OS94 (MLB 15) Topic

[Phil Parent]

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I totally need to know where the player ratings came from. There are a TON of players below 50 OVR. I know 1994 was strike shortened but there are so many ratings all lover the place. Like a guy having contact vsR at like 90 and then vsL at like 5. I get splits and all but that is too big of a split.

The original data was Knight's, so he used the OSFM charts. I've barely touched most of the MLBers ratings and they were his, I just ported his set by hand last year. Most minor leaguers are mine, or mined from other mods that I've modified to bring them in line with this mod. I loved the original 1994 mod and people loved it too, it was the most popular historical set the year it came out, in 201....2?

I really respect Knight. So if he says that Ty Van Burkleo was worthy of a 29 OV and that this worked good in the game, then that's what I copied over. I like the range of OVs, it makes the big leaguers seem that much better.

It's not perfect. But I put lots of effort in trying to make it realistic and franchise ready, last year I made everybody with the appropriate Years Of Service so that they'd fall free agents at the right time, this year I will make the research and make sure everybody has their actual contract with the 2015 equivalent of the money they made in 1994. And of course, finish the 90-man rosters.

[jermars666]

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The original data was Knight's, so he used the OSFM charts. I've barely touched most of the MLBers ratings and they were his, I just ported his set by hand last year. Most minor leaguers are mine, or mined from other mods that I've modified to bring them in line with this mod. I loved it and people loved it too, it was the most popular historical set the year it came out, in 201....2?

I really respect Knight. So if he says that Ty Van Burkleo was worthy of a 29 OV and that this worked good in the game, then that's what I copied over. I like the range of OVs, it makes the big leaguers seem that much better.

Fair enough. I was just curious. I like the big leaguers better than minors guys too, But I can tell the only thing taken into account was raw stats from that year and was just meant to play out as a single season. JT Snow was injured and had a off year and is rated a 48, 1995 he has one of his best years. Mark McGwire a 68 OVR and 10 vsL Contact... Will be interesting to sim this set for sure.

[jermars666]

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And I am not complaining Phil, I love this set for real. Just some things that open my eyes as I am doing a 2008 version of the Pirates and how the roster tools skew a bad or a good year for a player.

[Phil Parent]

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Thought about editing both. Or offering a downloadable player to fix them.

I did fix Butch Henry who was WAY too good in the original data.

I've fixed the potentials of all the players in the game, so as to control how the game evolves the players over multiple season. My system is not perfect (Very old players shouldn't have A potentials, even though they had awesome career that would have earned them an A when they were young and even though that's how the default data does it... very old guys headed to retirement that had A potential should have their current OV as potential, max; this way they don't improve and overstay their welcome.

QUOTE=jermars666;2047380735]And I am not complaining Phil, I love this set for real. Just some things that open my eyes as I am doing a 2008 version of the Pirates and how the roster tools skew a bad or a good year for a player.[/QUOTE]

Ha ha, I took it as constructive criticism.

[jermars666]

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Ha ha, I took it as constructive criticism.

I am glad you took it as such. I personally think you should go and make this roster your own. Or ask Knight if you can roll with it as your own. It's been a long time since 2011 was out and lots have changed in how the game plays. Did they even have franchise mode back then? I can't remember. 1994 was the year I graduated HS so I was going to do a RTTS with your roster. But for RTTS or Franchise the ratings are definitely going to have to be looked over. Take McGwire as an example again. A 30 year old with a 68 OVR and A potential well he will probably never achieve that potential ever. Or barely reach it. There are a bunch of others, he is just one of the best examples that the ratings are purely for a single season experience. I just think some things need to be looked over. A great base for sure as it stands. But I can see the rosters getting filled with a large number of draftees in the first year or two. Maybe a three year average for the ratings would bring a bit of a better balance.

[Phil Parent]

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I've made an experiment. Simmed a year and counted the draftees that made the MLB rosters in season 2.

First of all, my data is a bit different than v1 now. Tampa Bay is no longer full of generics. They now have a roster full of minor league scrubs that were free agents in 1994. They are all in their mid 20's and in the 50s and low 60s OV.

