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  • Geronimo22
    Pro
    • Apr 2011
    • 893

    #1156
    Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

    TNK are you still using timing?
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    • TNKNGM
      All Star
      • Mar 2005
      • 6784

      #1157
      Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

      Originally posted by Geronimo22
      TNK are you still using timing?
      Yes - for now

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      • highheatkingsb
        All Star
        • Jul 2005
        • 8152

        #1158
        Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

        Originally posted by lVlAtlZiX
        My problem with Zone is I have to use guess pitch on it because I am not coordinated enough to recognize 96 MPH fbs in the corners to also move that damn PCI.

        My Tip for HRs is to wait for inside pitches and use normal swing. Never use power swing it seems to only be good for sac flys for me, maybe 1 or 2 homer off it.
        I had this issue myself until I dropped pitch speed to 2...now the game is playing about as perfect as I can get it. I'm walking 1-2 times a game now because I can see the pitch coming and read it better.
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        • lVlAtlZiX
          Rookie
          • Aug 2004
          • 310

          #1159
          Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

          I have pitch speed at 3 because I also play 2K for online, and thats the closest to its speed. Timing has been fun, I use the influence ball left/right for HRs now too, works wonders.

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          • PatriotJames
            Banned
            • Nov 2009
            • 1204

            #1160
            Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

            Pitch speed is the only slider I really mess with. Some games 0 I can sit back and be patient and it's perfect. Other games I need to crank it up to 3. 1 has actually given me the most success but then I get a hardball thrower like Felix and I can't tell balls from strikes

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            • korndogg8323
              Rookie
              • May 2011
              • 20

              #1161
              Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

              These sliders are crap. This game is crap. The only reason I got an HD TV recently is so I can buy the PS3 and finally play The Show for it. It quickly became the worst $800 I ever spent.

              No matter what I do I cannot freaking hit in this game. Timing and contact sliders are all the way up. Pitch speed is all the way down. I still cannot hit. My team batting average is all the way down to .240. I am getting beat by pitchers that have no business beating me. I am striking out ab it less, but nothing I hit seems to drop. I make contact on balls right down the middle, and instead of crushing them for hits, they end up going right at the fielder. To make matters worse, the cheap hits are nonexistant. In real life you see a bunch of players get cheap garbage hits on bad pitches. I don't. I check the swing analysis. It seems the only way I can get a hit is if I'm perfect on both timing and contact. That isn't normal either. In real life hitters aren't perfect every single time either and they still get hits.

              Furthermore, the strike frequency slider, which I also have set all the way down, doesn't seem to be working. The pitchers I face continue to throw mostly first pitch strikes, burying me in 0-2 counts and forcing me to swing at crap. Case in point. My latest game I got shutout and the opposing pitcher with a crappy record and ERA threw all first pitch strikes, a lot of times two straight, and over 80% of the pitches I took hit for strikes. Ridiculous.

              Oh, and the kicker. I AM PLAYING ON VETERAN! In The Show for PS2, I used to kill the ball while playing on all-star. My team batting average was over .300, which was acceptable because I hardly ever walked (still hardly ever do) and all the extra singles I got compensated for the lack of walks and kept my on base percentage at a normal level.

              I loved playing the Show for PS2 because I could hit and score runs and it was fun doing that. I was excited to finally get a PS3 with the Show because I was looking forward to doing that with the extra added bonus of the real life feel (better graphics and my own imported sounds). I have now barely played any games over the last two weeks because it's too frustrating not to be able to hit to the point where I want to throw my controller through the TV screen.

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              • PatriotJames
                Banned
                • Nov 2009
                • 1204

                #1162
                Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

                Originally posted by korndogg8323
                These sliders are crap. This game is crap. The only reason I got an HD TV recently is so I can buy the PS3 and finally play The Show for it. It quickly became the worst $800 I ever spent.

