CPU Offensive is atrocious!

[dowie]

Re: CPU Offensive is atrocious!

My ONLY thought around lowering control and consistency was to increase the # of meatballs to try and help the offense.

Meatballs have increased, BUT the cpu still either A. takes the pitch or B. swing right through it for too often.......it's maddening!!!!!!

It is crazy that the ratings don't seem to matter at all with pitchers.

Sorta killed the immersion for me, when a #5 SP consistently pitches just like a #1 ace.

Plain and simple, they have overpowered the pitching by 1000% and not sure it can be fixed w/ sliders or editing attributes.

I wish all of you luck....I just stopped trying to fight a video game and went back to what I know has a great pitching/hitting mechanic (20).

Dowie

[Kendall_Gilbert]

Re: CPU Offensive is atrocious!

The only issue is player ratings do not matter. I can get Greinke with his 45-50 K/9 rating to have 10 strikeouts in 6 innings which isn't realistic for him. So that isn't playing to his ratings either. So raising sliders wouldn't hurt them any more than they are. It is ridiculous how bad they made the strikeouts this year.

The only issue with lowering control and consistency is people believe that changes the aggressiveness of the hitters. So I don't know if that could be making things worse if you lower them or not.

We have tried cpu contact at 10 and timing at 10 and that somewhat controls the strikeouts but they just get too many hits. I looked at Mike Lowe's sliders and he has timing at 4 on legend. This seems counterintuitive since we are trying to get less strikeouts and more offense.

So that made me test Allstar with CPU contact at 10 and everything else at default except power and timing at 4. My thinking is contact at 10 will lower their chases and the lower power and timing will curb their offense where they are not hitting like crazy. Very small sample size...In 4 games pitching so far with the Dodgers and facing the Red Sox and Diamondbacks, the CPU is hitting .285. 4.0 runs per game and 9.8 hits per game. Strikeouts are still a little high at 10.59 K/9.

This is beyond frustrating because I swear it wasn't this bad or atleast I didn't notice it until this last patch

[dowie]

Re: CPU Offensive is atrocious!

This is beyond frustrating because I swear it wasn't this bad or atleast I didn't notice it until this last patch

It's really bad...almost makes the game unplayable.

I mean, what's the point if ratings have zero impact on the game.

If I wanted that, I'd go play the NHL series

Dowie

[TripleCrown]

Re: CPU Offensive is atrocious!

The only issue is player ratings do not matter. I can get Greinke with his 45-50 K/9 rating to have 10 strikeouts in 6 innings which isn't realistic for him. So that isn't playing to his ratings either. So raising sliders wouldn't hurt them any more than they are. It is ridiculous how bad they made the strikeouts this year.

The only issue with lowering control and consistency is people believe that changes the aggressiveness of the hitters. So I don't know if that could be making things worse if you lower them or not.

We have tried cpu contact at 10 and timing at 10 and that somewhat controls the strikeouts but they just get too many hits. I looked at Mike Lowe's sliders and he has timing at 4 on legend. This seems counterintuitive since we are trying to get less strikeouts and more offense.

So that made me test Allstar with CPU contact at 10 and everything else at default except power and timing at 4. My thinking is contact at 10 will lower their chases and the lower power and timing will curb their offense where they are not hitting like crazy. Very small sample size...In 4 games pitching so far with the Dodgers and facing the Red Sox and Diamondbacks, the CPU is hitting .285. 4.0 runs per game and 9.8 hits per game. Strikeouts are still a little high at 10.59 K/9.

Just to point out that K/9 rating is only when simming games. Well it’s used to be like this for years but maybe it’s not the case anymore. Someone can confirm ?

[Kendall_Gilbert]

Re: CPU Offensive is atrocious!

Just to point out that K/9 rating is only when simming games. Well it’s used to be like this for years but maybe it’s not the case anymore. Someone can confirm ?

That would honestly make more sense to me. And in turn the actual Pitch Types and attributes is what would matter when actually playing the game

[Kendall_Gilbert]

Re: CPU Offensive is atrocious!

Update: As I've said I have been using the CAP with 99 everything as a barometer. So his last couple games he's gone 1-8 at the plate. I lower both his CON R and L from 99 to 88 and in his first game with these new numbers he's 2-3 with two 2 singles and 2 RBI's.