Not related, but Tampa did retain those guys in Year 2 and improved on that roster. They won around 35 games in Year 1, compared to Generic'd out Arizona 6 wins. This will improve realism for teams playing them.

Anyways. 6 draftees from year 1 made their MLB teams on year 2.

4 players from the real life 2014 MLB Draft have played in MLB already since the draft.

So, considering that there's still a bunch of generics rated in the 40's in there, including a team full of them designed to retire after year 1, I don't think the rosters are going to get filled up by draftees once it's done.

[jermars666]

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I've made an experiment. Simmed a year and counted the draftees that made the MLB rosters in season 2.

First of all, my data is a bit different than v1 now. Tampa Bay is no longer full of generics. They now have a roster full of minor league scrubs that were free agents in 1994. They are all in their mid 20's and in the 50s and low 60s OV.

Not related, but Tampa did retain those guys in Year 2 and improved on that roster. They won around 35 games in Year 1, compared to Generic'd out Arizona 6 wins. This will improve realism for teams playing them.

Anyways. 6 draftees from year 1 made their MLB teams on year 2.

4 players from the real life 2014 MLB Draft have played in MLB already since the draft.

So, considering that there's still a bunch of generics rated in the 40's in there, including a team full of them designed to retire after year 1, I don't think the rosters are going to get filled up by draftees once it's done.

How do the stats sim out? I was going to make a 25-man of this and sim a few seasons to see how they compare to real life. Also the progression is something I am interested in. I have read some weird things on other threads on other roster sets.

[jermars666]

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OMG I finally found the spelling error in the roster I was talking about a while back. Dave Winfield for Minnesota is spelled Windfield. Oh and the 1B for the pirates Brian Raynold Hunter is in the roster throwing Right and batting Right. He actually throws Left and Bats Right.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...untebr01.shtml

Minor I know but I am OSD and a perfectionist myself.

[Phil Parent]

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Fixed!

Here's some results... I'll keep adding to this post.

First of all, Arizona gets beaten in the double digits pretty much every game and often in the 20's, so that affects all of this but at the end of the day, everybody beats them the same so the best remain the best, HOWEVER, the NL West players stats are inflated by the fact that they play them more often. And it shows in the results. They finished 2-160, 96 games behind the Rockies in first place. The no-longer generic'd out but still scrubby Tampa Bay finished with a 26-136 record. I'd like the two expansion teams to win around 50 games in the final version.

8 of my Top 10 Home Run hitters were in the real Top 10 for the shortened 1994 season (Griffey, Thomas, Galarraga, Bagwell, Belle, Williams, McGriff, Bonds). The two missing ones (Mitchell & Canseco) each batted 30+ homeruns anyway and were replaced by Mo Vaughn and Joe Carter, who were both near the real Top 10.

Speaking of the Arizona Factor: 4 NL West batters led the league for RBIs (Galarraga, Piazza, Williams, Bonds). The next best point producer? Bagwell, the best for RBIs in real 1994.

4 of the top 6 for Saves is the same, in the same positions. Smith, Franco, Beck & Wetteland. Real world top 10 Trevor Hoffman is 4th and John Hudek had a hell of a year and ended 5th.

Randy Johnson won the AL Cy Young, with Jimmy Key and David Cone as runner ups. In real life, Cone won, with Key and Johnson as runnerups. Saberhagen won in the NL, he was third in real life.

Bob Hamelin won the AL Rookie Of The Year award, both real life and in sim. Higginson and Pettite as runner ups. Mondesi won the NL Rookie Of The Year, both real life and in sim. Steve Trachsel (who finished fourth in real life) and Kevin Foster (who DEFINITIVELY needs a rating drop) were the runnerups.

Gallaraga won NL MVP. I'm saying Arizona Factor caused this. Bonds (who finished fourth IRL) and Saberhagen (who did get votes for it) were the runner-ups. In the AL, Griffey won it (real-life runner-up) and Thomas was the runner-up (real-life winner). Randy Johnson finished third.

Now, I'll sim 4 seasons so see where the game world is after 5 seasons.

