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  • BegBy
    Banned
    • Feb 2009
    • 1212

    #106
    Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

    Speaking for myself from a batting perspective, I truly do find the lower movement ratings on breaking balls a lot more realistic and much, much harder to hit. I find a curve with 99 break to be way too easy to spot. It comes out of a lot of pitchers hands and lofts up first, then slowly rolls toward the plate dropping very obviously. I do know that this happens in baseball also. Sometimes you see pitchers throw a curve and their release is off and it goes up and then usually either the hitter gets a great read and takes a serious cut at it or lets it hit the 58 foot mark and waits for the next pitch. However with lower movement on break ratings I find breaking balls way harder to pick up. They break hard and late...and I get fooled a lot. I play on HoF with pitch speed at 8, so maybe that contributes.

    While pitching I honestly do not find a lot of movement any more successful than a little movement. Although I do find the cpu easy to K once you get into a groove. If anything, and I'm not trying to stir up crap, I find lower break ratings a bit easier to get K's or spot my pitches with. That could just be me or my sliders or what teams I am facing etc. It could easily just be in my head too.

    I have already said a few things about WTNY's edits, both good and bad. Regardless of what I think or thought, I can easily make my own edits as I see fit and I see great results. I also think that if you use his pitch edits and his player edits (he has another thread and it's truly excellent work) you see a much more palatable brand of baseball. The 2 combined with slider tweaks and any edits you want to use, in my experience, have quite literally changed the game. In a hugely positive way. Almost a different game. Not unlike good roster edits for the NBA 2K series, once you find the right mix with The Show, it's like a new title and it's way, way more realistic.

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    • keymax
      Rookie
      • Jul 2009
      • 137

      #107
      Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

      Which sliders are you guys using? I like the edits from a hitting perspective but I rarely get more than 4 or 5 K's a game now. (HOF + difficulty with command and control lowered by one tick)

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      • WaitTilNextYear
        Go Cubs Go
        • Mar 2013
        • 16830

        #108
        Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

        Originally posted by knich
        My only question is since these edits are only done to MLB players, if a minor league player is called up, will the minor league player be a better pitcher than the established MLB because the minor league player will still be on SCEA ratings?
        I don't see why that would be the case. If you are worried about that you could always edit minor league pitchers to make them slightly worse. That's up to you. But, there is more to a pitcher than just the pitch edits and the pitch edits also don't appear to affect sim stats. The way I see it is you can have MLB pitchers with or without accurate repertoires. I want the accurate repertoires.

        Originally posted by keymax
        Which sliders are you guys using? I like the edits from a hitting perspective but I rarely get more than 4 or 5 K's a game now. (HOF + difficulty with command and control lowered by one tick)
        I am using custom sliders. But I am not posting anything about sliders until they are finalized which might not be for a while. I'd suggest experimenting with your sliders to get them how you like them. If you're not getting as many strikeouts as you would like there are several routes you could take with lowering cpu timing, lowering cpu contact, raising hum control, and/or moving to a lower difficulty when you pitch. There are also things to be aware of in your approach like mixing your pitches, not getting into patterns the cpu can recognize, and knowing the weaknesses of the batters (especially if you play with hot/cold zones on).
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        • knich
          MVP
          • Jan 2005
          • 1116

          #109
          Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

          Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
          I don't see why that would be the case. If you are worried about that you could always edit minor league pitchers to make them slightly worse. That's up to you. But, there is more to a pitcher than just the pitch edits and the pitch edits also don't appear to affect sim stats. The way I see it is you can have MLB pitchers with or without accurate repertoires. I want the accurate repertoires.
          Thanks. I was thinking more when playing v. CPU as opposed to a simmed game.

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          • rjackson
            MVP
            • Apr 2005
            • 1661

            #110
            Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

            Even I will confirm that getting a K isn't a problem with these now that I've gotten to play with them. The low control ratings are rough if you are using classic pitching, though. Even control guys are on the 50s with most of their offerings. I found everything was out of the zone or too deep in the zone from the get go, but if you got past inning one unharmed and raised pitcher confidence, it got a little better.
            Last edited by rjackson; 05-30-2015, 09:12 PM.

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            • Houston
              MVP
              • May 2003
              • 4729

              #111
              Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

              Originally posted by rjackson
              Even I will confirm that getting a K isn't a problem with these now that I've gotten to play with them. The low control ratings are rough if you are using classic pitching, though. Even control guys are on the 50s with most of their offerings. I found everything was out of the zone or too deep in the zone from the get go, but if you got past inning one unharmed and raised pitcher confidence, it got a little better.
              Most of this can be addressed with in game sliders. I normally use with classic pitching 3 for both but with pitch edits I would try between 4-6. Don't forget to raise the CPU to the same.