                No matter what I do I cannot freaking hit in this game. Timing and contact sliders are all the way up. Pitch speed is all the way down. I still cannot hit. My team batting average is all the way down to .240. I am getting beat by pitchers that have no business beating me. I am striking out ab it less, but nothing I hit seems to drop. I make contact on balls right down the middle, and instead of crushing them for hits, they end up going right at the fielder. To make matters worse, the cheap hits are nonexistant. In real life you see a bunch of players get cheap garbage hits on bad pitches. I don't. I check the swing analysis. It seems the only way I can get a hit is if I'm perfect on both timing and contact. That isn't normal either. In real life hitters aren't perfect every single time either and they still get hits.

                Furthermore, the strike frequency slider, which I also have set all the way down, doesn't seem to be working. The pitchers I face continue to throw mostly first pitch strikes, burying me in 0-2 counts and forcing me to swing at crap. Case in point. My latest game I got shutout and the opposing pitcher with a crappy record and ERA threw all first pitch strikes, a lot of times two straight, and over 80% of the pitches I took hit for strikes. Ridiculous.

                Oh, and the kicker. I AM PLAYING ON VETERAN! In The Show for PS2, I used to kill the ball while playing on all-star. My team batting average was over .300, which was acceptable because I hardly ever walked (still hardly ever do) and all the extra singles I got compensated for the lack of walks and kept my on base percentage at a normal level.

                I loved playing the Show for PS2 because I could hit and score runs and it was fun doing that. I was excited to finally get a PS3 with the Show because I was looking forward to doing that with the extra added bonus of the real life feel (better graphics and my own imported sounds). I have now barely played any games over the last two weeks because it's too frustrating not to be able to hit to the point where I want to throw my controller through the TV screen.
                you have to stick with it... it's not a pick-up and play awesome game. Don't bitch to TNK & Psycho and everyone else here because you suck at the game. Find better sliders or practice.

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                • Kabashan
                  Rookie
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 15

                  #1163
                  Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

                  Originally posted by korndogg8323
                  I hardly ever walked (still hardly ever do)
                  There, one of your many problems right there, start working the count with patience, with a 3-2 count you will do wonders.

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                  • gminnick9
                    Banned
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 137

                    #1164
                    Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

                    Originally posted by korndogg8323
                    These sliders are crap. This game is crap. The only reason I got an HD TV recently is so I can buy the PS3 and finally play The Show for it. It quickly became the worst $800 I ever spent.

                    No matter what I do I cannot freaking hit in this game. Timing and contact sliders are all the way up. Pitch speed is all the way down. I still cannot hit. My team batting average is all the way down to .240. I am getting beat by pitchers that have no business beating me. I am striking out ab it less, but nothing I hit seems to drop. I make contact on balls right down the middle, and instead of crushing them for hits, they end up going right at the fielder. To make matters worse, the cheap hits are nonexistant. In real life you see a bunch of players get cheap garbage hits on bad pitches. I don't. I check the swing analysis. It seems the only way I can get a hit is if I'm perfect on both timing and contact. That isn't normal either. In real life hitters aren't perfect every single time either and they still get hits.

                    Furthermore, the strike frequency slider, which I also have set all the way down, doesn't seem to be working. The pitchers I face continue to throw mostly first pitch strikes, burying me in 0-2 counts and forcing me to swing at crap. Case in point. My latest game I got shutout and the opposing pitcher with a crappy record and ERA threw all first pitch strikes, a lot of times two straight, and over 80% of the pitches I took hit for strikes. Ridiculous.

                    Oh, and the kicker. I AM PLAYING ON VETERAN! In The Show for PS2, I used to kill the ball while playing on all-star. My team batting average was over .300, which was acceptable because I hardly ever walked (still hardly ever do) and all the extra singles I got compensated for the lack of walks and kept my on base percentage at a normal level.

                    I loved playing the Show for PS2 because I could hit and score runs and it was fun doing that. I was excited to finally get a PS3 with the Show because I was looking forward to doing that with the extra added bonus of the real life feel (better graphics and my own imported sounds). I have now barely played any games over the last two weeks because it's too frustrating not to be able to hit to the point where I want to throw my controller through the TV screen.
                    Make sure you have your tv set to "Game" mode, I don't even play my game on my 56" HDTV because of this issue, even in game mode, I was still late on fastballs. I have since hooked my PS3 up to my 24" widescreen computer monitor and it is perfect!! There was a huge difference in the lag once I switched to the monitor. Plus, you do have to stick with it, trust me, these sliders work and will give you great results. It doesn't matter if you use zone or timing, these sliders work. I would definitely try the monitor route if you don't start hitting soon, it worked wonders for me.