What I am thinking is for some reason the game doesn't compute 99 contact correctly lol.

[dowie]

Re: CPU Offensive is atrocious!

OK felllas...I invested a couple of hours tonight, dusted off 23 and played a game with the following sliders in a test franchise environment.

HOF Level - Classic Pitching (ballmarker on) - Directional Hitting - Broadcast View pitching - Retro Hit Cam - Rosters are SDS (right around a 4/15 update).

Keep in mind league averages are:
15% foul balls p/team
21% swing/miss per team
60-65% Strike %

Opening Day
Ari (Me) at Dodgers (cpu) Merrill Kelly vs Walker Buehler

Ari 2R 6H 1E 2BB 6K 1 2B, 1 3B
LA 7R 15H 0E 5BB 6K 2 2B

Ari 58% strike
LA 65% strike

Ari 13% foul
LA 9% foul

Ari 30% swing/miss
LA 16% swing/miss

Notes: LA was hitting the ball hard, but way too many singles and not enough gappers (or HR's). My hitting felt pretty good. A few warning track shots and both XBH's were shots down the line.

LA didn't swing and miss very much, but hey, it's the Dodgers.
My complaint with the cpu offense is with all that power, they shouldn't have been singling me to death.

I'll say this... LA wasn't chasing breaking balls out of the zone, and they were much more aggressive in hitters count (which I love).

Another thing that opened my eyes was how organic the fielding felt. I use auto fielding, manual throwing, and with balls hit deep, I held my breath because OF'ers were having to make catches on the run etc. It felt/looked real nice.

Here are the sliders I used:

USER

CONTACT 8
POWER 5
TIMING 8
FOUL 5
SOLID HITS 8
SP STAM 6
RP STAM 6 (I LIKE IT MORE AT 5, BECAUSE A 27 STAMINA RP THREW 42 PITCHES FOR ME AND THAT'S TOO MANY)
PITCH CONTROL 5
PITCH CONSISTENCY 5

CPU

CONTACT 8
POWER 5
TIMING 8
FOUL 5
SOLID HITS 8
SP STAM 5
RP STAM 5
CONTROL 5
CONSISTENCY 5
STRIKE FREQ 5
HOOK 4 CPU MANAGER PULLED PITCHERS AT APPROPRIATE TIME IMO
PICKOFF 4 (TRYING TO MIMIC TODAY'S THROW-OVER RULES TO SOME EXTENT)

GLOBAL

FB PITCH SPD 6
OFFSPEED PITCH SPD 6
FIELD ERROR IF 4
FIELD ERROR OF 4 (OUTFIELD PLAY SAW MORE SUCCESSFUL DIVING ATTEMPTS THEN WHAT I USED TO SEE AT 5)
THROW ERRORS IF 6 (I HAD 1 THROWING ERROR FROM A POORLY RATED 2B WHO THREW FROM DEEP IN THE HOLE, SO THAT FELT RIGHT TO ME.
THROW ERRORS OF 6
FIELD RUN SPEED 3
FIELD REACTION 3
FIELD ARM STRENGTH IF 5
FIELD ARM STRENGTH OF 5
BASERUNNER SPEED 4
BASERUNNING STEAL ABILITY 9 (WE ALL KNOW WITH HOW POORLY MOST PLAYERS ARE RATED IN THIS CATEGORY THEY NEED HELP)
BASERUNNING STEAL FREQ 8 (TRYING TO MIMIC TODAY'S MLB WHERE RUNNERS ARE ATTEMPTING SB ALOT
WIND 5
INJURY 7
SIM INJURY 7
TRADE 2 (TILL JULY, THEN MOVE IT TO 3) I ALSO MOVE IT TO 3 DURING WINTER MEETINGS WEEK.

Well, there you have it. Maybe 7/5/7/5/7/ is slightly better than 8/5/8/5/8 for hitting? Hard to say w/o a larger sample size.

Let me know how it goes, if you give these a spin. I think you'll be happy with the fielding. Now if the engine would just give "us" just a slightly better 1B, 2B, 3B, HR ratio.

Dowie

[Kendall_Gilbert]

Re: CPU Offensive is atrocious!

OK felllas...I invested a couple of hours tonight, dusted off 23 and played a game with the following sliders in a test franchise environment.

