you do, senior AI programmer Brian Ma from SCEA has explained exactly this on these forums a few times.

[insideoutside15]

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I think this is entirely an issue of sample size, but I've been absolutely murdered by the CPU since I switched to these sliders about fifteen games ago. I like how I'm playing on offense, striking out a little too much but that's mostly been me, but the computer destroys me on offense. I give up three or four hits every inning and I think I've only retired the side 1-2-3 a couple of times. It's obviously not the sliders since they turn solid hits way down (I was on default sliders before), it's just a frustrating coincidence.

[abcabc]

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Still enjoying using these and I seem to be getting better now. When I last posted in here I was 9-10 with the Yankees. Now I'm on a 5 game winning streak up to 13-10 and only 0.5 games back in the division, plus I'm scoring more runs than I was despite hitting less home runs than at the beginning of the season. During this win streak I've hit 6 or more runs in every game, even scoring 10 against the White Sox. Now all I need is for Burnett to start pitching better!

6 more home runs in every game? even when i played on vet. last yr entirely, i never got that. this yr, converted to Allstar and trying to stay there... hit about 2 per game, some games, none. NNY. The homeruns look beautiful.

[ParisB]

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As soon as you start hitting a few first pitch strikes believe me, it wont.

The AI adapts to what you do, so if you are always taking the first pitch then it will keep throwing them for cheap easy strikes, very much makes sense.

The problem is they're not strikes down the middle of the plate. You can't really punish them, especially if you don't score in the 1st inning and the CPU gets a quick high confidence meter. They throw low or corner strikes like darts in my experiences. It's just a constant uphill battle with too many 0-1, 0-2, or 1-2 counts.

It's extremely rare for me to see any 2-0 counts, let alone 3-0 or the elusive 4 pitch walk