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  • SmashMan
    All Star
    • Dec 2004
    • 9743

    #526
    Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

    Originally posted by herns51
    Agreed. Not a good long banning great content creators. This is the best MLB roster around so far.
    Nah, it's a fine look. Guy has a good roster and instead of continuing to post updates, interact with people, and answer questions about it here in his thread as he had been doing for a month, he thought it was better to go into the Full Minors thread as it was nearing release and keep posting about his roster being better.

    Could've just let his work speak for itself, but I guess he didn't think that was a good plan.

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    • atc81
      Rookie
      • Oct 2013
      • 8

      #527
      Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

      Originally posted by kehlis
      We have no reason to shut down your thread, it’s just unfortunate for you.
      What does even mean? Wow.

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      • herns51
        Rookie
        • Jan 2022
        • 58

        #528
        Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

        Originally posted by SmashMan
        Nah, it's a fine look. Guy has a good roster and instead of continuing to post updates, interact with people, and answer questions about it here in his thread as he had been doing for a month, he thought it was better to go into the Full Minors thread as it was nearing release and keep posting about his roster being better.

        Could've just let his work speak for itself, but I guess he didn't think that was a good plan.
        He mentioned he didn't even get a warning. Do you think an outright ban makes sense?

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        • SmashMan
          All Star
          • Dec 2004
          • 9743

          #529
          Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

          Originally posted by herns51
          He mentioned he didn't even get a warning. Do you think an outright ban makes sense?
          Then he was either lying or can't read. Before he was banned he was asked by mods more than once to not promote himself in others' threads. Doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks beyond that.

          He actually spelled it out in the second sentence of the thread - "I am excited to throw my hat in the ring for consideration as the top roster set available for franchise players."

          Not a bad mission statement by itself, but it puts his later posts in context. In the end he let his envy of the Full Minors roster being considered the top roster get the better of his posts. Oh well.

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          • AUTiger1
            MVP
            • Oct 2008
            • 2413

            #530
            Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

            Originally posted by herns51
            He mentioned he didn't even get a warning. Do you think an outright ban makes sense?

            He was told publicly more than once in the aforementioned thread to stop pushing his roster in that thread. That's all the warning that was needed.
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            • kehlis
              Moderator
              • Jul 2008
              • 27738

              #531
              Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

              Originally posted by atc81
              What does even mean? Wow.
              It means we have no reason to close his thread, we don't just arbitrarily close threads. Just unfortunate for him that he chose to ignore warnings. Sorry if it was unclear.

              Originally posted by herns51
              He mentioned he didn't even get a warning. Do you think an outright ban makes sense?
              He did - they were public. You can see them yourself if you go through the other thread. There is no malice here.


              Sucks, I know. It's a good roster. We don't and have never altered the rules though for anyone just because they created a good roster.

              Also - the discord to discuss with him is in the first post if anyone wants to join. It's public and there is great stuff in there.
              Last edited by kehlis; 05-10-2022, 09:24 PM.

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              • Gocanes44
                Pro
                • Nov 2004
                • 555

                #532
                Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

                This place is way too sensitive. If I make a roster set and someone thinks his is better let him say it. Allow the customers to make the decision. Instead OS makes an entire new thread when a certain roster drops and promotes it.

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                • CUJays14
                  Banned
                  • May 2022
                  • 7

                  #533
                  Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

                  Originally posted by kehlis
                  It means we have no reason to close his thread, we don't just arbitrarily close threads. Just unfortunate for him that he chose to ignore warnings. Sorry if it was unclear.



                  He did - they were public. You can see them yourself if you go through the other thread. There is no malice here.


                  Sucks, I know. It's a good roster. We don't and have never altered the rules though for anyone just because they created a good roster.

                  Also - the discord to discuss with him is in the first post if anyone wants to join. It's public and there is great stuff in there.

