Full Minors 19 Redux

[Bushido]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

I think this will be a great roster! Only concern is that you will see a huge influx of 85+ overall players 5-10 years into a franchise or RTTS.

Interesting..

Have you done a 10 year sim to see how many of your B potential prospects actually end up becoming an 80+ overall? And A potential prospects end up becoming 90+ overall?

Personally, I'm very curious about this, because I've never gone that deep in a franchise before since I am always playing every game on the schedule.

I do however plan on going DEEP into franchise with this roster set, since I have no desire to buy next years copy.

[Funkycorm]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

Interesting..

Have you done a 10 year sim to see how many of your B potential prospects actually end up becoming an 80+ overall? And A potential prospects end up becoming 90+ overall?

Personally, I'm very curious about this, because I've never gone that deep in a franchise before since I am always playing every game on the schedule.

I do however plan on going DEEP into franchise with this roster set, since I have no desire to buy next years copy.

Amazing as FM is and the previous iterations of OSFM have been, this is one annoying thing that comes along as a side effect of most rosters. By the time you have simmed out 6-7 years, you see every team with at least 8-10 players over 80. You get your top teams that will have 4-5 guys over 90 and you have even bottom dwellers with 8 or so players over 80. Enough where, yes they are a bottom dweller in 2025-26, but would be a playoff team this year. I have done a lot of tinkering with the rosters the last few years and as I lower potentials, it does seem to help.

If you run the same simulation out another 10 years past that, to around 2036, you do slowly see the talent level even back out to where the rosters started. It is really quite interesting. But the problem here is that you start seeing 27 year old rookies if you don't do full edits of ages on the incoming draft picks.

To add to this as well, the inflated player overalls last about 12-15 years from the start of franchise.

All the roster makers on and off of here, put in a tremendous amount of work, but in my opinion to make a roster truly last the ages, the potentials of prospects need to be lowered some. Part of the problem is that even though progression happens at different rates for players based on performance, and what not, most players do progress at a reasonable enough rate to end up in close range to their potential. Especially when they start off at 19 years old and 55 overall with a potential of 90. Progressing at 4-5 attribute points a year consistently, then almost always end up in the mid 80's by the time they reach that point. Now obviously, the progression rates and draft pick editing is a the show thing that would need addressed. Yeah, there are also players that don't progress well, but it seems to be in the minority. Again, a the show thing and not a roster thing.

I appreciate you replying to this question. I have posed it elsewhere with no comment back. And it may be that a lot of people don't play the game the way I do. I rebuild a team for 5-7 years then want to play.

[BigOrangeVol4Life]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

Interesting..

Have you done a 10 year sim to see how many of your B potential prospects actually end up becoming an 80+ overall? And A potential prospects end up becoming 90+ overall?

Personally, I'm very curious about this, because I've never gone that deep in a franchise before since I am always playing every game on the schedule.

I do however plan on going DEEP into franchise with this roster set, since I have no desire to buy next years copy.

Bushido, it's greedy of me to ask with the blood, sweat, and tears you've been putting into this project, but do you see yourself creating another roster down the line for The Show '19 some time next year after the trades and other roster moves?

I really hope SDS develops a draft class that can be customized and downloaded from the vault. I think you'd be awesome at creating a solid one. If SDS was to add the feature, ideally, how many rounds do you think they should make it? Would you be satisfied with how they have the minor league organizations set up now or would you like to see an expansion that would include all of these teams that I've copied and pasted...