Hideo Nomo won ROY in Year 2! Same as real life!

Not counting Tampa Bay's roster (which is gradually replacing its scrubs with draftees), only 6 draftees are on the starting lineups of their MLB teams to begin the third year.

Year 3 MVPs. Griffey & Thomas, the guys who finished 1st and 3rd in the AL MVP voting in 1997. N.L. runner-up is Mike Piazza, real-life runner-up in 1997. AL runnerups Vaughn and Sosa both got votes IRL.

[jermars666]

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What sliders are you using? I am not 100% sure cuz it was like 6am and I didn't check against real life stats but I think there were a lot of complete games. Like I said not sure cuz it was so early or late LOL. I sort of did and expansion draft for TB and ARZ by moving free agents over to the ML teams, about 26-27 of them. both teams got about 25-28 wins or so in that season. Oddly enough when I did that "draft" It made Arizona ranked #2 in Power and Tampa Bay ranked #1 in fielding LOL. And I think the ROY was Bob Hamelin and Lee Stevens. I know it was Stevens for sure. And George Brett had 18 stolem bases LOL at 41 years old hahah.

[Phil Parent]

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That Brett thing is the kind of thing I like to see reported. That's not realistic.

I'm using the default sliders. Maybe I could create sliders for the set that would fix some general issues.

[jermars666]

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That Brett thing is the kind of thing I like to see reported. That's not realistic.

I'm using the default sliders. Maybe I could create sliders for the set that would fix some general issues.

I was using armor and swords sliders. I don't know how those would work out when simming. On George Brett, I went and dropped his speed to like 40 or something and he had around 8 SB with 5 or 6 CS. I didn't adjust his stealing frequency. Oh and on year Spike Owen was second for the batting title at .356. Second to Wade Boggs at .375. Wade Boggs I can see but not Spike Owen. Oh and Jack Howell from the Free Agents, I put him on the Diamonbacks and 2 sims in a row he put up an average of .180 or less. Had some decent players around him like Lee Stevens. I don't know if that one is a fluke cuz his rating bear out that he should be better than that. And one more that stands out. I know Henry Cotto played in Japan in 1994 and retired after 1995 but when simmed 2 years in a row he struck out over 200 times. Granted that is 600+ Plate appearances but he struck out far more than Rob Deer did who barely hit 150 K's.

[Phil Parent]

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Montreal Expos (Day 1 of Year 6 AKA 1999) (Pos, Player & OV) (Roster is CPU Generated)

SP: Pedro Martinez (98) (Won the CY that year)
SP: Curt Schilling (93) (AS that year, I'd say that's fair)
SP: Kirk Rueter (88) (Went over his 86 Potential. Heh, he won 15 that year)
SP: Jeff Fassero (86) (Should be way lower at this point. Prime was between 94 and 96)
SP: Ken Hill (85) (See Fassero)
LRP: Draftee (82) (They're editable, there's something to be done with those...)
LRP: Javier Vazquez (80) (Well, he would be the 4th starter if Fassero & Hill would have declined faster. Fair.)
LRP: Carlos Perez (80) (WOW. The CPU decided that Perez wasn't going to be a total bust and took him from the 72 Potential that I gave him to an 84 potential. Random CPU Variance here.
MRP: Alberto Reyes (73) (Fair.)
SU: Jeff Shaw (80) (Maybe a little low. One of the best relievers in the game at the time)
SU: Ugueth Urbina (85) (Totally fair! Maybe even a little low. 41 saves in 99! Would be the CP here but...)
CP: John Wetteland (91) (In this world, the Expos have money. By the way, this is the best 7-8-9 inning squad EVER.)

