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  • Reckless559
    Rookie
    • Feb 2016
    • 244

    #1171
    Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

    Id rather not have an ETA leave me in suspense is it today or tomm or later in the week so suspensefull

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    • Blues61
      Rookie
      • Mar 2012
      • 155

      #1172
      Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

      Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
      I am staunchly against anything that puts more burden on the shoulders of the main cogs working on the project. It makes no sense to me--to have the expectation that they should do extra on top of the days-worth of pro bono roster work they're already doing. Why can't it be expected that the people getting the free product should show more restraint? It's not a life and death matter after all; no one you (general you, not you you) know is in the hospital like you're waiting by the phone for an update. It's really not that dire! People should be grateful when the roster guys do pop in to share, but there shouldn't be an expectation that they should have to.
      Well said points. My response would be that I don't believe its an outstanding amount of extra work to post "Rosters, coming along. Mostly doing equipment, currently working through the NL. Should be out sometime next week". And your dead on about this not being a serious matter, its video games. Which is a point I'd also make to those who cry blasphemy to those who would like an ETA. They're rosters, not Hilary Clinton's emails. There doesn't have to be so much secrecy.

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      • WaitTilNextYear
        Go Cubs Go
        • Mar 2013
        • 16830

        #1173
        Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

        Originally posted by Blues61
        Ok sure. And an ETA of "21st century" would also then be correct. It's quite obviously implied that the ETA be a little more specific. And as far as it being "ba-loney" in what world does information provide less answers than ignorance? If there is an ETA, than people would have their question answered before asking. Sure, there would be some dummies who ask anyway but as I said, I believe those dummies to be the minority. The current state is such that there are no questions but conversations like this that take up just as much if not more thread space. My point is, and has been, tell us so we dont have to ask. And ignore the dummies who do anyway.
        As a general rule, we should probably table this discussion entirely so it doesn't escalate from pretty peaceful right now...but from where I'm typing, the main flaw in your argument, aside from proposing that the roster guys need to babysit us because we can't wait patiently, is that you presume they even know when the roster will be ready. That's most likely not the case until the very end of the finishing leg of edits. To give an ETA months/weeks/even days in advance is not always even possible, let alone desirable. And when the people issuing the ETA don't really know and yet they give one anyway, people get even more angry when it's inevitably missed as opposed to not knowing to begin with.
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        • Knight165
          *ll St*r
          • Feb 2003
          • 24964

          #1174
          Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

          Guys....we're not hiding anything or holding any info back to try and act high and mighty.

          Ridin' is buried in working on this......as well as Willard and the other editors getting the final players finished to import.

          It won't be weeks of waiting.....but it's hard to say if we are 60% or 70% done and what that means as far as how many days left.

          As soon as the status is more solid and we feel confident to say X amount left.....I promise you guys will know.

          The set looks great and you guys will be happy(relative)....I'm sure.

          Thanks for all your patience. I know it's a tough wait.
          We're crushing it the best we can.

          M.K.
          Knight165
          All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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          • Blues61
            Rookie
            • Mar 2012
            • 155

            #1175
            Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

            Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
            As a general rule, we should probably table this discussion entirely so it doesn't escalate from pretty peaceful right now...but from where I'm typing, the main flaw in your argument, aside from proposing that the roster guys need to babysit us because we can't wait patiently, is that you presume they even know when the roster will be ready. That's most likely not the case until the very end of the finishing leg of edits. To give an ETA months/weeks/even days in advance is not always even possible, let alone desirable. And when the people issuing the ETA don't really know and yet they give one anyway, people get even more angry when it's inevitably missed as opposed to not knowing to begin with.
            Ok, thats a different set of circumstances. If they don't know then fine, tell us you have no idea. The reason I've always been given for the no ETA rule is your last point, that it causes more anger than not knowing. Which I've already disagreed with by saying that I believe most people would be able to act rationally in that scenario.

            I'm fine with tabling the argument as well. Glad there could be some civil discussion about the ETA. And hey, it killed some time, which is all we're trying to do until the roster drops anyway

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            • dcmantommy72
              Rookie
              • Aug 2012
              • 97

              #1176
              Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

              So just like thousands of other people, every year im here on OS (which side note, this site is really cool, just all the ads.. Can be unbearable on a cell screen.. If I donate do they get removed? Thought I heard that along time ago..)
              Every year I'm here checking this one particular fourm out just about everyday awaiting the release of the osfm roster.
              Any true show fan, does not start his franchise up without it.. That's a fact of life.. It shows how much fans can and will improve games if given the tools to do so, and in no where else is that more evident than here.
              I don't need a set date or eta. I like the surprise of oh hell ya its out!! Let's go!
              With that said, I'm sure most of us would love to hear updates on how the process is going, mostly out of curiosity and admiration for the task your all doing. Not to say your not doing enough already, but we all love baseball and would love to hear more behind the scenes chatter about how this roster set is created..
              Everyone who contributes to this should get mad respect from all of us.

