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[BrewCrew16]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

Eduardo Rodriguez has stamina rating at 87. He was yellow at 80 pitches. They took him out with 2 outs in the 6th with a runner on 1st in a 5-1 game.

93 pitches
5.2 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 BB 4 K

That was hook at 1 and stamina at 6.

Hmm. I'll know for sure in the AM. I jacked the stamina's up to 8 and have hook at 1. Otherwise I'll have to change the ratings, as has been mentioned above. Sigh.

[bryanm1982]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

Hmm. I'll know for sure in the AM. I jacked the stamina's up to 8 and have hook at 1. Otherwise I'll have to change the ratings, as has been mentioned above. Sigh.

I’m using Fidelity Rosters but I raise their stamina by 10 for pitchers I fave and then lower them after the game.

I would have liked them to keep him to try for 6 IP and get the QS. And to save the bullpen but at least he got to 93 pitches.

[BrewCrew16]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

Yeah the slider is broken for the CPU so I'll have to go that route. Don't know why this hasn't been fixed yet.

[MiracleMet718]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

Eduardo Rodriguez has stamina rating at 87. He was yellow at 80 pitches. They took him out with 2 outs in the 6th with a runner on 1st in a 5-1 game.

93 pitches
5.2 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 BB 4 K

That was hook at 1 and stamina at 6.

Being in the yellow doesn’t mean he’s extremely tired. It just means that he has about 20-25% left. If his confidence is high and he’s continues pitching well, it lasts pretty long.

Also if you look at Eduardo Rodriguez’s stats, he’s only reached 100 pitches in 2/10 starts last year and 6/26 starts in 2023. He usually averages around 93 pitches per start, and depending on if he had runners on base in your scenario, he would probably be pulled at that point.

I’ve found that unless a pitcher is really struggling, the default sliders are usually pretty good with when to pull them. The only time they aren’t are when maybe a team may need to keep a struggling starter out there to eat innings since their bullpen is tired as that is a unique scenario. They manage every game as if they have a full set of arms in the pen when in reality they might need that starter to go to at least 85+ just to save stamina for the bullpen guys that are tied.

[PRiMETiME559_ps4]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

Being in the yellow doesn’t mean he’s extremely tired. It just means that he has about 20-25% left. If his confidence is high and he’s continues pitching well, it lasts pretty long.

Also if you look at Eduardo Rodriguez’s stats, he’s only reached 100 pitches in 2/10 starts last year and 6/26 starts in 2023. He usually averages around 93 pitches per start, and depending on if he had runners on base in your scenario, he would probably be pulled at that point.

I’ve found that unless a pitcher is really struggling, the default sliders are usually pretty good with when to pull them. The only time they aren’t are when maybe a team may need to keep a struggling starter out there to eat innings since their bullpen is tired as that is a unique scenario. They manage every game as if they have a full set of arms in the pen when in reality they might need that starter to go to at least 85+ just to save stamina for the bullpen guys that are tied.

I think that yellow part is a big portion of the issue with SDS’s logic on stamina as a whole. 80 stamina would be fine if the CPU had two things:
1. The knowledge to keep that starter in if they’re doing fine. And they fully run out of stamina at 100+ pitches.
2. Stamina regenerated fast enough for them to be full five days later for their next start.

Issue #2 applies to my user starters because I’ll leave them out there for 6-7 innings and 105 pitches til the exclamation mark shows up. Then they’ve only got 80% ish stamina built back up five days later and have a horrible start or only last four ish innings. I hate it.

[MiracleMet718]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

I think that yellow part is a big portion of the issue with SDS’s logic on stamina as a whole. 80 stamina would be fine if the CPU had two things:
1. The knowledge to keep that starter in if they’re doing fine. And they fully run out of stamina at 100+ pitches.
2. Stamina regenerated fast enough for them to be full five days later for their next start.

Issue #2 applies to my user starters because I’ll leave them out there for 6-7 innings and 105 pitches til the exclamation mark shows up. Then they’ve only got 80% ish stamina built back up five days later and have a horrible start or only last four ish innings. I hate it.

Reality in baseball today is that most starters barely make it to 90-95 pitches in a start. So while I don’t disagree that stamina could be tweaked, I think people also need to realize that the days of pitcher reaching 100 pitches is a rarity in todays game, especially when they give up more than 2 runs, so we should tweak how we handle those starts accordingly based on how baseball is played these days.

[BrewCrew16]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

Reality in baseball today is that most starters barely make it to 90-95 pitches in a start. So while I don’t disagree that stamina could be tweaked, I think people also need to realize that the days of pitcher reaching 100 pitches is a rarity in todays game, especially when they give up more than 2 runs, so we should tweak how we handle those starts accordingly based on how baseball is played these days.

Understood. The point is that most guys could throw 100 pitches if the situation called for it. The energy/stamina for the CPU makes that impossible to achieve in this year's game. When the pitcher turns yellow, the CPU will yank whoever is on the mound if the circumstances call for it, even though it doesn't make sense. No one is pulling Burnes in the 5rh with my example above. It's one of many factors, obviously not gonna be perfect, but I wish that this was tested more prior to release.

