Full Minors Roster with More Realistic Potentials

[blemons5]

Does anyone know of a version of either Ridin’s full minors roster or a similar roster that has potentials edited to be more realistic so that there’s not way too many 90+ and 80+ overalls a few years into a franchise? I love how in depth Ridin’s roster is, but I just can’t get past the really high potentials and I was hoping someone with more time on their hands than me had put together a version with more conservative/realistic potentials

[JoshC1977]

Re: Full Minors Roster with More Realistic Potentials

This is the one you want (I think very much the same way as you do regarding potentials):

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/mlb-show-rosters/985737-1000-hour-mlb-roster-2021-a.html

[lemarflacco]

Re: Full Minors Roster with More Realistic Potentials

Does anyone know of a version of either Ridin’s full minors roster or a similar roster that has potentials edited to be more realistic so that there’s not way too many 90+ and 80+ overalls a few years into a franchise? I love how in depth Ridin’s roster is, but I just can’t get past the really high potentials and I was hoping someone with more time on their hands than me had put together a version with more conservative/realistic potentials

So they lowered the potentials on the first release. They ran into an issue where 3-4 years down the road, all of the top prospects were taken over by the cpu generated players that were drafted because their potentials were so high. So to combat this they did EXTENSIVE TESTING and concluded that to prevent all the prospects from being washed out, they had to higher the potentials.

[ViatorLion10]

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So they lowered the potentials on the first release. They ran into an issue where 3-4 years down the road, all of the top prospects were taken over by the cpu generated players that were drafted because their potentials were so high. So to combat this they did EXTENSIVE TESTING and concluded that to prevent all the prospects from being washed out, they had to higher the potentials.

Yea I don't really buy this. I've played with lower potential rosters in past years and gone 4-5 years into the future. The rosters typically hold up pretty well IMO.

[lemarflacco]

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This is a different year, there is nothing for you to "buy" lol. And Ridin and crew surmised the same thing you did, and they lowered all the prospect ratings league wide. They changed it back in there second release a month later because of the effects it had on franchise. Why do you think they changed them back?

[ViatorLion10]

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This is a different year, there is nothing for you to "buy" lol. And Ridin and crew surmised the same thing you did, and they lowered all the prospect ratings league wide. They changed it back in there second release a month later because of the effects it had on franchise. Why do you think they changed them back?

Probably because people complained about prospects being too low and they wanted the rosters to look better. I don't believe that Ridin' cares enough about the efficacy of his roster in Franchise, otherwise there wouldn't be so many egregious errors throughout the roster set.

[lemarflacco]

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Probably because people complained about prospects being too low and they wanted the rosters to look better. I don't believe that Ridin' cares enough about the efficacy of his roster in Franchise, otherwise there wouldn't be so many egregious errors throughout the roster set.

Huh, you are obviously uninformed. The last thing Ridin is doing is changing the roster because people complain. He would be more likely to block you for complaining then to change his roster around. And what egregious errors are there , I will wait....

[lemarflacco]

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So I don't know anything about the latest version of the FM roster with reduced potentials. I am glad it is something they decided to at least acknowledge and address after years of inflating them way too high. I put down 21 a few weeks ago because I am done with it for the time being so I have yet to run any simulations on it.

Historically these roster has been overrated and the potentials have been way too high. I am sure the potentials in the new roster have been muted but are likely still on the high side. Again can't confirm this but assuming based on history.

To the point with draft classes, what people fail to realize is that to keep a balanced franchise long term, you have to adopt draft class editing at the end of the season. I have been since MLB18 and cycloniac released his draft pick editing tool last year for 20 and again this year. Keeping those draft classes in check is vital for the long term health of a franchise.

I do not think that the FM roster is a bad roster. Any version. Clearly a lot of work is put it. But I do think it is more of just a base only versus a fully ready product for those that want a long term franchise.

In the end the player base needs to accept what the average player rating is and what is considered all star caliber and perennial mvp caliber. Until that happens, potentials on FM will always be too high.

The other issues with rosters like this is that everyone expects their teams 23rd prospect to be A potential when in real life that player will likely never pan out to be more than an average player which is just fine. The league is full of players that and that is great.

Against my better judgement I decided to respond here after I told myself I would stay out of this sub forum. I will likely change my mind in 5 minutes and delete this but maybe not.

I stand by my roster theroies even though most don't embrace them or think I am crazy and trash talk me on PSN because they can't see beyond tunnel vision of what rosters are instead of what they should be.

I agree but you're implying that the people complaining about editing some of Ridins high potentials are going to edit a full draft class. Personally I would rather current prospects, I know , be overrated and have them flood the league 5 years down the line than unknown cpu generated prospects.

And I once again in 21, they said they tested it and that too many of the prospects with lower rated potentials were never panning out. I think they mentioned like not one pitcher actually turned into an ace out of the top 100.