              Keep it up! We can't wait! Cheers!

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              • Reckless559
                Rookie
                • Feb 2016
                • 244

                #1177
                Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

                I am waiting for these to drop i have looked at other rosters they don't compare to OSFM so it will be worth the wait

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                • Blues61
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 155

                  #1178
                  Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

                  Originally posted by Knight165
                  Guys....we're not hiding anything or holding any info back to try and act high and mighty.

                  Ridin' is buried in working on this......as well as Willard and the other editors getting the final players finished to import.

                  It won't be weeks of waiting.....but it's hard to say if we are 60% or 70% done and what that means as far as how many days left.

                  As soon as the status is more solid and we feel confident to say X amount left.....I promise you guys will know.

                  The set looks great and you guys will be happy(relative)....I'm sure.

                  Thanks for all your patience. I know it's a tough wait.
                  We're crushing it the best we can.

                  M.K.
                  Knight165
                  This is quite literally all I ever wanted in terms of an update. Had a general update on what they are doing, where they're at and some context in that " it wont be weeks". This every couple days is perfect.

                  Thank you, Knight. I appreciate it.

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                  • Ghost Of The Year
                    T Bone
                    • Mar 2014
                    • 6394

                    #1179
                    Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

                    Originally posted by Blues61
                    Ok sure. And an ETA of "21st century" would also then be correct. It's quite obviously implied that the ETA be a little more specific.
                    The point is now that an ETA is given, human nature is: Can you update that ETA & be a little more specific.
                    Originally posted by Blues61
                    And as far as it being "ba-loney" in what world does information provide less answers than ignorance?
                    The world where more answers provides even more, unanswered questions.
                    Originally posted by Blues61
                    My point is, and has been, tell us so we dont have to ask.
                    But, we don't have to ask. We want to ask.
                    Alright, I'm wrapping up here, I have baseball games to play
                    Talk about things nobody cares.

                    Screw Discord. Make OS Great Again.

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                    • jasuffi
                      Just started!
                      • Apr 2016
                      • 4

                      #1180
                      Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

                      Originally posted by Knight165
                      Guys....we're not hiding anything or holding any info back to try and act high and mighty.

                      Ridin' is buried in working on this......as well as Willard and the other editors getting the final players finished to import.

                      It won't be weeks of waiting.....but it's hard to say if we are 60% or 70% done and what that means as far as how many days left.

                      As soon as the status is more solid and we feel confident to say X amount left.....I promise you guys will know.

                      The set looks great and you guys will be happy(relative)....I'm sure.

                      Thanks for all your patience. I know it's a tough wait.
                      We're crushing it the best we can.

                      M.K.
                      Knight165
                      Knight, first of all, awesome of you to take time away from your task at hand to appease some of us that are "im"patiently waiting. Some people don't know how to express their feelings without being a jackwad. I won't speak for them, but I know I'm excited and crazy with anticipation. Maybe I handle that better than some people. Anyway, that said...get your *** back to work, and stop bothering with us plebians. Totally kidding. Thank you guys so much...but seriously...back to work.

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                      • BennyXavier
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 68

                        #1181
                        Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

                        Originally posted by Knight165
                        Guys....we're not hiding anything or holding any info back to try and act high and mighty.

                        Ridin' is buried in working on this......as well as Willard and the other editors getting the final players finished to import.

                        It won't be weeks of waiting.....but it's hard to say if we are 60% or 70% done and what that means as far as how many days left.

                        As soon as the status is more solid and we feel confident to say X amount left.....I promise you guys will know.

                        The set looks great and you guys will be happy(relative)....I'm sure.

                        Thanks for all your patience. I know it's a tough wait.
                        We're crushing it the best we can.

                        M.K.
                        Knight165
                        But is it going to be ready by Opening Day? Thanks a ton for the update, man. Hugs and love.
                        Follow me on Twitter!
                        Is OSFM out yet?