                  So at the risk of getting banned again, I needed to come here to defend myself because I feel like I am being unfairly accused and seemingly dragged by a couple of users. I went all the way back to page 60 to see if I had maybe posted advertisements without recalling. This is the sequence of events:

                  · My first and only advertisement for my roster on the full minors thread (page 78): (in response to a concern that certain face scan top 30 prospects were removed from the base roster) “Just putting this out there, but my roster has every top 30 prospect in there with more accurate ratings and potentials”
                  · Response 1: “Start your own thread if you want to discuss it.”
                  · My response: “I did. Over a month ago. Then released the roster. Over a week ago. I didn’t wast y’all’s time waiting”
                  · Response 2: “And plenty of people have downloaded it (me included). Why bring it up in this thread?”
                  · My response: “Because people are still waiting for Ridin’ to drop. Wanted to offer an alternative to waiting. Also some of the guys they are mentioning in this thread may not be included in Ridin’s final cuts”
                  · ShowTyme then posts a list of clarifications (page 80), one of which is a point about how long it would take for a completely re-rated roster to be put out. He says “Always appreciate the support and feedback”
                  · I respond with feedback, NOT advertisement (page 81): “I disagree with number 6. I got a roster with 2700+ player rating edits out before the end of April and I was pretty much the only person making those ratings edits in game. A full team could make those edits in a months time IMO”

                  I am immediately banned. That was the sequence of events. So when you say “oh you were warned”, my response to you is “where”? When you say I relentlessy advertised my roster, I ask you “where”?

                  I tried to look at other threads to see if I did anything there, but as far as I can tell there is no evidence there as well. Unless I am missing something that I may have posted and there was warnings there, this has been the entire sequence of events that led to my ban. And now I can’t even get my original account back, nor have a new account to completely stay in my own lane and monitor my own threads (of which I have popular posts on multiple forums across the website.)

                  Please, and I am actually being serious and not sarcastic, let me know if you have any evidence that contradicts what I have said here. Maybe I really did just miss something, but from what I can see on review, I don’t see what you are seeing.

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                  Originally posted by SmashMan
                  Then he was either lying or can't read. Before he was banned he was asked by mods more than once to not promote himself in others' threads. Doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks beyond that.

                  He actually spelled it out in the second sentence of the thread - "I am excited to throw my hat in the ring for consideration as the top roster set available for franchise players."

                  Not a bad mission statement by itself, but it puts his later posts in context. In the end he let his envy of the Full Minors roster being considered the top roster get the better of his posts. Oh well.

                  As far as my “envy” for the Full Minors roster, you couldn’t be further from the truth. Its more frustration. Frustration that people on OS have accepted that Ridin’s rosters are beyond reproach and are above criticism/feedback. If you like their roster over all others, that is your decision. But no roster creator is above criticism. For years I tried to give feedback and was met w/ “well make your own roster then”. Well I did. Then apparently my feedback still isn’t warranted.

                  As I have stated on MULTIPLE occasions, I welcome any and all constructive feedback on my work. I want to know how to I can best improve what I do to benefit the community that chooses my roster. I owe that to them for supporting me. My wish is that all creators would be like that, ESPECIALLY those with massive followings like Ridin’. But I get banned and then trashed with no way of defending myself for saying so.

                  I do hope that maybe this account won’t get banned as well because I literally just want to monitor my own threads. I apparently also have to defend myself against constant accusations that aren’t true while my work gets trashed by others, which I do not appreciate.

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                  • SmashMan
                    All Star
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 9743

                    #534
                    Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

                    Originally posted by CUJays14
                    As far as my “envy” for the Full Minors roster, you couldn’t be further from the truth. Its more frustration.
                    I didn't say envy of the roster itself, I said envy that it's considered the top roster. And I think the rest of your post confirms that. It is what it is.

                    Have a good day, man.

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                    • CUJays14
                      Banned
                      • May 2022
                      • 7

                      #535
                      Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

                      Originally posted by SmashMan
                      I didn't say envy of the roster itself, I said envy that it's considered the top roster. And I think the rest of your post confirms that. It is what it is.

                      Have a good day, man.

