Armor & Swords MLB The Show 20 Classic/Directional Clean Screen Simulation Sliders

[TopSide83]

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And you play on Hall of Fame using classic pitching? Where does your team fall in the league in strikeouts?


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Im using the exact setup as armor has on the main page. Everything from the clean screen to no vibration or ball marker. I’m currently 9th in the league in strikeouts using Tampa Bay.

Learn your pitchers release point. As in when to let go of the pitch button while they’re in their windup

[jb12780]

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No HRs this game but they weren’t needed. Cole is a freak.


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[sharkdaballer]

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Analog is too easy to hit spots and dominte with lesser rated pitchers. One of the core tenets of our best slider makers is staying as close to default as possible. I tested sliders using analog pitching in 19 and to make it challenging enough I had to knock control and consistency down to 2 also. But in doing so I noticed a different feel in gameplay which was less organic for me and more "stat chasing". It definitely impacted the game in ways which felt unnatural for me.

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Oh forsure. My pitchers usually lead tha league in lowest walks allowed, miles ahead of anybody else. This is the first time I've lowered the Control + consistency so I'll keep an eye out for a change in gameplay

[ILLICIT206]

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Great sliders as always!

Only adjustment I've made is lowering Human Foul Frequency to 4. I was noticing I was fouling off a ton of 2-strike pitches and I wasn't striking out too often, maybe 4-5 times per game. This has made a huge difference in bringing K's to a more realistic rate.

[HighCmpPct]

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One more thing with strikeouts. Pay attention to 2 big things.

1st: Keep track of what pitches are actually working for your guy that day. Yeah a slider low and away is a great K pitch, but not if your guy hasn't located it all game. Either they're not gonna chase it or he's gonna locate it horribly and it get hit.

2nd: Pay attention to every result on every CPU swing. Particularly misses and fouls for or with 2 strikes. They will tell you where to go next. Okay he fouled off a FB, but how he fouled it is all that matters. Was he late? Was he early? Did he swing over or under it?

Every one of those answers results in a different approach for the K pitch. Fouled or missed late? Throw another FB. Fouled or missed Early? Go Off-Speed. Swing under it? Go even higher out of the zone. Etc.

You must learn how to actually pitch to play this game correctly on higher levels. And I don't mean just the little basics. I mean really learn it.

[MOJOMORRO]

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One more thing with strikeouts. Pay attention to 2 big things.

1st: Keep track of what pitches are actually working for your guy that day. Yeah a slider low and away is a great K pitch, but not if your guy hasn't located it all game. Either they're not gonna chase it or he's gonna locate it horribly and it get hit.

2nd: Pay attention to every result on every CPU swing. Particularly misses and fouls for or with 2 strikes. They will tell you where to go next. Okay he fouled off a FB, but how he fouled it is all that matters. Was he late? Was he early? Did he swing over or under it?

Every one of those answers results in a different approach for the K pitch. Fouled or missed late? Throw another FB. Fouled or missed Early? Go Off-Speed. Swing under it? Go even higher out of the zone. Etc.

You must learn how to actually pitch to play this game correctly on higher levels. And I don't mean just the little basics. I mean really learn it.

As someone who pitched in college recently, I really want to second this. The Show does the best job of emulating the mental game of chess that develops between hitters and pitchers over the course of a game.

The blue circular confidence bar that appears next to your pitches is critically important to pitching a good game. The higher that circle is, the more confidence your pitcher has with that pitch. Whatever the highest confidence offspeed pitch is, that should be the pitch you're looking to put away guys with in 2 strike situations. From personal experience, I liked to go curve, changeup to put guys away; but that all depended on what the batter did. If he fouled off or laid off the change, I went back in the AB to see how he handled my fastball and other pitches I threw. Which one did he seem to sit on? Was there one that he barely touched? That all affects the next pitch you throw, and that doesn't even factor in how comfortable you feel throwing each pitch. Remember what pitches have been working for you all game, and as you get to play 5-10 starts with someone what has been the go to over time. Have people been pounding your sinker into the ground all game? Mix that in when someone fouls something off or in more neutral counts. Have people been hosing your changeup into the gap all game? Don't look to throw it anymore, find new ways to mix it up. You can't just sit up there with a mid 70 overall pitcher and go fastball-change-slider-fastball-curve every time someone walks up there and expect to strike someone out; because the AI learns. It'll start swinging at the first pitch when you're just getting one over for a strike 90% of the time the first time through the lineup, and it knows which pitches to sit on because you're hanging them or which pitches to avoid chasing because you've thrown it to 7 of the last 10 hitters with 2 strikes. Remember, hitters are all always exchanging information with each other after every at bat (or maybe during in the case of the Astros but that doesn't apply in game); and it's your job to stay one step ahead of them every time you face someone again.

