WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

[mbergh22]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

Will this be intergrated in the OSFM sliders when they come out?

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[GodOfNugget]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

Just wanted to say a huge thanks to you for making these! Can't even begin to imagine how time consuming it is to get all that data. Applied these pitch edits to the base roster for a few teams and have been knocking around some sliders in play now while waiting for OSFM to drop before starting a franchise. Definitely looking forward to implementing pitch edits this year, adds so much to make pitchers more like their real-life counterparts.

On that note - it's my understanding that OSFM will release a few versions before one with pitch edits? Do the people working on OSFM do that work or is it just random people in the community? I'm willing to take a chunk of teams and apply pitch edits to on the first release of OSFM if anyone else wants to help? I have some time off and wouldn't mind doing some data entry. If that's usually handled by the people making the OSFM then I guess this is in the wrong place.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

Just wanted to say a huge thanks to you for making these! Can't even begin to imagine how time consuming it is to get all that data. Applied these pitch edits to the base roster for a few teams and have been knocking around some sliders in play now while waiting for OSFM to drop before starting a franchise. Definitely looking forward to implementing pitch edits this year, adds so much to make pitchers more like their real-life counterparts.

On that note - it's my understanding that OSFM will release a few versions before one with pitch edits? Do the people working on OSFM do that work or is it just random people in the community? I'm willing to take a chunk of teams and apply pitch edits to on the first release of OSFM if anyone else wants to help? I have some time off and wouldn't mind doing some data entry. If that's usually handled by the people making the OSFM then I guess this is in the wrong place.

Usually the pitch edits go into OSFM v3. The second version is usually just correcting errors from OSFM v1.

Sometimes randoms input the pitch edits, sometimes it's people who helped with OSFM. If you want to start recruiting help, it might make sense to start your own thread to gauge interest. I don't input the edits into OSFM because I use the Hybrid roster instead.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

Decided to update Ross Stripling and Robert Stephenson after their MLB debuts. I also took the opportunity to get John Gant in there as was mentioned above. This is probably it for updates until more interesting rookie starters debut later on. The spreadsheet is up to date.

[ilstu24]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

You still adding new guys as they come up? (Sorry if this has been addressed already) Matthew Bowman for the Cardinals, the rule V pick from the Mets pitches two innings the other day.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

You still adding new guys as they come up? (Sorry if this has been addressed already) Matthew Bowman for the Cardinals, the rule V pick from the Mets pitches two innings the other day.

Not really adding everybody. I've just been putting in some guys (mainly heralded rookie starters) that interest me or guys that broke camp with the team on Opening Day. So far that amounts to Oh, Bowman, Gant, and updates to a few others.

I just put Bowman in there for you, although I don't want to give out the wrong idea that I'm gonna be taking requests all year long.

[ilstu24]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

thanks, sorry man. I get it. thanks for doing it though! appreciate it.

[Kevin82485]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

Regarding pitch speed, is the speed that you have listed on the spreadsheet the absolute fastest speed achievable in the game or is it padded a little bit for occasional higher speeds? Like if a guy has 95 listed on your spreadsheet, when using him in game, would it be possible for him to occasionally reach 96 or 97 MPH? I thought I recall this being the case at one time in previously years, but I can't remember.

Also, just a small thing I noticed because I happen to be watching the Brewers play and looking at your spreadsheet at the same time, Tyler Thornburg as been regularly reaching up to 95-96 MPH this season. He lost some speed last year, but rehabbed extensively in the off season and got his velocity back. I saw on the spreadsheet you have him at 92.85 MPH. Not a big deal if you don't want to change it, just wanted to mention it because he's one of my favorites on the team.

Thanks for your hard work!

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

Regarding pitch speed, is the speed that you have listed on the spreadsheet the absolute fastest speed achievable in the game? Like if a guy has 95 listed on your spreadsheet, when using him in game, would it be possible for him to occasionally reach 96 or 97 MPH? I thought I recall this being the case at one time in previously years, but I can't remember.

Also, just a small thing I noticed because I happen to be watching the Brewers play and looking at your spreadsheet at the same time, Tyler Thornburg as been regularly reaching up to 95-96 MPH this season. He lost some speed last year, but rehabbed extensively in the off season and got his velocity back. I saw on the spreadsheet you have him at 92.85 MPH. Not a big deal if you don't want to change it, just wanted to mention it because he's one of my favorites on the team.

Thanks for your hard work!

To answer your main Q...the pitch velocity given is the average pitch speed. In the game, pitchers can usually get 1-3 mph faster in the early innings depending on the pitch effort and stick skillz.

So to answer your second Q...if Thornburg's velo is ~93 mph, he will hit 95-96 on occasion in the game but not all the time. It's true that his velocity has increased this season (I just checked), but it's only 47 pitches so I'll probably leave it. You can change it on your end pretty easily though. Brooks Baseball has him sitting at 95.07 mph so far this year if you want to edit him.