                      If that is your interpretation of what I said, then so be it. But it is not what I said

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                      • deamon93
                        Rookie
                        • Mar 2020
                        • 82

                        #536
                        Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

                        Originally posted by CUJays14

                        · My first and only advertisement for my roster on the full minors thread (page 78): (in response to a concern that certain face scan top 30 prospects were removed from the base roster) “Just putting this out there, but my roster has every top 30 prospect in there with more accurate ratings and potentials”
                        · Response 1: “Start your own thread if you want to discuss it.”
                        · My response: “I did. Over a month ago. Then released the roster. Over a week ago. I didn’t wast y’all’s time waiting”
                        · Response 2: “And plenty of people have downloaded it (me included). Why bring it up in this thread?”
                        · My response: “Because people are still waiting for Ridin’ to drop. Wanted to offer an alternative to waiting. Also some of the guys they are mentioning in this thread may not be included in Ridin’s final cuts”
                        · ShowTyme then posts a list of clarifications (page 80), one of which is a point about how long it would take for a completely re-rated roster to be put out. He says “Always appreciate the support and feedback”
                        · I respond with feedback, NOT advertisement (page 81): “I disagree with number 6. I got a roster with 2700+ player rating edits out before the end of April and I was pretty much the only person making those ratings edits in game. A full team could make those edits in a months time IMO”
                        i'm following the whole conversation about the "comparison" between the two rosters from the start, and as someone, who is normally only viewing and not answering threads, i kinda can see why you got banned for advertising, or at least why it was considered as advertisement. Around that time when you wrote those comments, it was like you mentioned preetty often you're working on a roster by yourself and that it's great, and when you wrote that you rerated the whole ratings in a month i remember thinking "why bring it up?" especially if they already told you to talk about your roster in your own thread
                        At least it felt like you mentioned it very often and in many threads.

                        i think there's a difference between criticism and feedback/constructive criticism, however you may call it.
                        IMO this wasn't feedback, definitely not constructive; basically just you saying " i got my roster out better and faster than you guys"

                        idk if this was enough to get banned, but i can definitely see why

                        just wanted to share my view on this whole topic

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                        • CUJays14
                          Banned
                          • May 2022
                          • 7

                          #537
                          Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

                          Originally posted by deamon93
                          i'm following the whole conversation about the "comparison" between the two rosters from the start, and as someone, who is normally only viewing and not answering threads, i kinda can see why you got banned for advertising, or at least why it was considered as advertisement. Around that time when you wrote those comments, it was like you mentioned preetty often you're working on a roster by yourself and that it's great, and when you wrote that you rerated the whole ratings in a month i remember thinking "why bring it up?" especially if they already told you to talk about your roster in your own thread
                          At least it felt like you mentioned it very often and in many threads.

                          i think there's a difference between criticism and feedback/constructive criticism, however you may call it.
                          IMO this wasn't feedback, definitely not constructive; basically just you saying " i got my roster out better and faster than you guys"

                          idk if this was enough to get banned, but i can definitely see why

                          just wanted to share my view on this whole topic

                          And you know what, I can understand how that response may have been perceived as "advertising", however, that was not my intent. My point was that I am only one person and I am able to edit 2700+ players in less than a month. An entire team should be able to do that in less time. That was my only point.


                          This is kind of my point about why the ban was unreasonable. That was a very gray area situation. I definitely did not say "my roster was better than yours" in that comment


                          I also did not continually mention my roster in that specific thread. As far as I can tell, my entire mentioning of my roster in that thread is restricted to what I mentioned in my post.


                          As far as mentioning it continually in other threads, I did mention it a lot in thread specifically asking about what rosters are available. I went and double checked all of the larger threads on rosters (TrueSim, Willard's Hybrid, and RBU's release thread), I never posted a single mention of my roster on those threads


                          I appreciate your response and what you think. I just don't see these "constant advertisements" and/or "constant warnings" that I was told was the justification for my ban

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                          • Cozar
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 90

                            #538
                            Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

                            I'm curious if there is a problem multiple seasons in as new players are created without the rating adjustments?

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                            • SmashMan
                              All Star
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 9743

                              #539
                              Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

                              Originally posted by Cozar
                              I'm curious if there is a problem multiple seasons in as new players are created without the rating adjustments?
                              He actually has a link to how he re-rates incoming rookies in the first post under "New Draft Pick Editing in Franchise", but here's the direct link.

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                              • Cozar
                                Rookie
                                • Mar 2010
                                • 90

                                #540
                                Re: Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster Project (Official Thread)

                                Originally posted by SmashMan
                                He actually has a link to how he re-rates incoming rookies in the first post under "New Draft Pick Editing in Franchise", but here's the direct link.

                                I actually just saw that and was coming back to edit my post. You were too fast for me, but thank you.

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