Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 17 Timed/Classic Simulation All-Star Sliders

[The Chef]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 17 Timed/Classic Simulation All-Star Slider

So I make that post about classic pitching and Drew Smyly promptly goes out and gives up 5 ER over 6 IP, I was pitching like I always have trying to base my button presses on a combination of control in said pitch as well as confidence in it and let's just say that didn't work out so well. So, I decided to just tap the button regardless of pitch control or confidence when I brought in my reliver Rubby De La Rosa (72 control overall) and suddenly I had more success. Everytime I tried this prior it didn't give me any positive results and seemed to just make things worse so maybe this was a one off and when I try it again next game it will be back to prior results but it did work much better at the very least. De La Rosa was able to toss 5 out of the pen only giving up 3 hits and striking out 4. Granted Nick Vincent then came in and surrendered the game winning run in the 12th as I would lose 6-5 yet again (I've lost 3 games in my last 11 played by a score of 6-5) but it was rather interesting that De La Rosa was able to come in and cruise through so many innings without giving up a run and all I was doing was tapping the button.

In the past I literally just tapped the button and had more success doing that, almost to the point that pitching was too easy but I was also playing as the Dodgers. When I made the move to HOF tapping the button backfired and I gave up runs in droves which caused me to go back to AS at the time. My biggest concern with simply tapping was lack of strikeouts since technically you're not putting as much "effort" into the pitch and curveball's, sliders and offspeed pitches with movement wouldn't fool anyone or at least that's what I thought. The 4 K's De La Rosa had all came on fastballs and he has an 80 in velocity so that might still hold true since he wasn't able to get any K's off his slider or change. It's very intriguing though I have to admit so later tonight when I fire up another game I'll try pitching exclusively by tapping the button and seeing what happens.

[Burgess]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 17 Timed/Classic Simulation All-Star Slider

So I make that post about classic pitching and Drew Smyly promptly goes out and gives up 5 ER over 6 IP, I was pitching like I always have trying to base my button presses on a combination of control in said pitch as well as confidence in it and let's just say that didn't work out so well. So, I decided to just tap the button regardless of pitch control or confidence when I brought in my reliver Rubby De La Rosa (72 control overall) and suddenly I had more success. Everytime I tried this prior it didn't give me any positive results and seemed to just make things worse so maybe this was a one off and when I try it again next game it will be back to prior results but it did work much better at the very least. De La Rosa was able to toss 5 out of the pen only giving up 3 hits and striking out 4. Granted Nick Vincent then came in and surrendered the game winning run in the 12th as I would lose 6-5 yet again (I've lost 3 games in my last 11 played by a score of 6-5) but it was rather interesting that De La Rosa was able to come in and cruise through so many innings without giving up a run and all I was doing was tapping the button.

In the past I literally just tapped the button and had more success doing that, almost to the point that pitching was too easy but I was also playing as the Dodgers. When I made the move to HOF tapping the button backfired and I gave up runs in droves which caused me to go back to AS at the time. My biggest concern with simply tapping was lack of strikeouts since technically you're not putting as much "effort" into the pitch and curveball's, sliders and offspeed pitches with movement wouldn't fool anyone or at least that's what I thought. The 4 K's De La Rosa had all came on fastballs and he has an 80 in velocity so that might still hold true since he wasn't able to get any K's off his slider or change. It's very intriguing though I have to admit so later tonight when I fire up another game I'll try pitching exclusively by tapping the button and seeing what happens.

I get plenty of strikeouts by just tapping x all the time and listening to the catcher all the time. In my Yankees franchise I just lost to the Rays 6-5. Pineda had 8 strikeouts in 6 innings before I pulled him. My relievers Layne and Betances combined for 2 more k's for a total of 10 k's in 8 innings

[mbergh22]

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Just curious.. anyone having a hard time stealing? Like your guy won't go in pitcher movement no matter how much you push L2???

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[BleacherCreature]

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Just curious.. anyone having a hard time stealing? Like your guy won't go in pitcher movement no matter how much you push L2???

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Hold L2 until the pitcher starts his motion then release. Base stealing is all about perfect timing this year. It's so rewarding and so frustrating at the same time.


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[mbergh22]

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Hold L2 until the pitcher starts his motion then release. Base stealing is all about perfect timing this year. It's so rewarding and so frustrating at the same time.


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Ok i didn't have much issue earlier this year but seems something changed lately. Thanks.

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[jake44np]

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On the OP in the sliders it list STRIDE DIFFICULTY at 5.
I do not see this slider on my slider list?

[The Chef]

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On the OP in the sliders it list STRIDE DIFFICULTY at 5.
I do not see this slider on my slider list?

Just ignore it.

[The Chef]

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Played another game last night and did the whole tap the button on every pitch method to give it a full game's try. I had Cody Martin on the mound, my worst starter who is only up there because of Iwakuma's injury and was sporting an ERA north of 5.00 and had been rather ineffective to date. I figured I had nothing to lose so he was the perfect one to try it with and the results were unreal. Martin went out, matched up against the Mets, and gave up 1 ER over 6 IP before being pulled in a 4-1 game. He didn't strike many out (2) and he gave up 6 or 7 hits but was able to skate around trouble and survive. Drew Storn would come in and walk 2 giving up a run in the process but I would hold on for a 5-2 win. The Mets finished with 10 hits (6 Singles, 4 Doubles) but a 3-run bomb from Nelson Cruz would end up being the difference.

Tonight I'll fire up the series finale with King Felix vs Thor which should be another good test with the tapping method as Felix had been struggling with an ERA approaching 4.50.

