2015 Chicago Cubs

[MrOldboy]

Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

Yes, this same guy did the same thing last year with Cubs OSFM. Likes to buzz the tower of all things Cubs to feed his Cubs vs Sox inferiority complex....make it seem like Cubs fans are sticking it to him somehow.

Not only that, but he appears to think what you have for POT is actually OVR ratings. I would agree that a 90-92 OVR for Castro is too high at this point. But, to say his POT is scraping the lowest B is commit-yourself-to-an-asylum looney. Average defense at SS with .300 20 HR potential and just barely 25 years old by OD.

You have to keep in mind position when looking at The Show overalls. Make a player and than change his position and watch how it affects his overall.

People get very hung up on overall in the game, but in the end it does not mean player A is better than player B in most cases.

[seanjeezy]

Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

Yes, this same guy did the same thing last year with Cubs OSFM. Likes to buzz the tower of all things Cubs to feed his Cubs vs Sox inferiority complex....make it seem like Cubs fans are sticking it to him somehow.

Not only that, but he appears to think what you have for POT is actually OVR ratings. I would agree that a 90-92 OVR for Castro is too high at this point. But, to say his POT is scraping the lowest B is commit-yourself-to-an-asylum looney. Average defense at SS with .300 20 HR potential and just barely 25 years old by OD.

What you just described is an 86 OVR

+10 to L/R contact
+10 to L/R power
+10 to fielding ability

After doing those things I get 86 - remember that it takes either an a) exceptionally well rounded player or b) 2+ elite tools to crack 90. For example, the latter would look like this:

+20 to L/R contact
+10 to L/R power
+30 to fielding

I get a 91 after doing this.

Personally I think Castro peaks at 4 wins, which is about a mid-80's overall.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

You have to keep in mind position when looking at The Show overalls. Make a player and than change his position and watch how it affects his overall.

People get very hung up on overall in the game, but in the end it does not mean player A is better than player B in most cases.

Actually my point was that people are conflating OVR and POT when they shouldn't be. Too many people think ratings when they see 90 POT.

I don't care much about OVRs either.

What you just described is an 86 OVR

+10 to L/R contact
+10 to L/R power
+10 to fielding ability

After doing those things I get 86 - remember that it takes either an a) exceptionally well rounded player or b) 2+ elite tools to crack 90. For example, the latter would look like this:

+20 to L/R contact
+10 to L/R power
+30 to fielding

I get a 91 after doing this.

Personally I think Castro peaks at 4 wins, which is about a mid-80's overall.

Problem with this analysis is that you're hardcapping Castro at numbers I scribbled out on the back of a napkin. When setting potential, it's important to build in room to grow. While it's most likely that Castro simply hits .290 with about 15 HR and passable defense for the forseeable future, one has to consider the possibility he could go for .315 and 25 HR at his peak (in the right lineup and with the right coaching/attitude). He could also improve on his defense. That's why a low A POT is fair for the 24 year old 3x All Star that plays SS.

I agree with your ~4 win projection, but it's pretty easy to make Castro a 90 OVR, without roiding him up anywhere in particular, if you fool around with the sliders long enough. There are a lot more ways to do it than just drastically boosting a few sliders.

[seanjeezy]

Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

Actually my point was that people are conflating OVR and POT when they shouldn't be. Too many people think ratings when they see 90 POT.

I don't care much about OVRs either.



Problem with this analysis is that you're hardcapping Castro at numbers I scribbled out on the back of a napkin. When setting potential, it's important to build in room to grow. While it's most likely that Castro simply hits .290 with about 15 HR and passable defense for the forseeable future, one has to consider the possibility he could go for .315 and 25 HR at his peak (in the right lineup and with the right coaching/attitude). He could also improve on his defense. That's why a low A POT is fair for the 24 year old 3x All Star that plays SS.

I agree with your ~4 win projection, but it's pretty easy to make Castro a 90 OVR, without roiding him up anywhere in particular, if you fool around with the sliders long enough. There are a lot more ways to do it than just drastically boosting a few sliders.

Of course I'm hardcapping, I just said I expected him to peak around 4 wins... the numbers you are suggesting go far beyond that. That kind of batting line with average defense is Andrew McCutchen...