[NightOwl]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

Reality in baseball today is that most starters barely make it to 90-95 pitches in a start. So while I don’t disagree that stamina could be tweaked, I think people also need to realize that the days of pitcher reaching 100 pitches is a rarity in todays game, especially when they give up more than 2 runs, so we should tweak how we handle those starts accordingly based on how baseball is played these days.

I’m fully on board with the game averaging 90-95 pitches per start for the CPU, if #2 wasn’t such an issue. 70-80 stamina attribute and that guy is on red at 90 pitches and probably an (!) by that 95th pitch (if the CPU would even let them get that far). SDS can have them run out of energy at 95 pitches, but if they aren’t going to do something about the stamina not being replenished five days later, the CPU is always going to pull them at yellow so they can be full for their next start. I think that’s just the logic built into the game unfortunately.
The odd part of it is, the CPU completely gasses their bullpens in a three game series against us if you manually play every game. The entire bullpen by the third game is coming into the game below half stamina and getting torched because less than 50% stamina, they’re ineffective when trying to locate pitches, low confidence, and giving up way more hits than they would if they were above 50% stamina. I love the changes to the logic by not leaving LRP’s out there endlessly; although the logic isn’t quite fixed entirely because every franchise I’ve started the CPU keeps 6 or 7 SP’s on the roster and ive had a “reliever” starter throw the final 5 innings of a game against me once, but I considered it a one off. So they’re using that “reliever” all the time to eat up innings 5 and 6 if they’re effective enough to stay out there. If trends continue in one of the franchises I’ve started, i’m 17 games in, and a good handful of those guys are at 12-13 appearances already, they’re going to have 100 appearances.

[NightOwl]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

Apologies for getting a little ranty and off topic towards the end there, but there’s so many underlying issues that are compounded because the stamina for starter logic issues. I could’ve kept typing but it’s 5:40am and I didn’t mean to get this frustrated before sunrise 😂

[Cycloniac]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

I think the game favors circumstances a little too heavily over pitch count. I don't even know if the game considers pitch count; maybe it just looks at innings and says it's the 6th inning, this pitcher has been ok, let's go to the bullpen.

I say that because no manager is yanking a guy at 75 pitches in the 6th inning if he's allowed 4 or fewer runs.

I will say that with stamina slider at 6 and I think hook at 4, I had Shawn Smith throw 90 pitches and Woods-Richardson throw 93 before getting pulled. They both had allowed one run. Both starters had stamina in the 70s.

So, not the worst results I've seen. Game was tied at 1. With it being tied, you know, maybe as a manager you say let me bring in a high leverage reliever at this point to keep the game tied.

[NightOwl]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

I simmed the rest of my season for fun. Sliders for pitching stamina, hook, etc all defaulted at 5 like they have been.
The results:
24 pitchers with 80+ appearances.
5 had more than 90 appearances. Most was Ben Joyce with 95.
19 Starters with more than 190 innings pitched.

To compare to real life. No pitchers had 80 appearances last year. 79 was the league lead. And only 9 starters had 190+ innings.

Sim injuries were on 6.

[NightOwl]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

I simmed the rest of my season for fun. Sliders for pitching stamina, hook, etc all defaulted at 5 like they have been.
The results:
24 pitchers with 80+ appearances.
5 had more than 90 appearances. Most was Ben Joyce with 95.
19 Starters with more than 190 innings pitched.

To compare to real life. No pitchers had 80 appearances last year. 79 was the league lead. And only 9 starters had 190+ innings.

Sim injuries were on 6.

Test with sim injuries on 7. Results below:

30 pitchers with 80+ appearances.
6 with more than 90 appearances. Most was Cam Booser with 96.
21 starters with more than 190 innings pitched.

Somehow, with sim injuries a click higher at 7, the league had worse sim stats in terms of more appearances and innings pitched than the previous sim test at sim injuries 6.

[NightOwl]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

Test with sim injuries on 7. Results below:

30 pitchers with 80+ appearances.
6 with more than 90 appearances. Most was Cam Booser with 96.
21 starters with more than 190 innings pitched.

Somehow, with sim injuries a click higher at 7, the league had worse sim stats in terms of more appearances and innings pitched than the previous sim test at sim injuries 6.

Sim injuries at 10 test below:

32 pitchers with 80+ appearances.
3 with more than 90 appearances. Most was Jhoan Duran at 93.
17 starters with more than 190 innings pitched.

[Cycloniac]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

Sim injuries at 10 test below:

32 pitchers with 80+ appearances.
3 with more than 90 appearances. Most was Jhoan Duran at 93.
17 starters with more than 190 innings pitched.

Try
Starter stamina 4
Reliver stamina 0
Hook 4
Injuries 6

I think I got good sim stats with that in terms of complete games leaders

[NightOwl]

Re: Pitch Counts in MLBTS 25

Try
Starter stamina 4
Reliver stamina 0
Hook 4
Injuries 6

I think I got good sim stats with that in terms of complete games leaders

I’ll give that a shot