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              • WaitTilNextYear
                Go Cubs Go
                • Mar 2013
                • 16830

                #112
                Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

                I am more of a meter man when pitching, but feel free to post your results from any interface.
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                • CaseIH
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 3945

                  #113
                  Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

                  Originally posted by rjackson
                  Even I will confirm that getting a K isn't a problem with these now that I've gotten to play with them. The low control ratings are rough if you are using classic pitching, though. Even control guys are on the 50s with most of their offerings. I found everything was out of the zone or too deep in the zone from the get go, but if you got past inning one unharmed and raised pitcher confidence, it got a little better.




                  That's good to hear. I use analog for everything, so Im sure I will notice the lower control ratings, but I tend to pitch well, hitting is where I struggle, and that's just on me and not the game as some like to point to when they cant hit


                  Id say for anyone worried about the drastic changes with movement and control but want realism when it comes to each of the pitchers pitches, that all can be fixed by slider adjustments.


                  Ive always used pitch edits and seanjeezy's edits have always been drastic changes for movement and control and haven't ever had any problems with stats, so I can see these being much different since they actually look real close to what jeezy would do himself actually.
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                  • DarthRambo
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 6630

                    #114
                    Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

                    Hate asking but how are the rosters coming along from 55? Last I heard was ETA for Sunday evening...
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                    • 55
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 20857

                      #115
                      Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

                      Originally posted by IrishSalsa
                      Hate asking but how are the rosters coming along from 55? Last I heard was ETA for Sunday evening...
                      I'm still working on them. Not going to be tonight though. I worked three shifts at work between Friday and Saturday so I'm taking the night off and relaxing. They are two thirds of the way done though. They will be perfect though and not have the changeup glitch like the other pitch edit rosters do. I double-check EVERY player with a changeup just to be safe.

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                      • DarthRambo
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 6630

                        #116
                        Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

                        Originally posted by 55
                        I'm still working on them. Not going to be tonight though. I worked three shifts at work between Friday and Saturday so I'm taking the night off and relaxing. They are two thirds of the way done though. They will be perfect though and not have the changeup glitch like the other pitch edit rosters do. I double-check EVERY player with a changeup just to be safe.
                        No problem man! Take your time. I appreciate all your hard work you're putting into these! Gives me time to decide on a team to use
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                        • PatsCards87
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2015
                          • 109

                          #117
                          Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

                          WTNY, would you care if I incorporated some of this into the Roster Tools program? Full credits of course. I just think a 1-stop shop for the community would be much appreciated.

                          We can rename the program if you desire, I don't really care about any of that, just want to put minds together to create the ultimate tool.

                          PM me if you have questions/concerns. If you don't want it collab'd, then that's ok too.
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                          • RyanLaFalce
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 2337

                            #118
                            Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

                            Originally posted by PatsCards87
                            WTNY, would you care if I incorporated some of this into the Roster Tools program? Full credits of course. I just think a 1-stop shop for the community would be much appreciated.

                            We can rename the program if you desire, I don't really care about any of that, just want to put minds together to create the ultimate tool.

                            PM me if you have questions/concerns. If you don't want it collab'd, then that's ok too.
                            That would be awesome! Create a super file!

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                            • WaitTilNextYear
                              Go Cubs Go
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 16830

                              #119
                              Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

                              Originally posted by PatsCards87
                              WTNY, would you care if I incorporated some of this into the Roster Tools program? Full credits of course. I just think a 1-stop shop for the community would be much appreciated.

                              We can rename the program if you desire, I don't really care about any of that, just want to put minds together to create the ultimate tool.

                              PM me if you have questions/concerns. If you don't want it collab'd, then that's ok too.
                              I don't mind at all if you use the pitch edits data that I posted. The reason I posted it to begin with (rather than kept it to myself) was because I felt, despite some good work by others with the pitch edits from last year, the OSFM community was missing the pitch edits it normally has been accustomed to counting on each year.

                              However, I'd have to politely decline on a collaboration as I have my hands full working on my roster project right now and don't have any time to work on another project. In other words, if you can use the data I've already posted, then go for it, but I'm not going to be much help if it's more involved than that whether it's producing formulae or consulting etc..
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                              • DarthRambo
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 6630

                                #120
                                Re: WTNY's 2015 Pitch Edits ( Please read the FAQ )

                                What are the thoughts on what to do with pitchers drafted? Should I edit them as well when they are on the rosters the following season? I'd assume that in order to make it line up with these pitch edits it is needed. But how would we go about doing that? Just randomly select a pitcher on the spreadsheet to choose his repertoire...then lower movement and control pretty much across the board? And of course make sure the changeup vs fastball pitch speed's gap isn't too high.
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