I just gave you two scenarios, one of which you yourself provided, that proves how hard it is to hit 90 OVR in this game. If you go by Knight's charts, the second scenario I provided has Castro batting ~.320 with 20 HR's and a 95 defensive rating. To call that a pipe dream is an understatement, and despite all of that, he still only rates out to a 91. What it comes down to is what Mr Oldboy said, and how certain positions value certain attributes more than others. For a SS, fielding and throwing top the list.

Now move him to second base and that's where you get your A potential.

Still, I'm a little concerned with how you see potential in this game. With all of the opportunities to gain or even lose potential, settling for a more realistic rating is best IMO. The number of players that actually hit their ceiling are few and far between - starting at the middle ground gives a player a wider range of outcomes as opposed to setting him too high, which eliminates the chance for a bust. If there was a legitimate bust factor in the game then I would be in the same boat as you, but there's not, so its better to err on the safe side.

[Figment]

Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

I too agree that people get too hung up on overall ratings. What matters most to me is that the player's individual attributes fit the skills I want at that position. I think his potential is accurately a low 90 if not exactly a 90. He is still very young in the league, but I don't know how much more potential growth we can expect to see from him. Maybe a bit more plate discipline with age, which if he started taking walks with his batting average his OBP would be through the roof. I think his defense gets a little underrated at times simply because of his attention miscues over time, but his fielding is actually pretty good in my opinion. I think what we see is what we get though, a slightly above average hitter with a good batting average, decent on base percentage, decent base running skills, and a lot of years ahead of him still. He may have a 25 HR year, but like you said, it is a peak with the right situations helping him to get there. I don't think it's too far off that he will have more years hitting .300 or higher though. Most importantly, I don't think he is going anywhere.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

Of course I'm hardcapping, I just said I expected him to peak around 4 wins... the numbers you are suggesting go far beyond that. That kind of batting line with average defense is Andrew McCutchen...

I just gave you two scenarios, one of which you yourself provided, that proves how hard it is to hit 90 OVR in this game. If you go by Knight's charts, the second scenario I provided has Castro batting ~.320 with 20 HR's and a 95 defensive rating. To call that a pipe dream is an understatement, and despite all of that, he still only rates out to a 91. What it comes down to is what Mr Oldboy said, and how certain positions value certain attributes more than others. For a SS, fielding and throwing top the list.

Now move him to second base and that's where you get your A potential.

Still, I'm a little concerned with how you see potential in this game. With all of the opportunities to gain or even lose potential, settling for a more realistic rating is best IMO. The number of players that actually hit their ceiling are few and far between - starting at the middle ground gives a player a wider range of outcomes as opposed to setting him too high, which eliminates the chance for a bust. If there was a legitimate bust factor in the game then I would be in the same boat as you, but there's not, so its better to err on the safe side.

I'll be honest and just say I don't see what the point of your argument is...that Castro should have a POT closer to 84 than 91? That just wouldn't jibe with all the random mid B prospects that OSFM is soon to create, because it would be implying they would eventually have the same impact (same OVR or whatever) as a 3x All Star that's still growing. This is especially true since you mentioned there not being a bust factor.

I also don't necessarily see the need to justify a POT with some random set of future ratings being achievable. To me, POT and OVR are completely separate entities and OVR means next to nothing to me (as long as the better players are relatively higher than the worser players in aggregate). I'm just not the type to parse every point of OVR. Someone with mid A POT might hit 99 OVR, or 95 OVR, or 88 OVR. That's to be determined by progression in the game which can't necessarily be predicted. Giving Castro a 90 POT doesn't mean he becomes Andrew McCutchen later on.

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

Yes, this same guy did the same thing last year with Cubs OSFM. Likes to buzz the tower of all things Cubs to feed his Cubs vs Sox inferiority complex....make it seem like Cubs fans are sticking it to him somehow.

Not only that, but he appears to think what you have for POT is actually OVR ratings. I would agree that a 90-92 OVR for Castro is too high at this point. But, to say his POT is scraping the lowest B is commit-yourself-to-an-asylum looney. Average defense at SS with .300 20 HR potential and just barely 25 years old by OD.

I bolded the correct things in this reply.

[CubsWillRiseAgain]

Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

Starlin is a terrific young player, and will be a main cog in the lineup for many years, but right now hes not a 90+ overall. But if we're talking potential, he has a fantastic hit tool, and developing power which will be aided by his large frame, could very well develop into a .280+ hitter (he already is a .280+ hitter) with 25 bombs. Which i would call A potential. His potential should be 90 or mor with his powerful body, developing power, and improving defense (though that very likely will not be very good at any point).

