i need some help guys

[Maynard]

i tried psychos sliders, i have tried variations of other guys sliders. I basically use my own set.

I am 20-13 in Mid May with my Indians Franchise

i am fine with how both sides hit the ball. I would say 8-12 per game
Both sides get about 3 walks per game
K per game i am happy with (7 per for each team)
Pitch counts are good...in the 125-140 range usually
hit variety, homers, doubles, all that is fine..steals, no problems.

So the issue, CPU runs scoring. They just dont seem to score. They get 10 hits, but score 1 run. They get 15 hits and score 2 runs. I dont know what I should do. Back in April, I had a team ERA of 4.88. Now its down to 3.88 with the Indians staff. I brought guys up with better attributes, but i didnt mess with any of the ratings (using OSUBeavers roster) and he fixed all the pitch types.

Now i was sick of the CPU just pounding everything when i was playing AS for both hitting and pitching. So i moved Pitching to Vet, and kept hitting at AS. I like having pitching at vet cause the cpu and me are better at pitching and i see alot more painting of the corners from the cpu. It feels right, like hits are earned. But the problem is the cpu not scoring.

CPU Batting Sliders are at default
Player Pitching Control and Consistency are at default.
They get there hits and walks, but they just cant seem to get the run scoring hit.

Thought or suggestions would be really appreciated.
Maybe i should bump up the power so they can get more extra base hits. If they get 10 hits, 3 or 4 of them are xtra base hits on average...i just dont know

[Maynard]

Re: i need some help guys

cmon mang...nobody can help me out? you guys are the experts at this stuff, thats why i come to you....

grassy ***

[coreyhartsdaughter]

Re: i need some help guys

cmon mang...nobody can help me out? you guys are the experts at this stuff, thats why i come to you....

grassy ***

You moved the pitching slider the wrong way. To make it harder to pitch (the CPU are better hitters) you need to go to HOF from AS, not to Veteran. You're problem is you're too easily working out of jams, not walking enough batters (lower pitch counts/shorter CPU at bats), I'd also assume the CPU is not getting many extra base hits.

Power does not increase extra base hits (not by itself at least)

What is you're pitch count per game?
How many walks per game are you giving up?
How many extra base hits by CPU? HR's?
Do you have pitcher confidence on?

[Maynard]

Re: i need some help guys

stats from my last game
Indians 6 at Orioles 3

Indians 12H, 4 Xtra base hits, 4BB, 11K
Orioles 8H, 1 Double, 1 HR, 3BB, 11K

Indians Pitch count 133
Orioles Pitch Count 136

pitcher confidence is on

These stats arent bad, but my team ERA is now 3.61. Thats too low imo.

i also like having pitching on vet cause i feel like its harder for me to get hits. But your right, its seems i can pitch out of jams to much

[Dabeeds]

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Mabye he doesn't want to make it harder to pitch, and he just wants the computer to hit better ? I'm just throwing it out there. If that was the case, why not raise up the cpu hitting sliders ? ( contact and timing )

I'm thinking about trying this out because with classic pitching, all the markers and rumble off , i'm really having trouble controlling the pitches on all-star this year. I mean missing by alot, and the complete opposite direction of where i'm holding the stick. Alot of meatballs too, with good pitchers. I put it on vet just to see, and it felt more like the classic pitching from previous years. I haven't done much testing though, because i really wanted to try and stick with all-star. But i'm starting to get frustrated, AND i've been playing with the control at 6, and consistency at 8, with Bahnzo's re-rated rosters.
Has anyone experimented with veteran pitching, and raising up the comp hitting sliders to compensate ?

[Maynard]

Re: i need some help guys

Mabye he doesn't want to make it harder to pitch, and he just wants the computer to hit better ? I'm just throwing it out there. If that was the case, why not raise up the cpu hitting sliders ? ( contact and timing )

I'm thinking about trying this out because with classic pitching, all the markers and rumble off , i'm really having trouble controlling the pitches on all-star this year. I mean missing by alot, and the complete opposite direction of where i'm holding the stick. Alot of meatballs too, with good pitchers. I put it on vet just to see, and it felt more like the classic pitching from previous years. I haven't done much testing though, because i really wanted to try and stick with all-star. But i'm starting to get frustrated, AND i've been playing with the control at 6, and consistency at 8, with Bahnzo's re-rated rosters.
Has anyone experimented with veteran pitching, and raising up the comp hitting sliders to compensate ?

you pretty much nailed my thoughts as to what i experienced with pitching on AS. Hitting isnt an issue on AS. I am playing game 2 vs baltimore with pitching back on AS and i am already up 5-0 with 2 hr's and 1 double with 7 hits. But i am also reminded of the piss poor pitching on this level. i have no control even though i am hitting the accuracy line everytime. I am using TNKNGM sliders in this game

i want the CPU to score more runs.

you asked about bumping up the hitting sliders with Vet pitching. I kept all the cpu hit sliders at default, but moved power up to 7 and they only got 3 runs. I ususually give up plenty of hits (10 per game) but alot of times they score 2-3 runs at best. 2 times in the past 20 games the CPU score 8 runs and thats the high for me with vet pitching.