And looking at overalls is bad practice because the overall rating system and the way the game measures it is bad in itself.

[ViatorLion10]

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Huh, you are obviously uninformed. The last thing Ridin is doing is changing the roster because people complain. He would be more likely to block you for complaining then to change his roster around. And what egregious errors are there , I will wait....

If you really want to do this lol. Here's examples from just the Chicago Cubs (a system of which I am VERY well versed in):


-Justin Steele is listed as a SP, he is a full-time RP at this point. He also throws a slider as one of his main pitches, yet there's no slider.

-Adbert Alzolay is a 71 OVR despite being one of the Cubs best pitchers this season
-Kohl Stewart is an "A" potential...... an A potential (come on)
-Trevor Megill and Dakota Mekkes are listed as a SP despite never having started a single game in their professional careers
-Riley Thompson is listed as an "A" potential (he's not even ranked in the top 15 of players in the system)
-Of all the players to choose from the system, they chose Ben Holmes to include on the roster (a 29yo journeyman pitcher who just this year landed in the Cubs system). This one may be a little nitpicky, but of all the players you could choose, he's probably the bottom of the list
-I'm encouraged to see he finally removed Duncan Robinson (who freaking retired) from the Cubs in V2, but he was included in V1
-Chris Clarke is listed as a RP but has started almost every game of his professional career
-Keegan Thompson is listed as a RP despite starting every game of his minor league career
-His name is not "Dauris" Valdez..... its "Darius". Come tf on
-DJ Herz is listed as a RP but has started every game of his professional career
-Kohl Franklin is a 65 overall but has yet to pitch above low A. There is also no mention in any scouting report anywhere that he throws any kind of cutter (yet he has one)
-Jack Patterson's absolute best pitch is a sinker, yet he does not even have one listed under his pitches

-Tommy Nance is currently in the majors with a 0.75 ERA but is a 55 overall w/ D potential
-Of all players to pick again, they chose James Bourque (who hasn't even pitched this season) and Jerrick Suiter (a guy who is a former position player and has 1.2IP in his whole career) as filler players
-Manuel Rodriguez is on the 40-man roster but only has a potential of 55
-Tyler Payne is a C, not a 1B
-Andy Weber is a SS, not a 3B (even 2B would have been acceptable; he only has 18 professional innings at 3B)
-I'm a big Miguel Amaya fan, but even with elevated potentials, a 93 is a bit absurd for him
-Ethan Hearn's K% at low A is over 50% and his wRC+ is 29. He's still rated as a 63 overall with a vision in the 50s. His best tool is also his premier arm strength, but that attribute lags behind everything else in comparison.
-Christopher Morel has a 55 grade for power. His power attributes are in the high 20s
-Aramis Ademan hasn't been a "B" potential for about 3-4 years
-Christian Hernandez is 17yo and hasn't even played in the DSL yet. He's still a 64 overall. He's also a lower potential than Miguel Amaya despite being rated miles ahead of him when they were both international signees
-Ed Howard is playing his first year of professional ball and he's 19. He's still rated a 64 overall
-Reginald Preciado has yet to play a professional inning at age 18. He's still rated a 63 overall
-Cole Roederer's worst tool is his arm. Its rated his best in the game
-Jordan Nwogu is a consensus LF because of his fielding deficiencies. He's listed as a RF.
-Top prospects with incorrect ages (that are editable): Ed Howard, Christopher Morel, Ryan Jensen, Cory Abbott, and Riley Thompson. There are more that aren't listed as top prospects, but I'm not digging into every player on the Cubs roster.


This is just the Chicago Cubs and without even getting into a little more nitpicky with overalls and potentials (which albeit are up for interpretation and that is totally fair and fine). Not having perfection when you're editing all 30 teams is understandable, but for the love of God, at least have some attention to detail.

[Funkycorm]

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I agree but you're implying that the people complaining about editing some of Ridins high potentials are going to edit a full draft class. Personally I would rather current prospects, I know , be overrated and have them flood the league 5 years down the line than unknown cpu generated prospects.

And I once again in 21, they said they tested it and that too many of the prospects with lower rated potentials were never panning out. I think they mentioned like not one pitcher actually turned into an ace out of the top 100.

And looking at overalls is bad practice because the overall rating system and the way the game measures it is bad in itself.

Yeah I don't have the newest roster so that's why I had mentioned that I hadn't. I am assuming. Maybe I shouldn't. My bad. I am just happy to see them acknowledge it as I have been saying it for 3 years now myself.

And yes overalls are a horrible guage. But looking at the bigger community that uses rosters, that is what they care about and look at only.

And I get where you are coming from on the real versus fake prospects. I commented in the new post the other guy made about edits. Draft classes need to be edited to match the roster you are using. If you have 20 A potential prospects in the roster you are using, no more than a third of your new class should be A potential picks so the CPU will use those older more ready (in this case, real) prospects.