Aberdeen IronBirds
Akron Rubberducks
Albuquerque Isotopes
Altoona Curve
Amarillo Sod Poodles
Arkansas Travelers
Asheville Tourists
Auburn Doubledays
Augusta GreenJackets
Batavia Muckdogs
Beloit Snappers
Billings Mustangs
Biloxi Shuckers
Binghamton Rumble Ponies
Birmingham Barons
Bluefield Blue Jays
Boise Hawks
Bowie Baysox
Bowling Green Hot Rods
Bradenton Marauders
Bristol Pirates
Brooklyn Cyclones
Buffalo Bisons
Burlington Bees
Burlington Royals
Carolina Mudcats
Cedar Rapids Kernels
Charleston RiverDogs
Charlotte Knights
Charlotte Stone Crabs
Chattanooga Lookouts
Clearwater Threshers
Clinton LumberKings
Columbia Fireflies
Columbus Clippers
Connecticut Tigers
Corpus Christi Hooks
Danville Braves
Dayton Dragons
Daytona Tortugas
Delmarva Shorebirds
Down East Wood Ducks
Dunedin Blue Jays
Durham Bulls
El Paso Chihuahuas
Elizabethton Twins
Erie SeaWolves
Eugene Emeralds
Everett AquaSox
Fayetteville Woodpeckers
Florida Fire Frogs
Fort Myers Miracle
Fort Wayne TinCaps
Frederick Keys
Fresno Grizzlies
Frisco RoughRiders
Grand Junction Rockies
Great Falls Voyagers
Great Lakes Loons
Greeneville Reds
Greensboro Grasshoppers
Greenville Drive
Gwinnett Stripers
Hagerstown Suns
Harrisburg Senators
Hartford Yard Goats
Hickory Crawdads
Hillsboro Hops
Hudson Valley Renegades
Idaho Falls Chukars
Indianapolis Indians
Inland Empire 66ers
Iowa Cubs
Jackson Generals
Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp
Johnson City Cardinals
Jupiter Hammerheads
Kane County Cougars
Kannapolis Intimidators
Kingsport Mets
Lake County Captains
Lake Elsinore Storm
Lakeland Flying Tigers
Lakewood BlueClaws
Lancaster JetHawks
Lansing Lugnuts
Las Vegas Aviators
Lehigh Valley IronPigs
Lexington Legends
Louisville Bats
Lowell Spinners
Lynchburg Hillcats
Mahoning Valley Scrappers
Memphis Redbirds
Midland RockHounds
Mississippi Braves
Missoula Osprey
Mobile BayBears
Modesto Nuts
Montgomery Biscuits
Myrtle Beach Pelicans
Nashville Sounds
New Hampshire Fisher Cats
New Orleans Baby Cakes
Norfolk Tides
Northwest Arkansas Naturals
Ogden Raptors
Oklahoma City Dodgers
Omaha Storm Chasers
Orem Owlz
Palm Beach Cardinals
Pawtucket Red Sox
Pensacola Blue Wahoos
Peoria Chiefs
Portland Sea Dogs
Potomac Nationals
Princeton Rays
Pulaski Yankees
Quad Cities River Bandits
Rancho Cucamonga Quakes
Reading Fightin Phils
Reno Aces
Richmond Flying Squirrels
Rochester Red Wings
Rocky Mountain Vibes
Rome Braves
Round Rock Express
Sacramento River Cats
Salem Red Sox
Salem-Keizer Volcanoes
Salt Lake Bees
San Antonio Missions
San Jose Giants
Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders
South Bend Cubs
Spokane Indians
Springfield Cardinals
St. Lucie Mets
State College Spikes
Staten Island Yankees
Stockton Ports
Syracuse Mets
Tacoma Rainiers
Tampa Tarpons
Tennessee Smokies
Toledo Mud Hens
Trenton Thunder
Tri-City Dust Devils
Tri-City ValleyCats
Tulsa Drillers
Vancouver Canadians
Vermont Lake Monsters
Visalia Rawhide
West Michigan Whitecaps
West Virginia Black Bears
West Virginia Power
Williamsport Crosscutters
Wilmington Blue Rocks
Winston-Salem Dash
Wisconsin Timber Rattlers

[Bushido]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

Amazing as FM is and the previous iterations of OSFM have been, this is one annoying thing that comes along as a side effect of most rosters. By the time you have simmed out 6-7 years, you see every team with at least 8-10 players over 80. You get your top teams that will have 4-5 guys over 90 and you have even bottom dwellers with 8 or so players over 80. Enough where, yes they are a bottom dweller in 2025-26, but would be a playoff team this year. I have done a lot of tinkering with the rosters the last few years and as I lower potentials, it does seem to help.