[dnr720]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

Hey WTNY quick question when entering these edits for velocity do you raise velocity slider until there mph average is acheived or do you enter lets say the velocity listed is 92.87 enter 93 on the velocity slider for a given pitch? Hope i made sence with that question. Also incredible job gathering this info

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

Hey WTNY quick question when entering these edits for velocity do you raise velocity slider until there mph average is acheived or do you enter lets say the velocity listed is 92.87 enter 93 on the velocity slider for a given pitch? Hope i made sence with that question. Also incredible job gathering this info

Each "click" on the velocity bar is worth 0.2 mph. So to achieve 92.87 mph, I go to 92 mph on the velocity bar and click 4 times to the right: 92 + 4 x 0.2 = 92.80 mph. Sometimes, if I am feeling dangerous or in a mood, I will go all the way to 93 mph and then click back to the left once: 93 - 1 x 0.2 = 92.80 mph.

If you come across something right in the middle (92.90 mph is exactly in the middle of 92.80 and 93.00 mph) it's your choice and it might come down to whether you like that pitcher or not. I don't really apply hard core rounding rules (even/odd rule, lol) as it's just a game.


By the way, the "change up glitch" is still there. So for CAPs, you will see your movements on one pitch's velocity slider affect all the other ones. This means you have to do some tweaking to get them all to stick where you want them. Impossible to explain this any further so you'd just need to play around with it to see what I mean.

[dnr720]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

Each "click" on the velocity bar is worth 0.2 mph. So to achieve 92.87 mph, I go to 92 mph on the velocity bar and click 4 times to the right: 92 + 4 x 0.2 = 92.80 mph. Sometimes, if I am feeling dangerous or in a mood, I will go all the way to 93 mph and then click back to the left once: 93 - 1 x 0.2 = 92.80 mph.

If you come across something right in the middle (92.90 mph is exactly in the middle of 92.80 and 93.00 mph) it's your choice and it might come down to whether you like that pitcher or not. I don't really apply hard core rounding rules (even/odd rule, lol) as it's just a game.


By the way, the "change up glitch" is still there. So for CAPs, you will see your movements on one pitch's velocity slider affect all the other ones. This means you have to do some tweaking to get them all to stick where you want them. Impossible to explain this any further so you'd just need to play around with it to see what I mean.

Thanks for the explination

[Kevin82485]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

Each "click" on the velocity bar is worth 0.2 mph. So to achieve 92.87 mph, I go to 92 mph on the velocity bar and click 4 times to the right: 92 + 4 x 0.2 = 92.80 mph. Sometimes, if I am feeling dangerous or in a mood, I will go all the way to 93 mph and then click back to the left once: 93 - 1 x 0.2 = 92.80 mph.

I enjoyed the subtle humor in this.

[rick diesel]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

Each "click" on the velocity bar is worth 0.2 mph. So to achieve 92.87 mph, I go to 92 mph on the velocity bar and click 4 times to the right: 92 + 4 x 0.2 = 92.80 mph. Sometimes, if I am feeling dangerous or in a mood, I will go all the way to 93 mph and then click back to the left once: 93 - 1 x 0.2 = 92.80 mph.

In my brief time doing some pitch edits this year not all pitch types have had 0.2 mph intervals for velocity. For SCEA players some offspeed pitch types take like 8 clicks, rather than 5, to get from (for example) 85 mph to 86 mph. Anyone else experiencing this?

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: WTNY's 2016 Pitch Edits

In my brief time doing some pitch edits this year not all pitch types have had 0.2 mph intervals for velocity. For SCEA players some offspeed pitch types take like 8 clicks to get from (for example) 87 mph to 88 mph rather than 5. Anyone else experiencing this?

That could be although it's sort of odd for them to change it. I haven't entered in any edits since MLB '15 so you probably know better about '16. If so, then people just need to figure out how many clicks in 1 mph and adjust accordingly. If it's 8 clicks, then the math gets a little messier, but it's still doable.


EDIT: Looking at the click ratio for some pitch types...

Zach Britton
SNK - 6 or 7 clicks per 1 mph (bounced back and forth...odd)
SL - 5 or 6 clicks per 1 mph (again, not consistently 1 or the other)
4SM - 5 or 6 clicks per 1 mph (not consistent, but mostly 5 clicks)

Yovani Gallardo
2SM - 4 or 5 clicks per 1 mph (mostly 5, but some 4 click intervals embedded)
12-6 CV - 6 or 7 clicks per 1 mph (mostly 6 clicks, some 7 mixed in)

Chris Tillman
KCV - 7 or 8 clicks per 1 mph
CH - 5 or 6 clicks per 1 mph
CUT - 5 or 6 clicks per 1 mph

Brian Matusz
CB - 6 or 7 clicks per 1 mph

Kevin Gausman
SPL - 7 or 8 clicks per 1 mph

R.A. Dickey
KNUK - consistently 5 clicks per 1 mph

Ian Kennedy
Vulcan CH - 5 or 6 clicks per 1 mph



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