If you have a 3x all star shortstop in his early 20s, who has the potential to hit 25 homers, hit .280+ with passable defense, in this day an age that's A potential.

[MrOldboy]

Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

Putting out a notice for help with OSFM.

Mostly with faces. I still cannot figure out the editor. I'd really like to get the big prospects either remade, plus the ones that haven't been in OSFM before. Someone sent me some pretty good ones last year, but after OSFM was out.

ST is starting soon so if anyone catches photos, video, etc from Cubs prospects during live games go ahead and post them. I try to use ST as the most recent reference for equipment, stances, etc for the top prospects that get invited. Everything else I try to use day games from the previous year.

Also if minor league players have specific equipment contracts or clear preferences that can be included this year.

I've noted down a lot of opinions regarding potentials, roster formation, etc from here as well as usual. I'll try and get everyone in that people like, but I still would like to make a balanced farm system for OSFM meaning positions and level (A, AA, AAA) will matter.

[OhioCub]

Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

Putting out a notice for help with OSFM.

Mostly with faces. I still cannot figure out the editor. I'd really like to get the big prospects either remade, plus the ones that haven't been in OSFM before. Someone sent me some pretty good ones last year, but after OSFM was out.

ST is starting soon so if anyone catches photos, video, etc from Cubs prospects during live games go ahead and post them. I try to use ST as the most recent reference for equipment, stances, etc for the top prospects that get invited. Everything else I try to use day games from the previous year.

Also if minor league players have specific equipment contracts or clear preferences that can be included this year.

I've noted down a lot of opinions regarding potentials, roster formation, etc from here as well as usual. I'll try and get everyone in that people like, but I still would like to make a balanced farm system for OSFM meaning positions and level (A, AA, AAA) will matter.

The nice thing about it this year is, you don't have to load it up with A ball players to make it a quality system as a good portion of the AAA and AA rosters will be made up of prospects (of course, there will be some career minor leaguers in AAA as always lol)

[MrOldboy]

Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

The nice thing about it this year is, you don't have to load it up with A ball players to make it a quality system as a good portion of the AAA and AA rosters will be made up of prospects (of course, there will be some career minor leaguers in AAA as always lol)

Well I took over the Cubs for OSFM a few years ago when the Cubs started to really become a top minor league system. It only makes it harder to fill the roster out since you need the system to be balanced, but also include the most deserving players. At least there are deserving catchers in the system now.

[ShowTyme15]

Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

Here is the team color guide for the Cubs. This is useful when editing equipment. I'll double check this when 15 drops and update if need be.

Team Color 1: Cubs Blue (Same blue as their caps)
Team Color 2: Red
Team Color 3: Black

[Figment]

2015 Chicago Cubs

Many seem to think that Mike Olt is destined as the 3B/1B backup or back in the minor leagues this year, some even think he is a trade candidate, but what if he is finally putting everything together and is turning into the player everyone thought he would be before he had all the vision problems? This could be a great problem for the Cubs. It could definitely call for Bryant to switch to outfield and that could make an amazing roster:

C Miguel Montero/David Ross
1B Anthony Rizzo
2B Tommy La Stella
3B Mike Olt
SS Starlin Castro
LF Kris Bryant
CF Dexter Fowler
RF Jorge Soler

Util Arismendy Alcantara
OF Chris Coghlan
OF Chris Denorfia

Something like this could leave only one roster spot left, maybe Jonathan Herrera to play infield, Szczur could force his way on to the roster, but the Cubs have too many outfielders. I do not think Baez will be in the Majors out of spring, I think he will go to AAA to work on pitch recognition, and if we are being honest, he didn't actually do that good in AAA to rate a call up last year, he needs more time to develop.

What do you guys think?

[OhioCub]

Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

Some notes from minor league camp (most of these guys probably won't be on OSFM but I thought I'd list em just in case):

Former OF Ariel Ovando has been converted to P
Former C Mark Malave has been converted to P
Former IF Gioskar Amaya has been converted to C
Former IF Jordan Hankins has been converted to C

[Figment]

Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

Any idea when the teams usually start sending players down to the minors to start getting more reps to the possible MLB players?