HOF Level - Classic Pitching (ballmarker on) - Directional Hitting - Broadcast View pitching - Retro Hit Cam - Rosters are SDS (right around a 4/15 update).

Keep in mind league averages are:
15% foul balls p/team
21% swing/miss per team
60-65% Strike %

Opening Day
Ari (Me) at Dodgers (cpu) Merrill Kelly vs Walker Buehler

Ari 2R 6H 1E 2BB 6K 1 2B, 1 3B
LA 7R 15H 0E 5BB 6K 2 2B

Ari 58% strike
LA 65% strike

Ari 13% foul
LA 9% foul

Ari 30% swing/miss
LA 16% swing/miss

Notes: LA was hitting the ball hard, but way too many singles and not enough gappers (or HR's). My hitting felt pretty good. A few warning track shots and both XBH's were shots down the line.

LA didn't swing and miss very much, but hey, it's the Dodgers.
My complaint with the cpu offense is with all that power, they shouldn't have been singling me to death.

I'll say this... LA wasn't chasing breaking balls out of the zone, and they were much more aggressive in hitters count (which I love).

Another thing that opened my eyes was how organic the fielding felt. I use auto fielding, manual throwing, and with balls hit deep, I held my breath because OF'ers were having to make catches on the run etc. It felt/looked real nice.

Here are the sliders I used:

USER

CONTACT 8
POWER 5
TIMING 8
FOUL 5
SOLID HITS 8
SP STAM 6
RP STAM 6 (I LIKE IT MORE AT 5, BECAUSE A 27 STAMINA RP THREW 42 PITCHES FOR ME AND THAT'S TOO MANY)
PITCH CONTROL 5
PITCH CONSISTENCY 5

CPU

CONTACT 8
POWER 5
TIMING 8
FOUL 5
SOLID HITS 8
SP STAM 5
RP STAM 5
CONTROL 5
CONSISTENCY 5
STRIKE FREQ 5
HOOK 4 CPU MANAGER PULLED PITCHERS AT APPROPRIATE TIME IMO
PICKOFF 4 (TRYING TO MIMIC TODAY'S THROW-OVER RULES TO SOME EXTENT)

GLOBAL

FB PITCH SPD 6
OFFSPEED PITCH SPD 6
FIELD ERROR IF 4
FIELD ERROR OF 4 (OUTFIELD PLAY SAW MORE SUCCESSFUL DIVING ATTEMPTS THEN WHAT I USED TO SEE AT 5)
THROW ERRORS IF 6 (I HAD 1 THROWING ERROR FROM A POORLY RATED 2B WHO THREW FROM DEEP IN THE HOLE, SO THAT FELT RIGHT TO ME.
THROW ERRORS OF 6
FIELD RUN SPEED 3
FIELD REACTION 3
FIELD ARM STRENGTH IF 5
FIELD ARM STRENGTH OF 5
BASERUNNER SPEED 4
BASERUNNING STEAL ABILITY 9 (WE ALL KNOW WITH HOW POORLY MOST PLAYERS ARE RATED IN THIS CATEGORY THEY NEED HELP)
BASERUNNING STEAL FREQ 8 (TRYING TO MIMIC TODAY'S MLB WHERE RUNNERS ARE ATTEMPTING SB ALOT
WIND 5
INJURY 7
SIM INJURY 7
TRADE 2 (TILL JULY, THEN MOVE IT TO 3) I ALSO MOVE IT TO 3 DURING WINTER MEETINGS WEEK.

Well, there you have it. Maybe 7/5/7/5/7/ is slightly better than 8/5/8/5/8 for hitting? Hard to say w/o a larger sample size.

Let me know how it goes, if you give these a spin. I think you'll be happy with the fielding. Now if the engine would just give "us" just a slightly better 1B, 2B, 3B, HR ratio.

Dowie

I'll give these a try

[tc020791]

CPU Offensive is atrocious!

I'll give these a try

I would still recommend Rmiok’s sliders for pitching, they’ve given me the best results. It’s essentially default Legend pitching but with CPU contact and power bumped up to 6. I’m seeing a lot of great hit variety. You can drop USER pitch control to 4 to make it harder, that’s what I’m doing. Gave up 7 runs on 11 hits last game to the Blue Jays, but it didn’t feel cheap at all. I also struck out 7.