C: Darrin Fletcher (79) (Fair)
C: Lenny Webster (72) (Fair, maybe a little high. Backup.)
C: Tim Spehr (66) (Fair. maybe a little low. Another backup) (Waived to AAA)
1B: Cliff Floyd (82) (Totally fair. Coming along)
1B: Paul Sorrento (77) (I'd say definitively too high)
2B: Mike Lansing (77) (Fair?)
2B: Jose Vidro (75) (Probably low.) (Waived to AAA)
3B: Sean Berry (79) (OOF. Way too high. BTW, Shane Andrews' development has totally stalled and I don't think he'll ever play for the team...rated 67...)
SS: Orlando Cabrera (83) (Maybe too high, but O-Dog would win his golden glove two years later so... always a rock)
AAA-SS: Mark Grudzielanek (82) (Fair. But made to rot in the minors, really? Wish we could edit options.)
LF: Jeff Conine (91) (Hmmm... high.)
LF: Draftee
CF: Vladimir Guerrero (92) (Oh yeah! He took the job of this guy...)
CF: Rondell White (83) (Fair. I guess White losing his job to Vlad was karma for him taking...)
CF: Marquis Grissom (78) (...this guy's job. Fair OV.)
RF: Larry Walker (97) (One of the best in baseball at the time, fair. Expos have ****LOADS of money in this.)

NOTE: This team won the World Series.

So what I take from this is something that I said previously: I have to redo the potentials of the older guys to factor in career curve starting in 1994 and not just career overall potential.

Around the league....

- Chipper Jones is the best third baseman in baseball.
- Kerry Wood is the ace in Chicago. The injury never happened.
- Derek Jeter somehow ended up in Pittsburgh and is a 95. Jason Kendall is an 89. Young Aramis Ramirez stole Jeff King's job and will start at 3B with 76.
- Todd Helton is the king of the mountain in Denver (92)
- Juan Gonzalez is in San Fran and is a 91 (IRL, he was MVP in 1998)
- Nomar is starting for the Red Sox (92)
- Rivera is closing for the Yankees (99)
- Mark McGwire is 35 years old and has a 78 OV. His best HR total in 5 years is 25. But, he said no to drugs, I guess. BTW, he's the backup at first base for the Jays, behind Saint John Olerud (99) (He wasn't THAT good... potential fix here.)
- Durham (85), Cameron (88...) and Ordonez (81) all start for the White Sox.
- Manny is nowhere near his real 1999 form, but he'll get there. Starting for Cleveland
- Bobby Higginson, 90? Hmm...
- Johnny Damon is a 92... high for 1999, I'd say.
- Jason Giambi said YES to drugs and is about to rule Oakland (98.)
- A-Rod NEEDS to be better in 1994. Only an 80 in 1999. Big Papi has an 80 too, but in his case, it's okay for now.
- Pudge would be the best catcher in baseball if Piazza didn't exist.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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...George Brett had 18 stolem bases LOL at 41 years old hahah.

That Brett thing is the kind of thing I like to see reported. That's not realistic.

On George Brett, I went and dropped his speed to like 40 or something and he had around 8 SB with 5 or 6 CS. I didn't adjust his stealing frequency.

By my own personal rating Brett would have a 27 BR Agg. which isn't far from his original 33 rating.
52 Stealing vs his original 26 rating. Which IMO far too low.
and 32 Speed vs his original 80 rating. Which, again IMO, far too high .

I set it where Brett played DH & 1B all season, had 609 AB's in 162 games.
He hit .233 & 6 steals in 10 att.


I then simmed a season with him as a bencher & original ratings.
He hit .225 4 steals in 6 att. (around 170 AB's)

When I simmed a season with Brett as an everyday starter & original ratings:
He hit .257 in 604 AB's again 4 steals in 6 att.
Resimmed the last scenario & got:
Brett hit .261 in 605 AB 10 steals in 18 att.
Resimmed again, got:
He hit .237 in 603 AB 6 steals in 10 att.
So even with too high 80 speed & too low 26 steal ability, it's possible to see good sim numbers.
Summary: Great work Phil & Knight!

[Ghost Of The Year]

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- Mark McGwire is 35 years old and has a 78 OV. His best HR total in 5 years is 25. But, he said no to drugs, I guess.
- Jason Giambi said YES to drugs and is about to rule Oakland (98.)
- A-Rod NEEDS to be better in 1994. Only an 80 in 1999.

Well, apparently ARod was using peds IRL before Texas, evidence your 80 in '99 with NO ped.