[Dabeeds]

Re: i need some help guys

If your gonna go by Phoenixmgs slider descriptions - http://www.operationsports.com/forum...criptions.html

I would raise up the timing & contact for the comp and leave the power.

[coreyhartsdaughter]

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you pretty much nailed my thoughts as to what i experienced with pitching on AS. Hitting isnt an issue on AS. I am playing game 2 vs baltimore with pitching back on AS and i am already up 5-0 with 2 hr's and 1 double with 7 hits. But i am also reminded of the piss poor pitching on this level. i have no control even though i am hitting the accuracy line everytime. I am using TNKNGM sliders in this game

i want the CPU to score more runs.

you asked about bumping up the hitting sliders with Vet pitching. I kept all the cpu hit sliders at default, but moved power up to 7 and they only got 3 runs. I ususually give up plenty of hits (10 per game) but alot of times they score 2-3 runs at best. 2 times in the past 20 games the CPU score 8 runs and thats the high for me with vet pitching.

FYI, to pitch well you DO NOT WANT to hit the accuracy line every time. This is how you control the break on on your pitches, and is one of the variations in 'patterns' that allows the CPU to figure you out.

A fast ball stopped in the red with the meter, and stopped above the yellow line will rise, below the line will sink. The 'break' is determined by how much power you give it. This also goes for off speed and breaking pitches. One of the best strike out pitches in the game is a fastball pitch in the dirt, full power stopped well above the yellow line - catches guys looking all the time.

Most people assume (incorrectly) that the pitch will end up where the arrows show it. This is only the case at full power, and by adding the 'massee''. A slider will never break enough on its own unless you position it well outside the strike zone, or add a little 'touch' to it with the meter.

Similarly, this is how you strike guys out looking or swinging with curves. No two curve balls to the same batter should be the same.

[coreyhartsdaughter]

Re: i need some help guys

Quite honestly, you're in a classic chicken v egg, cause/reaction dilemma. If you want the CPU to surrender more runs, it should be harder to face them they shouldn't get better.

However, if they do get boosts to their ratings through raising their sliders, (as opposed to increasing the difficulty level of yours) it won't necessarily be harder to face them, (cause) the outcomes will essentially be more in their favor (effect) without out apt reasons. (eg. a pitch that would have otherwise been (should) have been fouled off, is now a triple, etc,)

Either way, you get to you're destination - one road may just be a little more frustrating.

[Dabeeds]

Re: i need some help guys

Interesting, i never thought of it like that. So, your saying , the comp will be getting good hits off pitches they normally shouldn't, from raising their sliders, thus making it unrealistic. ( and frustrating )

[coreyhartsdaughter]

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Interesting, i never thought of it like that. So, your saying , the comp will be getting good hits off pitches they normally shouldn't, from raising their sliders, thus making it unrealistic. ( and frustrating )

Yes.

I've always felt that although slider tweaks should factor in an individuals 'skill' level at the game, they need to also accurately reflect decision making and physics.

If the the pitch is a fastball low and away, and one is able to turn it down the third base line (RH hitter), then something's broke.

Another tell tale sign of a need to move up in difficulty; the computer is not scoring runs against someone and they're totaling less than 100 pitches a game. This would mean that the strike % is so high that the computer is either,

(a) swinging and putting balls into play for outs (which standard deviation would destroy over time)

(b) taking a lot of strikes

or

(c) swinging and missing too often

The first two can't be effected by sliders. (for the most part). While the third can. The problem is that if (c) is happening it's not because the hitting sliders are too low, but rather the pitcher sliders are too high OR the HUM pitching is too good for the difficulty level.

There are so many posts complaining about lack of HUM walks. The irony is, they don't complain about getting K's, which leads me to believe that they have absurdly low WHIP's and most certainly need to move pitching up a level or two. (and raise the sliders to work backwards) To get K's at higher difficulties, you're throwing about a 50/50 BB to K ratio, thus inducing far more contact or walks.