If you run the same simulation out another 10 years past that, to around 2036, you do slowly see the talent level even back out to where the rosters started. It is really quite interesting. But the problem here is that you start seeing 27 year old rookies if you don't do full edits of ages on the incoming draft picks.

All the roster makers on and off of here, put in a tremendous amount of work, but in my opinion to make a roster truly last the ages, the potentials of prospects need to be lowered some. Part of the problem is that even though progression happens at different rates for players based on performance, and what not, most players do progress at a reasonable enough rate to end up in close range to their potential. Especially when they start off at 19 years old and 55 overall with a potential of 90. Progressing at 4-5 attribute points a year consistently, then almost always end up in the mid 80's by the time they reach that point. Now obviously, the progression rates and draft pick editing is a the show thing that would need addressed. Yeah, there are also players that don't progress well, but it seems to be in the minority. Again, a the show thing and not a roster thing.

I appreciate you replying to this question. I have posed it elsewhere with no comment back. And it may be that a lot of people don't play the game the way I do. I rebuild a team for 5-7 years then want to play.

It makes sense to water down the potentials across the board, to prevent teams from having 80's at every position in the lineup in the Pro's

The question then becomes HOW do you re-rank the potentials? I could do it based on personal opinion, and come up with a system to do so.

Just throwing a quick idea out

Top 25 prospects in Top 100 = A potential

Top 3-5 draft picks in the previous 3 drafts = A potential

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Top 26-75 in Top 100 = B potential - unless they fall under one of the three categories at the top.

6-20 in the draft = B potential

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76-100 in Top 100 = High C potential (78/79) - unless they fall under one of the the three categories at the top

21-30 in the draft = C potential

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Previous year draft picks will be re-evaluated (2016-2018) based on production, development, could go from C to B potential, and very rarely an A potential.

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International free agents will be ranked lower than draft picks, based on the development curve. But also could come with a higher potential based on the fact.

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All-Star caliber veterans retain A potential, High quality starters retain B potential, etc?

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Now I just need someone to do test sims in the next 48 hours to tell me how many of their players actually hit their potential number.

Like someone take control over one team, re-sign everyone, no free agents, etc. And track their potential overall # from Day 1 through 5-7 seasons. I want to know if the guy who is a 64 overall in AA ball with a 78 C potential actually ends up a 78 overall. Stuff like that. I would love multiple opinions/suggestions on this, if this is what the majority would like to see.

[Bushido]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

Bushido, it's greedy of me to ask with the blood, sweat, and tears you've been putting into this project, but do you see yourself creating another roster down the line for The Show '19 some time next year after the trades and other roster moves?

I really hope SDS develops a draft class that can be customized and downloaded from the vault. I think you'd be awesome at creating a solid one. If SDS was to add the feature, ideally, how many rounds do you think they should make it? Would you be satisfied with how they have the minor league organizations set up now or would you like to see an expansion that would include all of these teams that I've copied and pasted...

I believe Daonlyjo will update transitions once I'm done with the prospect/re-rates of our roster, so there should be a post-trade deadline roster. I know someone will do a 40-man roster once it's complete.

I would love to do customized draft classes, but that could become pretty tedious after a while with how deep the MLB draft is. Madden allows you to customize 224-250 prospects per draft class, so I image we could do a Top 300 with The Show if they implemented it.

As for the minor league system, as with anything, there's always room for improvement. But I think it's serviceable for now, and gets the job down. The thing is, if you add more to it, you have to take away from other options. I would imagine when the PS5 comes out, we will have deeper franchise experiences moving forward.