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                    • TNKNGM
                      All Star
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 6784

                      #1165
                      Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

                      Originally posted by korndogg8323
                      These sliders are crap. This game is crap. The only reason I got an HD TV recently is so I can buy the PS3 and finally play The Show for it. It quickly became the worst $800 I ever spent.

                      No matter what I do I cannot freaking hit in this game. Timing and contact sliders are all the way up. Pitch speed is all the way down. I still cannot hit. My team batting average is all the way down to .240. I am getting beat by pitchers that have no business beating me. I am striking out ab it less, but nothing I hit seems to drop. I make contact on balls right down the middle, and instead of crushing them for hits, they end up going right at the fielder. To make matters worse, the cheap hits are nonexistant. In real life you see a bunch of players get cheap garbage hits on bad pitches. I don't. I check the swing analysis. It seems the only way I can get a hit is if I'm perfect on both timing and contact. That isn't normal either. In real life hitters aren't perfect every single time either and they still get hits.

                      Furthermore, the strike frequency slider, which I also have set all the way down, doesn't seem to be working. The pitchers I face continue to throw mostly first pitch strikes, burying me in 0-2 counts and forcing me to swing at crap. Case in point. My latest game I got shutout and the opposing pitcher with a crappy record and ERA threw all first pitch strikes, a lot of times two straight, and over 80% of the pitches I took hit for strikes. Ridiculous.

                      Oh, and the kicker. I AM PLAYING ON VETERAN! In The Show for PS2, I used to kill the ball while playing on all-star. My team batting average was over .300, which was acceptable because I hardly ever walked (still hardly ever do) and all the extra singles I got compensated for the lack of walks and kept my on base percentage at a normal level.

                      I loved playing the Show for PS2 because I could hit and score runs and it was fun doing that. I was excited to finally get a PS3 with the Show because I was looking forward to doing that with the extra added bonus of the real life feel (better graphics and my own imported sounds). I have now barely played any games over the last two weeks because it's too frustrating not to be able to hit to the point where I want to throw my controller through the TV screen.
                      The sliders are crap because you suck at the game? I could give a damn if you like the game or not, but don't sit here and say these sliders are crap when you have two guys who have been working on some of the top slider sets for years and tons of people like these sliders and get great results. That's insulting to myself, Psycho and all the other users who give us feedback and use these sliders.

                      Now is this game perfect? No, but it's very damn good!!!! You need to improve and you are obviously doing something wrong when you tilt all the sliders in your favor to the max and you still suck at the game.....but obviously it's the games fault and our slider set here is crap, right?

                      Do me a favor - start your own thread where you can b_!tch about the game, but keep it out of here. This thread is for this slider set so we can discuss results and suggestions.

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                      • BXBRUINS
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 86

                        #1166
                        Sliders are gr8!! I use them every game I play!! You do good work and put alot of time and effort into it!!! Played sox vs Yankees tonite and lost 1 zip!! Pitching dual!!

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                        • northface28
                          Pro
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 762

                          #1167
                          Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

                          Originally posted by korndogg8323
                          These sliders are crap. This game is crap. The only reason I got an HD TV recently is so I can buy the PS3 and finally play The Show for it. It quickly became the worst $800 I ever spent.

                          No matter what I do I cannot freaking hit in this game. Timing and contact sliders are all the way up. Pitch speed is all the way down. I still cannot hit. My team batting average is all the way down to .240. I am getting beat by pitchers that have no business beating me. I am striking out ab it less, but nothing I hit seems to drop. I make contact on balls right down the middle, and instead of crushing them for hits, they end up going right at the fielder. To make matters worse, the cheap hits are nonexistant. In real life you see a bunch of players get cheap garbage hits on bad pitches. I don't. I check the swing analysis. It seems the only way I can get a hit is if I'm perfect on both timing and contact. That isn't normal either. In real life hitters aren't perfect every single time either and they still get hits.