This is all weird to me, I did this before and got hammered so bailed on it quick. This time around I've given up 3 runs in 14 IP since going to this method. I'll keep at it as I prefer this over driving myself nuts trying to figure out differences between tapping, holding briefly, holding to vibration etc.

[EWRMETS]

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I think part of it is that the Mariners have bad pitching and you're not going to greatly outperform the ratings. I was 26th in the league with them through 80 games and in the midst of an 11 game losing streak, which is why I'm switching to a quick counts Mets franchise for now.

[kodiak]

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I've given up on trying to figure out the mechanics behind how classic works and have gone to visual cues to when I release the button for this year's game and it's what works best for me.

Methods I've tried this year include, tapping, holding until the vibration, tapping when over 50% confidence in that pitch:holding til vibration under 50% confidence and everything in between.

I've noticed no difference in how quickly a guy fatigued as they usually always come out around the same pitch count regardless of effort used.

As for the sliders in the thread, very well done Armor. Games are as good as they've ever been.


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[jake44np]

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Played another game last night and did the whole tap the button on every pitch method to give it a full game's try. I had Cody Martin on the mound, my worst starter who is only up there because of Iwakuma's injury and was sporting an ERA north of 5.00 and had been rather ineffective to date. I figured I had nothing to lose so he was the perfect one to try it with and the results were unreal. Martin went out, matched up against the Mets, and gave up 1 ER over 6 IP before being pulled in a 4-1 game. He didn't strike many out (2) and he gave up 6 or 7 hits but was able to skate around trouble and survive. Drew Storn would come in and walk 2 giving up a run in the process but I would hold on for a 5-2 win. The Mets finished with 10 hits (6 Singles, 4 Doubles) but a 3-run bomb from Nelson Cruz would end up being the difference.

Tonight I'll fire up the series finale with King Felix vs Thor which should be another good test with the tapping method as Felix had been struggling with an ERA approaching 4.50.

This is all weird to me, I did this before and got hammered so bailed on it quick. This time around I've given up 3 runs in 14 IP since going to this method. I'll keep at it as I prefer this over driving myself nuts trying to figure out differences between tapping, holding briefly, holding to vibration etc.

What is the tap the button on every pitch method?

[kodiak]

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What is the tap the button on every pitch method?

The tap method is just quickly tapping the corresponding pitch button once the location is set.

[EWRMETS]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 17 Timed/Classic Simulation All-Star Slider

Does anyone have issues on manual baserunning with the CPU reading balls incorrectly by not moving or going back to a base on a clear hit? I thought this may have been related to the sliders but it continues on default.

[The Chef]

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I think part of it is that the Mariners have bad pitching and you're not going to greatly outperform the ratings. I was 26th in the league with them through 80 games and in the midst of an 11 game losing streak, which is why I'm switching to a quick counts Mets franchise for now.

That's just it I was having decent success early on, Iwakuma went down and my numbers spiked and seemed to effect everyone else in the rotation. But yes the pitching can be tough for sure. I have made 3 moves all addressing my pitching, offensively I haven't done anything trade wise but I did manage to get Drew Storen from Cincinnati, Sonny Gray from Oakland and Rubby De La Rosa from Arizona. I was then able to option Yovani Gallardo down finally as he was a dumpster fire and traded Cishek away as I just couldn't pitch with him. So now De La Rosa is my long reliever and Storen is my second in command behind Ryan Cook for late inning relief. Sonny Gray slid in to the rotation replacing Chris Heston as he was as bad as Gallardo was. So now I've got a rotation of Felix, Gray, Paxton, Smyly and Cody Martin and in 2 weeks Martin will be back in AAA and Iwakuma will be back in the rotation. I get the frustration though I assure you, I wanted to gut Gallardo on the pitchers mound multiple times lol, fans would have loved it, kinda like the old Roman days I suppose.

I've given up on trying to figure out the mechanics behind how classic works and have gone to visual cues to when I release the button for this year's game and it's what works best for me.

Methods I've tried this year include, tapping, holding until the vibration, tapping when over 50% confidence in that pitch:holding til vibration under 50% confidence and everything in between.

I've noticed no difference in how quickly a guy fatigued as they usually always come out around the same pitch count regardless of effort used.

As for the sliders in the thread, very well done Armor. Games are as good as they've ever been.


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Well that's not very encouraging for my new approach of just tapping the button for every pitch lol. As for fatigue, I tend to agree as they get tired around the same point regardless if I'm holding until the vibration or just tapping the button, it seems like it's probably hard coded to pitch count with difficulty of innings mixed in to generate a pitcher becoming tired. If tapping the button backfires on me I don't know what I'll do as I've gone insane trying to figure out the mechanics of when is the proper time to release the button for effort on a pitch.

You mention using visual cues, what might those be in the event I need to go down that road if my current situation blows up in my face?

Does anyone have issues on manual baserunning with the CPU reading balls incorrectly by not moving or going back to a base on a clear hit? I thought this may have been related to the sliders but it continues on default.

I haven't ever had that happen in 104 games played, all with manual baserunning. I know sometimes if its a bloop sometimes they go halfway and start to retreat when they think it's gonna get caught and then get thrown out at second but that has happened maybe twice in 104 games and I'm not even sure that's what you're referencing anyways.

[forme95]

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Does anyone have issues on manual baserunning with the CPU reading balls incorrectly by not moving or going back to a base on a clear hit? I thought this may have been related to the sliders but it continues on default.

I've never ran into this on a "clear" hit. I've had the cpu hold my runners on possible close catches. Last night I had one hit to deep left and the chasing LFer jumped to get the ball and it bounced off the wall. My guys held till I saw he was going to miss it and I held L1 and everyone started moving. It cost me a potential run, but it was a close play that I was glad I didn't just send my guys.

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