Two tips that have helped me immensely that I think can help you all out too:

1. Hide a pitch (or two). Essentially only applies to starters, but if you can try to pitch through the first time through the lineup only using 3 pitches, you'll set yourself up for success. Get into a jam in the first? Throw that R1 pitch a couple times if the situation is right, but also save it to mix up your approach and patterns the second time though. It helps keep the CPU off balance as the game goes on and will help you develop a more complex pitching process.
2. Don't be afraid to walk people. Honestly, I truly believe in the game walking people leads to more strikeouts. If you're just pounding the zone all the time batters irl and in the game adjust to that and start to just pick out an area where they want a pitch and they know they'll get it. Throwing a ball on 0-1 when someone just hit a missile foul is always a good idea just to keep them honest. If someone has been obliterating you in a series, do what we liked to call an "unintentional intentional walk." Don't actually hit the int. walk icon, but throw pitches that aren't strikes and see if you can get him to hurt himself by chasing. If you walk him on 5, that's fine, who cares, but don't be afraid to let hitters go when they're up 3-1 in the count.

Hope this helps someone

[MOJOMORRO]

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Also to add to the post above, when you start bringing in your pen, remember who the starter was. Was he throwing a 96FB and a slider and a changeup? Don't bring in the guy in your pen who also throws 97 with a change and a slider. It's like facing the same guy. Change up the timing windows, bring in someone who throws offspeed as a primary or only throws about 92 but has a curve and a cutter which haven't been seen much in the game. Obviously, if it's your 8th-9th inning reliever combo that won't always be the case and you should roll with your best guys, but all of these tiny nuances matter to have success pitching in this game.

[dubplate]

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I have seen better bullpen usage on 20. No doubt.

Ratings at 100? I have to look at that. So I can’t comment on that as of yet.

I just noticed that with the ratings as well. Hoskins and Harper on the Phillies has vision over 100. I played a game last night though (8th of the season) and looked at their player cards when I was done and noticed both players regressed to 99.

[jb12780]

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I just noticed that with the ratings as well. Hoskins and Harper on the Phillies has vision over 100. I played a game last night though (8th of the season) and looked at their player cards when I was done and noticed both players regressed to 99.

They dropped for me and went to a normal level. Dropped a few OVR ratings as well.


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[HighCmpPct]

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As someone who pitched in college recently, I really want to second this. The Show does the best job of emulating the mental game of chess that develops between hitters and pitchers over the course of a game.

The blue circular confidence bar that appears next to your pitches is critically important to pitching a good game. The higher that circle is, the more confidence your pitcher has with that pitch. Whatever the highest confidence offspeed pitch is, that should be the pitch you're looking to put away guys with in 2 strike situations. From personal experience, I liked to go curve, changeup to put guys away; but that all depended on what the batter did. If he fouled off or laid off the change, I went back in the AB to see how he handled my fastball and other pitches I threw. Which one did he seem to sit on? Was there one that he barely touched? That all affects the next pitch you throw, and that doesn't even factor in how comfortable you feel throwing each pitch. Remember what pitches have been working for you all game, and as you get to play 5-10 starts with someone what has been the go to over time. Have people been pounding your sinker into the ground all game? Mix that in when someone fouls something off or in more neutral counts. Have people been hosing your changeup into the gap all game? Don't look to throw it anymore, find new ways to mix it up. You can't just sit up there with a mid 70 overall pitcher and go fastball-change-slider-fastball-curve every time someone walks up there and expect to strike someone out; because the AI learns. It'll start swinging at the first pitch when you're just getting one over for a strike 90% of the time the first time through the lineup, and it knows which pitches to sit on because you're hanging them or which pitches to avoid chasing because you've thrown it to 7 of the last 10 hitters with 2 strikes. Remember, hitters are all always exchanging information with each other after every at bat (or maybe during in the case of the Astros but that doesn't apply in game); and it's your job to stay one step ahead of them every time you face someone again.

Two tips that have helped me immensely that I think can help you all out too:

1. Hide a pitch (or two). Essentially only applies to starters, but if you can try to pitch through the first time through the lineup only using 3 pitches, you'll set yourself up for success. Get into a jam in the first? Throw that R1 pitch a couple times if the situation is right, but also save it to mix up your approach and patterns the second time though. It helps keep the CPU off balance as the game goes on and will help you develop a more complex pitching process.
2. Don't be afraid to walk people. Honestly, I truly believe in the game walking people leads to more strikeouts. If you're just pounding the zone all the time batters irl and in the game adjust to that and start to just pick out an area where they want a pitch and they know they'll get it. Throwing a ball on 0-1 when someone just hit a missile foul is always a good idea just to keep them honest. If someone has been obliterating you in a series, do what we liked to call an "unintentional intentional walk." Don't actually hit the int. walk icon, but throw pitches that aren't strikes and see if you can get him to hurt himself by chasing. If you walk him on 5, that's fine, who cares, but don't be afraid to let hitters go when they're up 3-1 in the count.

