Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

[johnnydrum]

Hiya you beautties.....
Getting ready to start my 30 team Franchise, but witing for the Tatis Jnr...
I recall years ago , posters making adjustments to the Staminia sliders to add a more truer real life experiance---Can anyone let me know what the settings are for this years edition , or do they play out fine at "default" setting (which is "5" on the sliders.)
Thank you
Johnny

[Funkycorm]

Re: Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

You will get a few different opinions on this.

Here is my take:

I discovered that changing user stamina impacts the CPU approach at the plate. Putting it above 5 made them more passive because they can't tire out the starter as easily. CPU starters will go 5-6 innings with their stamina at default as well. A few of us discussed it in another thread about a week ago maybe. Some interesting findings from other users on this topic as well.

For bullpen stamina, there is zero reason to change this. Again on the user side, it impacts the CPU approach at the plate. And for the CPU, again no need to change this.

Manager hook: There are a few theories here. To me, it's mostly compensation for changes to stamina. I see no reason to change this. I honestly couldn't tell you the last MLB I changed this on.

Overall, in my opinion, the best thing to do is stay at default. The game is balanced around default settings. Let the games play out the way the devs intended. Across the board. It plays quite well this year.

As I said, you will see different opinions and none are going to be wrong. Just sharing my experiences.

My goal is to chase fun. Many focus on stats. That's not my intent so that is where I am coming from here.

[johnnydrum]

Re: Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

You will get a few different opinions on this.

Thank you so much for this.

[dowie]

Re: Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

You will get a few different opinions on this.

Here is my take:

I discovered that changing user stamina impacts the CPU approach at the plate. Putting it above 5 made them more passive because they can't tire out the starter as easily. CPU starters will go 5-6 innings with their stamina at default as well. A few of us discussed it in another thread about a week ago maybe. Some interesting findings from other users on this topic as well.

For bullpen stamina, there is zero reason to change this. Again on the user side, it impacts the CPU approach at the plate. And for the CPU, again no need to change this.

Manager hook: There are a few theories here. To me, it's mostly compensation for changes to stamina. I see no reason to change this. I honestly couldn't tell you the last MLB I changed this on.

Overall, in my opinion, the best thing to do is stay at default. The game is balanced around default settings. Let the games play out the way the devs intended. Across the board. It plays quite well this year.

As I said, you will see different opinions and none are going to be wrong. Just sharing my experiences.

My goal is to chase fun. Many focus on stats. That's not my intent so that is where I am coming from here.

Legend, classic/direction, default sliders (except injury and trades)....plays very good IMO...can't see myself changing.

To each their own though....whatever works for the individual.

Dowie

[GAMEBREAKER85]

Re: Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

STARTER STAMINA - I use the same slider bump as I did last year at +1 to 6. If you leave it at 5 you start to get to that 0 energy threshold near 80-90 pitches pending on your guy's rating. I feel like at +1 you can get to that 100 number and still have just enough juice in the tank.

I do not mess with any rating adjustments to starters.
Sim Sliders - I move starter stamina to 1 or 2 can't remember off the top of my head - this helps get rid of complete games and shutouts.

RELIEVER STAMINA - Default 5; Reliever stamina is pretty solid - no complaints

***I am looking into lowering any relief pitcher i.e. starters but in real life are relief guys to stamina ratings under 40. I feel like this is one of the biggest issues with the bullpen logic issues The Show experiences.

CPU HOOK - I move this to 6 as well; go look at pitching statistics - teams use as many pitchers as they can a night & many pitchers usually DO NOT go at a 1:1 ratio for appearance to innings pitched. If you leave it at 5, I find the CPU to use the long relief pitchers too long, they always stretch them 2-3 innings. I feel like the hook makes the CPU pull the trigger.

For Simulated Games this is the most important slider to adjust - I have mine on 9; this is the biggest slider for eliminating simulated complete games.

[jcar0725]

Re: Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

I have them all at default. I turned off the green/yellow stamina bar, which helps tremendously. If it wasn't for that stamina bar, I would barely notice if stamina was even an issue. I've seen opposing starters go 8 or 9 innings when they're having a good day, and I've seen them get pulled early when not having a quality start. I suggest turning off that bar.

[GAMEBREAKER85]

Re: Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

How do you turn off the stamina bar? When you bring up their pitch option the Confidence & Stamina Bar appear; did not know you could get rid of that.

[jcar0725]

Re: Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

How do you turn off the stamina bar? When you bring up their pitch option the Confidence & Stamina Bar appear; did not know you could get rid of that.

I'm not at the PS now but its in the settings somewhere to turn it off and only see the pitch options.

[dowie]

Re: Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

Just my 2 cents......

When playing - leave stamina's and hook @ default (5).
When simming - hook @ 10 and SP stam at 1 or 2 drastically reduces CG's.

To avoid RP's pitching multiple innings far to often, I universally lowered all RP and CP staminas to below 40.

Dowie

[forme95]

Re: Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

My goal is to chase fun. Many focus on stats. That's not my intent so that is where I am coming from here.

NO TRUER STATEMENT could be made. I spent so many years between Madden and MLBTS doing this, I forgot how fun the games were.

[JoshC1977]

Re: Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

For played games, I've recently begun bumping the CPU SP stamina by 10 prior to each game and then reverting it back after I play the game (no quick counts). Just running on default stamina/hook sliders (actually, default across the board) and it's actually pretty amazing how much it alters the dynamics of bullpen usage and so on. Pitcher pulls are much more varied and organic based on situation and it's effectively making long relievers less prominent. It's actually been a really spiffy little adjustment; I haven't been happier with the game on the field than I am now.

Also, I don't find there to be a need to make this adjustment for user pitchers; it's quite easy to hit appropriate pitch counts (based on stamina ratings).

[jcar0725]

Re: Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

For played games, I've recently begun bumping the CPU SP stamina by 10 prior to each game and then reverting it back after I play the game (no quick counts). Just running on default stamina/hook sliders (actually, default across the board) and it's actually pretty amazing how much it alters the dynamics of bullpen usage and so on. Pitcher pulls are much more varied and organic based on situation and it's effectively making long relievers less prominent. It's actually been a really spiffy little adjustment; I haven't been happier with the game on the field than I am now.

Also, I don't find there to be a need to make this adjustment for user pitchers; it's quite easy to hit appropriate pitch counts (based on stamina ratings).

Are you still running on AS default for both hitting and pitching.

[JoshC1977]

Re: Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

Are you still running on AS default for both hitting and pitching.

AS+ defaults...bumping it up from AS to AS+ really cleaned-up a lot of issues.

[Jayyd11]

Re: Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

AS+ defaults...bumping it up from AS to AS+ really cleaned-up a lot of issues.

How to do I get to all star+

[jcar0725]

Re: Starter / Reliever Staminia/ Hooks

AS+ defaults...bumping it up from AS to AS+ really cleaned-up a lot of issues.

Perfect, thank you.