                          Furthermore, the strike frequency slider, which I also have set all the way down, doesn't seem to be working. The pitchers I face continue to throw mostly first pitch strikes, burying me in 0-2 counts and forcing me to swing at crap. Case in point. My latest game I got shutout and the opposing pitcher with a crappy record and ERA threw all first pitch strikes, a lot of times two straight, and over 80% of the pitches I took hit for strikes. Ridiculous.

                          Oh, and the kicker. I AM PLAYING ON VETERAN! In The Show for PS2, I used to kill the ball while playing on all-star. My team batting average was over .300, which was acceptable because I hardly ever walked (still hardly ever do) and all the extra singles I got compensated for the lack of walks and kept my on base percentage at a normal level.

                          I loved playing the Show for PS2 because I could hit and score runs and it was fun doing that. I was excited to finally get a PS3 with the Show because I was looking forward to doing that with the extra added bonus of the real life feel (better graphics and my own imported sounds). I have now barely played any games over the last two weeks because it's too frustrating not to be able to hit to the point where I want to throw my controller through the TV screen.
                          Please, relax.

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                          • TNKNGM
                            All Star
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 6784

                            #1168
                            Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

                            TNK - RED SOX FRANCHISE

                            Game #38 of The Season


                            The Red Sox scored all their offense in the 4th as Ortiz hit a 3-run HR and Saltalamacchia added a solo shot. Clay Buchholz pitched well and the bullpen got the job done despite a scary 9th inning from Papelbon as the Blue Jays had the tying and winning runs in scoring position and Jose Bautista on deck with 2 outs. Papelbon was able to make some very good pitches and strike Arencibia out to end the game and pickup his 12th save of the season.