And I know that most won't edit draft classes. That idea hasn't been fully embraced yet by the community as a whole.

[blemons5]

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Yeah I don't have the newest roster so that's why I had mentioned that I hadn't. I am assuming. Maybe I shouldn't. My bad. I am just happy to see them acknowledge it as I have been saying it for 3 years now myself.

And yes overalls are a horrible guage. But looking at the bigger community that uses rosters, that is what they care about and look at only.

And I get where you are coming from on the real versus fake prospects. I commented in the new post the other guy made about edits. Draft classes need to be edited to match the roster you are using. If you have 20 A potential prospects in the roster you are using, no more than a third of your new class should be A potential picks so the CPU will use those older more ready (in this case, real) prospects.

And I know that most won't edit draft classes. That idea hasn't been fully embraced yet by the community as a whole.

How much work is it to edit draft classes? Like would I be better off to just deal with the higher than realistic potentials and not have to edit draft classes? I’m a big Braves fan and very familiar with their system and a lot of the potentials just don’t really make any sense in that there’s a lot of guys who are overrated or non-prospects with higher potentials than real prospects. If nothing else, it would at least be nice if the correct guys were the ones with higher potentials as opposed to AAAA filler type guys

[ViatorLion10]

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How much work is it to edit draft classes? Like would I be better off to just deal with the higher than realistic potentials and not have to edit draft classes? I’m a big Braves fan and very familiar with their system and a lot of the potentials just don’t really make any sense in that there’s a lot of guys who are overrated or non-prospects with higher potentials than real prospects. If nothing else, it would at least be nice if the correct guys were the ones with higher potentials as opposed to AAAA filler type guys

I think you can probably get away without editing the draft classes, but if you felt inclined, I just started a thread with an expedited editing guide here:

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/mlb-show-rosters/986294-simplified-version-editing-drafted-prospects-franchise.html

I think you could probably do an entire class in 30 min or less on average.

[Funkycorm]

Re: Full Minors Roster with More Realistic Potentials

How much work is it to edit draft classes? Like would I be better off to just deal with the higher than realistic potentials and not have to edit draft classes? I’m a big Braves fan and very familiar with their system and a lot of the potentials just don’t really make any sense in that there’s a lot of guys who are overrated or non-prospects with higher potentials than real prospects. If nothing else, it would at least be nice if the correct guys were the ones with higher potentials as opposed to AAAA filler type guys

Truth be told, at most an hour. Maybe 2. Depends if you screenshot, take pictures of, write down, or just scroll the roster the first day of the off-season. If you play all 162 plus playoffs it is a very small amount of time in the long run.

I am old school and write down on paper so I can pre do all my edits or pics on my cell phone sometimes so I can see full teams data all at once. This makes it easier when limiting potential numbers to a small number.

If you are interested, send me a PM and I will send you my simplified table on what I do.

It really isn't much work if you play all 162 or even play 81 or 54.

[blemons5]

Re: Full Minors Roster with More Realistic Potentials

Truth be told, at most an hour. Maybe 2. Depends if you screenshot, take pictures of, write down, or just scroll the roster the first day of the off-season. If you play all 162 plus playoffs it is a very small amount of time in the long run.

I am old school and write down on paper so I can pre do all my edits or pics on my cell phone sometimes so I can see full teams data all at once. This makes it easier when limiting potential numbers to a small number.

If you are interested, send me a PM and I will send you my simplified table on what I do.

It really isn't much work if you play all 162 or even play 81 or 54.

Ok that doesn’t sound bad at all. How many players do you typically have to re-rate? And which roster do you use for your franchise?

[Funkycorm]

Re: Full Minors Roster with More Realistic Potentials

Ok that doesn’t sound bad at all. How many players do you typically have to re-rate? And which roster do you use for your franchise?

Usually it is just potential edits for a lot, ages for a lot, and some overall increases. Nothing too major.

I have 2 franchises on 21 and to be honest haven't played in a few weeks. But that is not because of the roster. The gameplay is giving me personal fits right now.

One is in 2031 (simmed here doing edits and everything yearly) and playing 2031 because it matches 2021 schedule. The second is in 2026 (again simulating to 2031 to play eventually).

For the first, I used my roster with deflated potentials that was based off the first roster update on game release. The second is my edited potential roster based off of the first FM update. My PSN is Doctordoof36 if you are interested in the second based off of FM.

I spent a lot of time muting potentials and did some through testing on how it looks multiple years in. Pairing this with my edits creates a create looking and healthy franchise.

Best part about my roster based on FM, I only adjusted potentials and nothing else so it will play exactly like the FM roster does. Looking at it, it may seem a bit too deflated but you have to embrace the average overall player rating of 74-76 to appreciate it. My edits work great with it and have been designed over, now 4 iterations, to mesh well with the FM ridin rosters.