Hope this helps someone

Love that another actual pitcher picked up on that post. It's been about 10 years since I pitched in college/minors. But it is ridiculous how much this game mirrors real life pitching on the higher levels.

[Gagnon39]

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Im using the exact setup as armor has on the main page. Everything from the clean screen to no vibration or ball marker. I’m currently 9th in the league in strikeouts using Tampa Bay.

Learn your pitchers release point. As in when to let go of the pitch button while they’re in their windup

I have to say that’s impressive then. Do you ever stream? I’d love to watch and see. I’m a long time Show bet and not exactly new to baseball. But I can’t get many punch outs. I’ve not always had this issue in The Show but I have from time to time with various versions.


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[Gagnon39]

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As someone who pitched in college recently, I really want to second this. The Show does the best job of emulating the mental game of chess that develops between hitters and pitchers over the course of a game.

The blue circular confidence bar that appears next to your pitches is critically important to pitching a good game. The higher that circle is, the more confidence your pitcher has with that pitch. Whatever the highest confidence offspeed pitch is, that should be the pitch you're looking to put away guys with in 2 strike situations. From personal experience, I liked to go curve, changeup to put guys away; but that all depended on what the batter did. If he fouled off or laid off the change, I went back in the AB to see how he handled my fastball and other pitches I threw. Which one did he seem to sit on? Was there one that he barely touched? That all affects the next pitch you throw, and that doesn't even factor in how comfortable you feel throwing each pitch. Remember what pitches have been working for you all game, and as you get to play 5-10 starts with someone what has been the go to over time. Have people been pounding your sinker into the ground all game? Mix that in when someone fouls something off or in more neutral counts. Have people been hosing your changeup into the gap all game? Don't look to throw it anymore, find new ways to mix it up. You can't just sit up there with a mid 70 overall pitcher and go fastball-change-slider-fastball-curve every time someone walks up there and expect to strike someone out; because the AI learns. It'll start swinging at the first pitch when you're just getting one over for a strike 90% of the time the first time through the lineup, and it knows which pitches to sit on because you're hanging them or which pitches to avoid chasing because you've thrown it to 7 of the last 10 hitters with 2 strikes. Remember, hitters are all always exchanging information with each other after every at bat (or maybe during in the case of the Astros but that doesn't apply in game); and it's your job to stay one step ahead of them every time you face someone again.

Two tips that have helped me immensely that I think can help you all out too:

1. Hide a pitch (or two). Essentially only applies to starters, but if you can try to pitch through the first time through the lineup only using 3 pitches, you'll set yourself up for success. Get into a jam in the first? Throw that R1 pitch a couple times if the situation is right, but also save it to mix up your approach and patterns the second time though. It helps keep the CPU off balance as the game goes on and will help you develop a more complex pitching process.
2. Don't be afraid to walk people. Honestly, I truly believe in the game walking people leads to more strikeouts. If you're just pounding the zone all the time batters irl and in the game adjust to that and start to just pick out an area where they want a pitch and they know they'll get it. Throwing a ball on 0-1 when someone just hit a missile foul is always a good idea just to keep them honest. If someone has been obliterating you in a series, do what we liked to call an "unintentional intentional walk." Don't actually hit the int. walk icon, but throw pitches that aren't strikes and see if you can get him to hurt himself by chasing. If you walk him on 5, that's fine, who cares, but don't be afraid to let hitters go when they're up 3-1 in the count.

Hope this helps someone

Is there a way to see pitch confidence somewhere while using the clean screen approach?


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[jb12780]

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Knocked Mike Minor our with a come backer and Texas never was in the game after that.


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[MOJOMORRO]

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Is there a way to see pitch confidence somewhere while using the clean screen approach?


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I don't think so. That comes with more memory and just feel for the game at that point. But if you turn on the little thing on the side that tells you what your pitches are (not sure what it's called) for a few games you should get the feel relatively quickly. Personally only change I make to Armor's approach is just having that on the screen and I rarely follow the catcher suggestions. Being a pitcher that never threw particularly hard I've always had an extremely cerebral approach to pitching that I use when I play the show. I'm not sure if the other guys on here who find success pitching calls their own game or just follow the catcher but I would bet they go off script often.

[Armor and Sword]

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I don't think so. That comes with more memory and just feel for the game at that point. But if you turn on the little thing on the side that tells you what your pitches are (not sure what it's called) for a few games you should get the feel relatively quickly. Personally only change I make to Armor's approach is just having that on the screen and I rarely follow the catcher suggestions. Being a pitcher that never threw particularly hard I've always had an extremely cerebral approach to pitching that I use when I play the show. I'm not sure if the other guys on here who find success pitching calls their own game or just follow the catcher but I would bet they go off script often.

I find myself on HOF calling 50-60% of my own pitches and that gets higher in the game as I have a feel for what kind of stuff and what is working well.

Sometimes my catcher call a great game and I go 80% with them.

Again it is all rhythm, feel and sequencing just like IRL.


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