                            <html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><link href="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/css/osdyn.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"></head><body><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td align="center" colspan="13">BOS at TOR - Rogers Centre</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="40%">May 11, 2011</td><td align="right" width="5%">1</td><td align="right" width="5%">2</td><td align="right" width="5%">3</td><td align="right" width="5%">4</td><td align="right" width="5%">5</td><td align="right" width="5%">6</td><td align="right" width="5%">7</td><td align="right" width="5%">8</td><td align="right" width="5%">9</td><td align="right" width="5%">R</td><td align="right" width="5%">H</td><td align="right" width="5%">E</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Boston Red Sox (23-15)</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right" class="active">4</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Toronto Blue Jays (16-21)</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right" class="active">3</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" colspan="13"><b>W:</b> Clay Buchholz (5-2) <b>L:</b> Brandon Morrow (3-4) <b>S:</b> Jonathan Papelbon (12)</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td colspan="5">Scoring Summary</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="3" width="84%">SCORING DETAILS</td><td align="right" width="8%">BOS</td><td align="right" width="8%">TOR</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="7%"><img src="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/images/logos/small/mlb/TOR.png" height="25" width="25"></td><td align="center" width="7%">2</td><td width="70%">Juan Rivera sac fly to LF (Bautista scores)</td><td align="right" width="8%">0</td><td align="right" width="8%">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="7%"><img src="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/images/logos/small/mlb/BOS.png" height="25" width="25"></td><td align="center" width="7%">4</td><td width="70%">David Ortiz 3-run HR to LF (Gonzalez & Youkilis score)</td><td align="right" width="8%">3</td><td align="right" width="8%">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="7%"><img src="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/images/logos/small/mlb/BOS.png" height="25" width="25"></td><td align="center" width="7%">4</td><td width="70%">Jarrod Saltalamacchia solo HR to RF</td><td align="right" width="8%">4</td><td align="right" width="8%">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="7%"><img src="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/images/logos/small/mlb/TOR.png" height="25" width="25"></td><td align="center" width="7%">6</td><td width="70%">Juan Rivera singled to (Arencibia scores)</td><td align="right" width="8%">4</td><td align="right" width="8%">2</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="7%"><img src="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/images/logos/small/mlb/TOR.png" height="25" width="25"></td><td align="center" width="7%">9</td><td width="70%">Yunel Escobar doubled to LF (Rivera scores)</td><td align="right" width="8%">4</td><td align="right" width="8%">3</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#EE1422" colspan="9"><span style="color:#FFFFFF">Boston Red Sox</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="41%">HITTERS</td><td align="right" width="7%">AB</td><td align="right" width="7%">R</td><td align="right" width="7%">H</td><td align="right" width="7%">RBI</td><td align="right" width="7%">BB</td><td align="right" width="7%">SO</td><td align="right" width="7%">HR</td><td align="right" width="10%">AVG</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td colspan="9"><b><u>BATTING:</u></b><br /><b>2B:</b> Youkilis<br /><b>HR:</b> Ortiz, Saltalamacchia<br /><b>RBI:</b> Ortiz 3, Saltalamacchia<br /><b>HBP:</b> Pedroia<br /><b>SAC:</b> Ellsbury</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td colspan="9"><b><u>BASERUNNING:</u></b><br /><b>SB:</b> Crawford</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td colspan="9"><b><u>FIELDING:</u></b><br /><b>E:</b> Buchholz</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#0061A0" colspan="9"><span style="color:#FFFFFF">Toronto Blue Jays</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="41%">HITTERS</td><td align="right" width="7%">AB</td><td align="right" width="7%">R</td><td align="right" width="7%">H</td><td align="right" width="7%">RBI</td><td align="right" width="7%">BB</td><td align="right" width="7%">SO</td><td align="right" width="7%">HR</td><td align="right" width="10%">AVG</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td colspan="9"><b><u>BATTING:</u></b><br /><b>2B:</b> Escobar<br /><b>3B:</b> Bautista<br /><b>RBI:</b> Rivera 2, Escobar<br /><b>SF:</b> Rivera</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td colspan="9"><b><u>FIELDING:</u></b><br /><b>E:</b> Escobar</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#EE1422" colspan="9"><span style="color:#FFFFFF">Boston Red Sox</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="41%">PITCHERS</td><td align="right" width="7%">IP</td><td align="right" width="7%">H</td><td align="right" width="7%">R</td><td align="right" width="7%">ER</td><td align="right" width="7%">BB</td><td align="right" width="7%">SO</td><td align="right" width="7%">HR</td><td align="right" width="10%">ERA</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Clay Buchholz (W, 5-2)</td><td align="right">5.2</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right" class="active">3.35</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Matt Albers</td><td align="right">1.1</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right" class="active">1.74</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Daniel Bard</td><td align="right">1.0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right" class="active">5.19</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Jonathan Papelbon (S, 12)</td><td align="right">1.0</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right" class="active">2.08</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#0061A0" colspan="9"><span style="color:#FFFFFF">Toronto Blue Jays</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="41%">PITCHERS</td><td align="right" width="7%">IP</td><td align="right" width="7%">H</td><td align="right" width="7%">R</td><td align="right" width="7%">ER</td><td align="right" width="7%">BB</td><td align="right" width="7%">SO</td><td align="right" width="7%">HR</td><td align="right" width="10%">ERA</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Brandon Morrow (L, 3-4)</td><td align="right">5.0</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right" class="active">5.04</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Mark Rzepczynski</td><td align="right">2.0</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right" class="active">2.29</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Casey Janssen</td><td align="right">2.0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right" class="active">1.08</td></tr></table></body></html>

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                            • bpete07
                              Pro
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 542

                              #1169
                              Re: TNK &amp; PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

                              TNKNGM, great sliders, this is my 1st year with the show and have been enjoying a Red Sox season myself. I know Psycho indicated he bumped up timing to 6 and that's how I've been playing. With it at 5, do you see more bloopers, dripplers, etc? Just wanted to get your feedback as if I remember right, you left it at 5.

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                              • gman2774
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 1071

                                #1170
                                Re: TNK &amp; PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

                                Any reason to think these wouldn't work on Vet level? I realize much depends on your individual skill level but I'm curious to know if there would be anything fundamentally wrong at the vet level. Thanks!!

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