CPU WHIP isn't going to come by raising a CPU hitters timing, power, or contact. It's going to come by a more challenging pitching experience for the HUM.

[Maynard]

Re: i need some help guys

FYI, to pitch well you DO NOT WANT to hit the accuracy line every time. This is how you control the break on on your pitches, and is one of the variations in 'patterns' that allows the CPU to figure you out.

A fast ball stopped in the red with the meter, and stopped above the yellow line will rise, below the line will sink. The 'break' is determined by how much power you give it. This also goes for off speed and breaking pitches. One of the best strike out pitches in the game is a fastball pitch in the dirt, full power stopped well above the yellow line - catches guys looking all the time.

Most people assume (incorrectly) that the pitch will end up where the arrows show it. This is only the case at full power, and by adding the 'massee''. A slider will never break enough on its own unless you position it well outside the strike zone, or add a little 'touch' to it with the meter.

Similarly, this is how you strike guys out looking or swinging with curves. No two curve balls to the same batter should be the same.

i am talking about the white accuracy line at the bottom of the meter, not the white/yellow/red power areas of the meter. I vary the power range all the time depending on situation and pitch type

but i do agree with what your saying

[Phoenixmgs]

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i am talking about the white accuracy line at the bottom of the meter, not the white/yellow/red power areas of the meter.

But i am also reminded of the piss poor pitching on this level. i have no control even though i am hitting the accuracy line everytime.

From these 2 quotes, I just have to ask if you realize where the accuracy line actually is. The accuracy line is not white, the white line at the far bottom of the meter is just the outline of the meter, this white line completely goes around the meter. The accuracy line is the little gold/yellow line that is pretty much in the middle of the meter as it comes back down after you set the velocity of the pitch. Your ability to hit spots shouldn't really change much as you move up pitching levels; what changes is the CPU's ability to hit not your ability to pitch and hit spots. As you can see in this video, it is pretty easy to throw fastballs on the corners on even Legend difficulty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_dgIWXs3tc

The pitching only becomes harder because the CPU hits better not because the game actually makes the meter tougher.

i also like having pitching on vet cause i feel like its harder for me to get hits. But your right, its seems i can pitch out of jams to much

You can pitch and hit on different difficulty levels. So you can hit on Vet and pitch on AS if you want.

Lastly, like Dabeeds said, you can really only adjust the CPU timing and contact sliders to have the CPU hit better without moving up a difficulty level. The pitching sliders for yourself really won't help the CPU hit much better by changing them, the control and consistency sliders mainly alter the amount of meatballs and influence how many wild pitches and hit batters you'll have.

[Maynard]

Re: i need some help guys

From these 2 quotes, I just have to ask if you realize where the accuracy line actually is. The accuracy line is not white, the white line at the far bottom of the meter is just the outline of the meter, this white line completely goes around the meter. The accuracy line is the little gold/yellow line that is pretty much in the middle

that is the line i am talking about. it looks white to me, or off white. it also turns into a thick gold line if your pitching well.

what i am saying is that regardless of level, if you hit that line 10 times in a row, you will get 10 different results in location. I am not talking about being a little off, i mean you throw up and in and it goes down and away

You can pitch and hit on different difficulty levels. So you can hit on Vet and pitch on AS if you want.

yes i know, i said that i have pitching on vet and hitting on AS. i like pitching on vet because it makes the cpu better at pitching and makes it harder for me to hit. At the same time when i pitch it means that if i am hitting the accuracy line that i can control my location, unlike the higher levels


again, my issue here is that the cpu doesnt score runs. they hit just fine, they just dont get the clutch hit to bring the runners home

[coreyhartsdaughter]

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that is the line i am talking about. it looks white to me, or off white. it also turns into a thick gold line if your pitching well.

what i am saying is that regardless of level, if you hit that line 10 times in a row, you will get 10 different results in location. I am not talking about being a little off, i mean you throw up and in and it goes down and away

Yes that is the line. NO, YOU DO NOT WANT to hit that line on every pitch. The computer will react differently to a pitch placed on the outside of the plate by putting the ball marker there, stopping perfectly in the yellow, a pitch by putting the ball marker in the middle of the plate and stopping well below the line. (causing the ball to 'break' away by the masse')

Obviously PHNX and I have different beliefs on how the sliders impact game play. I am of the strong opinion that some sliders impact the other (eg, pitch control and contact are tied together), so by raising the CPU contact, your actually impacting not only how the ball reacts (physics) after making (poor) contact, your also determining how often contact is made relative to the pitch control slider. (think perfect timing, almost perfect contact =miss/vs. hit.)