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                        • WaitTilNextYear
                          Go Cubs Go
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 16830

                          #1182
                          Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

                          Originally posted by Blues61
                          Ok, thats a different set of circumstances. If they don't know then fine, tell us you have no idea. The reason I've always been given for the no ETA rule is your last point, that it causes more anger than not knowing. Which I've already disagreed with by saying that I believe most people would be able to act rationally in that scenario.

                          I'm fine with tabling the argument as well. Glad there could be some civil discussion about the ETA. And hey, it killed some time, which is all we're trying to do until the roster drops anyway
                          Yep, I have no issues with rational, civil discussion either.

                          But here's my last post for now on the subject....

                          From a roster-maker's POV (forgive me if I misrepresent anyone here) you're constantly stuck between a state of working your fingers off to try to get a set out as thoroughly as possible and wanting to enjoy the satisfaction of using it and especially the happiness it brings to others. But as for the ETA, you can sort of paint yourself in a corner if you suggest one; there's always that one more thing you want to do, but you also don't want to miss a deadline (and, although you want to think people behave rationally, many people do get very angry at missed ETA's) so something has to give.

                          In other words, giving an ETA before you are completely certain the project is done is a bad idea--think of it as jinxing a no-hitter; the moment you mention it, a file will get deleted or something.

                          And, yes, most roster people really don't know exactly how long it'll take. Just imagine you have 7 guys working together, but remotely, then throw in work schedules, family life, taking breaks, etc...it's really much more complicated to even try to predict than anyone realizes. To top it off, if you give a vague ETA (say, it'll be done in April) then you invite just as many clarifying questions, if not more. That's objective fact and I've seen it happen. If you say April, then the very next post will be "when in April?" And the post after that will be "so, exactly when?"
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                          • Blues61
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2012
                            • 155

                            #1183
                            Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

                            Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                            Yep, I have no issues with rational, civil discussion either.

                            But here's my last post for now on the subject....

                            From a roster-maker's POV (forgive me if I misrepresent anyone here) you're constantly stuck between a state of working your fingers off to try to get a set out as thoroughly as possible and wanting to enjoy the satisfaction of using it and especially the happiness it brings to others. But as for the ETA, you can sort of paint yourself in a corner if you suggest one; there's always that one more thing you want to do, but you also don't want to miss a deadline (and, although you want to think people behave rationally, many people do get very angry at missed ETA's) so something has to give.

                            In other words, giving an ETA before you are completely certain the project is done is a bad idea--think of it as jinxing a no-hitter; the moment you mention it, a file will get deleted or something.

                            And, yes, most roster people really don't know exactly how long it'll take. Just imagine you have 7 guys working together, but remotely, then throw in work schedules, family life, taking breaks, etc...it's really much more complicated to even try to predict than anyone realizes. To top it off, if you give a vague ETA (say, it'll be done in April) then you invite just as many clarifying questions, if not more. That's objective fact and I've seen it happen. If you say April, then the very next post will be "when in April?" And the post after that will be "so, exactly when?"
                            I get that. I'll readily admit I've never made a roster. But I can totally understand the creators being perfectionist's (probably have to be to want to do this type of thing) and how that could mess with an ETA. I've already addressed the vague ETA thing but what Knight posted earlier "it wont be weeks" is fine. Now I have somewhat of a timeframe. And as far as the majority of people being irrational about the missed ETA's, I guess I'll defer to your experience. I'm new to these internet streets, can't imagine the majority of people flipping out about it.

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                            • Speedy
                              #Ace
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 16143

                              #1184
                              Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

                              Originally posted by Surg2k
                              These pretzels are making me thirsty!!!
                              Do you want the pen? Take the pen! TAKE the pen!
                              Originally posted by Gibson88
                              Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
                              It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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                              • miamikb2001
                                Pro
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 795

                                #1185
                                Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2016 (No ETA as of 4/10, please don't ask for one)

                                Originally posted by Knight165
                                Guys....we're not hiding anything or holding any info back to try and act high and mighty.



                                Ridin' is buried in working on this......as well as Willard and the other editors getting the final players finished to import.



                                It won't be weeks of waiting.....but it's hard to say if we are 60% or 70% done and what that means as far as how many days left.



                                As soon as the status is more solid and we feel confident to say X amount left.....I promise you guys will know.



                                The set looks great and you guys will be happy(relative)....I'm sure.



                                Thanks for all your patience. I know it's a tough wait.

                                We're crushing it the best we can.



                                M.K.

                                Knight165


                                I for one appreciate all the work you and your guys do for the community I'm sure it won't be too long and they will be great like they always are when complete Thank you fellas
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