[Bushido]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

So I just did the Rays starting pitching staff. Couple highlights of overalls, and potential edits.

And lowered some potentials based on the discussion above, and would like feed back on these changes.

Blake Snell - 88 OVR - A potential (92)
Charlie Morton - 87 OVR - B potentail (86)
Yonny Chirinos - 84 OVR - B potential (85)
Tyler Glasnow - 81 OVR - B potential (87)
Ryan Yarbrough - 78 OVR - B potential (82)
Jake Faria - 74 OVR - C potential (79) - decreased from 86 B potential

Brendan McKay 70 OVR - A potential (92) - decreased from 95 to 92
Anthony Banda - 68 OVR - C potential (76)- decreased from 86 B potential
Jose De Leon - 68 OVR - C potential (77) - decreased from 88 B potential
Brent Honeywell Jr - 65 OVR - B potential (84) - decreased from 89 potential, didn't pitch in 2018, and was shut down for all of 2019 due to arm injury.

Banda is 25 years old, De Leon is 26, and both will turn 26 and 27 in August. Early in their careers, they were two of the Rays top pitching prospects. But neither have been able to become a mainstay on the 25-man pro club to date.

De Leon probably projects as a long relief pitcher at this point, same with Banda, though both are still getting starting innings in the minors.

Faria was also a high B potential pitcher, who will be 26 later this year. I bumped him down to a potential of 78/79 to give him a solid 3-5 rotation arm. Even though he's been used a lot in bull-pen use this year, with the Rays unorthodox pitching management in 2019.

However, the down fall of doing it this way, is that someone like Yonny Chirinos wouldn't become an 84 overall based on this system. He was the Rays No.23 overall prospect last year, which would have been a mid-high C potential prospect. He has pitched better than Cy Young winner Blake Snell this season, and is the Rays second most effective pitcher behind Charlie Morton.

I do agree that this method would balance out the leauge more accurately, and you can just trust my judgement on prospects like Chirinos who I probably would have given a B potential, based on production in AA/AAA.

Does this seem fair, and like a good idea to you guys? I might pause right here, and wait for people to chime in with their opinions. I don't want to go crazy with this, and then have more people unhappy versus happy. I think it's a good idea, because I don't forsee someone like Banda or De Leon becoming 80+ caliber players in baseball at this point in their career. It also prevents the roster from becoming over loaded, which is a good idea.

[CWood2]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

So I just did the Rays starting pitching staff. Couple highlights of overalls, and potential edits.

And lowered some potentials based on the discussion above, and would like feed back on these changes.

Blake Snell - 88 OVR - A potential (92)
Charlie Morton - 87 OVR - B potentail (86)
Yonny Chirinos - 84 OVR - B potential (85)
Tyler Glasnow - 81 OVR - B potential (87)
Ryan Yarbrough - 78 OVR - B potential (82)
Jake Faria - 74 OVR - C potential (79) - decreased from 86 B potential

Brendan McKay 70 OVR - A potential (92) - decreased from 95 to 92
Anthony Banda - 68 OVR - C potential (76)- decreased from 86 B potential
Jose De Leon - 68 OVR - C potential (77) - decreased from 88 B potential
Brent Honeywell Jr - 65 OVR - B potential (84) - decreased from 89 potential, didn't pitch in 2018, and was shut down for all of 2019 due to arm injury.

Banda is 25 years old, De Leon is 26, and both will turn 26 and 27 in August. Early in their careers, they were two of the Rays top pitching prospects. But neither have been able to become a mainstay on the 25-man pro club to date.

De Leon probably projects as a long relief pitcher at this point, same with Banda, though both are still getting starting innings in the minors.

Faria was also a high B potential pitcher, who will be 26 later this year. I bumped him down to a potential of 78/79 to give him a solid 3-5 rotation arm. Even though he's been used a lot in bull-pen use this year, with the Rays unorthodox pitching management in 2019.

However, the down fall of doing it this way, is that someone like Yonny Chirinos wouldn't become an 84 overall based on this system. He was the Rays No.23 overall prospect last year, which would have been a mid-high C potential prospect. He has pitched better than Cy Young winner Blake Snell this season, and is the Rays second most effective pitcher behind Charlie Morton.

I do agree that this method would balance out the leauge more accurately, and you can just trust my judgement on prospects like Chirinos who I probably would have given a B potential, based on production in AA/AAA.

Does this seem fair, and like a good idea to you guys? I might pause right here, and wait for people to chime in with their opinions. I don't want to go crazy with this, and then have more people unhappy versus happy. I think it's a good idea, because I don't forsee someone like Banda or De Leon becoming 80+ caliber players in baseball at this point in their career. It also prevents the roster from becoming over loaded, which is a good idea.

Love how dedicated you are to the process. Honeywell is an easy A last year, but you’re probably right ... his star is dimmer. Glasnow, on the other hand, he feels like an A given his age and what he’s shown at the big league level.

[Bushido]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

Love how dedicated you are to the process. Honeywell is an easy A last year, but you’re probably right ... his star is dimmer. Glasnow, on the other hand, he feels like an A given his age and what he’s shown at the big league level.

For sure on Honeywell, but two years without pitching, just can't warrant an Ace potential in my eyes.

I might bump Glasnow back up to an 89/90. Just a small sample size, wanted to see more before jumping on the bandwagon.

Thanks for replying, might go ahead and go all in with the potential re-rates.

[jahickory]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

I'm happy to do some test runs for you.

[Bushido]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

Only have the Toronto Blue Jays remaining to complete.

I'm going to go ahead and go through the roster one last time, and water down the potentials also. There were quite a few players on the Rays and Rangers who didn't warrant B potentials, that had them, and it looks much better/realistic with those players now being C potential players.

[Bushido]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

All the teams are finished.

I'm watering down potentials now, should be done tonight, or tomorrow morning.

This is exhausting, and please don't complain about potentials if your No.17 overall prospect went from an 88 potential to a 76. Just change him back, and do whatever makes you happy.

[BigOrangeVol4Life]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

All the teams are finished.

I'm watering down potentials now, should be done tonight, or tomorrow morning.

This is exhausting, and please don't complain about potentials if you're No.17 overall prospect went from an 88 potential to a 76. Just change him back, and do whatever makes you happy.

Thank you for the time you've put into this. I can't wait to try it out. I got my Sounds of the Show all put together last night for it.

[Wolves F C]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

I just hope that you'll enjoy these rosters, as much I know we all will....Realizing that between the formulas and the pre-aquired knowledge necessary, it kind of makes this a one man effort... the subjectivity of alot of the ratings are much appreciated, and for the most part taken as golden.... Thanx for your labour of love.

[Bushido]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

Okay, it's in the vault.

PSN - SCampbell904
Name - Full Minors 19 Redux

There will probably be a couple duplicates of lower tier prospects on the free agency rosters, but I just want to be done with it, so I can play the game finally.

I was able to create most of the 196 missing prospects from each clubs Top 30.

Added the Top 10 INTERNATIONAL free agent signings to their new clubs, might do 11-20 after the trade deadline passes.

Re-rated every minor and major league players based on 2019 production.

Decreased the number of B potential players on the roster, so that we're not swamped with every team having an abundance of 80+ overall players in a few seasons.

I THINK I was able to add every 2nd round pick from the 2019 draft. I can't find my notes to know for a 100% certainty, but the majority of them are on there.

Hope you enjoy. I have no idea where daonlyj is at, I checked his profile, and he hasn't posted in over a month. Hopefully he's okay. He was going to do the 40 man edit to this roster, but I don't have a clue if he's around.

[Husker170]

Re: Full Minors 19 Redux

Thanks for the hard work can’t wait to download it


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