[DarthRambo]

Re: CPU Offensive is atrocious!

Just to point out that K/9 rating is only when simming games. Well it’s used to be like this for years but maybe it’s not the case anymore. Someone can confirm ?

This is the major thing I learned this year. Those /9 ratings are to create realistic simulated stats. And the break, velocity, control attributes for each individual pitch is what is used for games played.

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[jcar0725]

Re: CPU Offensive is atrocious!

I would still recommend Rmiok’s sliders for pitching, they’ve given me the best results. It’s essentially default Legend pitching but with CPU contact and power bumped up to 6. I’m seeing a lot of great hit variety. You can drop USER pitch control to 4 to make it harder, that’s what I’m doing. Gave up 7 runs on 11 hits last game to the Blue Jays, but it didn’t feel cheap at all. I also struck out 7.

If you're using classic pitching, this is the way. I haven't touched a pitching slider in months since using this. Tremendous variety from game to game. And you really have to "pitch".

[dowie]

Re: CPU Offensive is atrocious!

Rmiok seems really happy w/ his set & results.

Mine was just one game...so yeah, feel free to just plug his in and play.

I don't have a large sample size with mine...just trying to help/provide data.

Dowie

[Kendall_Gilbert]

Re: CPU Offensive is atrocious!

I play CPUvsCPU so User pitching doesn't affect me as much. I just want the CPU to play as close to they ratings as possible

[Kendall_Gilbert]

Re: CPU Offensive is atrocious!

OK felllas...I invested a couple of hours tonight, dusted off 23 and played a game with the following sliders in a test franchise environment.

HOF Level - Classic Pitching (ballmarker on) - Directional Hitting - Broadcast View pitching - Retro Hit Cam - Rosters are SDS (right around a 4/15 update).

Keep in mind league averages are:
15% foul balls p/team
21% swing/miss per team
60-65% Strike %

Opening Day
Ari (Me) at Dodgers (cpu) Merrill Kelly vs Walker Buehler

Ari 2R 6H 1E 2BB 6K 1 2B, 1 3B
LA 7R 15H 0E 5BB 6K 2 2B

Ari 58% strike
LA 65% strike

Ari 13% foul
LA 9% foul

Ari 30% swing/miss
LA 16% swing/miss

Notes: LA was hitting the ball hard, but way too many singles and not enough gappers (or HR's). My hitting felt pretty good. A few warning track shots and both XBH's were shots down the line.

LA didn't swing and miss very much, but hey, it's the Dodgers.
My complaint with the cpu offense is with all that power, they shouldn't have been singling me to death.

I'll say this... LA wasn't chasing breaking balls out of the zone, and they were much more aggressive in hitters count (which I love).

Another thing that opened my eyes was how organic the fielding felt. I use auto fielding, manual throwing, and with balls hit deep, I held my breath because OF'ers were having to make catches on the run etc. It felt/looked real nice.

Here are the sliders I used:

USER

CONTACT 8
POWER 5
TIMING 8
FOUL 5
SOLID HITS 8
SP STAM 6
RP STAM 6 (I LIKE IT MORE AT 5, BECAUSE A 27 STAMINA RP THREW 42 PITCHES FOR ME AND THAT'S TOO MANY)
PITCH CONTROL 5
PITCH CONSISTENCY 5

CPU

CONTACT 8
POWER 5
TIMING 8
FOUL 5
SOLID HITS 8
SP STAM 5
RP STAM 5
CONTROL 5
CONSISTENCY 5
STRIKE FREQ 5
HOOK 4 CPU MANAGER PULLED PITCHERS AT APPROPRIATE TIME IMO
PICKOFF 4 (TRYING TO MIMIC TODAY'S THROW-OVER RULES TO SOME EXTENT)

GLOBAL

FB PITCH SPD 6
OFFSPEED PITCH SPD 6
FIELD ERROR IF 4
FIELD ERROR OF 4 (OUTFIELD PLAY SAW MORE SUCCESSFUL DIVING ATTEMPTS THEN WHAT I USED TO SEE AT 5)
THROW ERRORS IF 6 (I HAD 1 THROWING ERROR FROM A POORLY RATED 2B WHO THREW FROM DEEP IN THE HOLE, SO THAT FELT RIGHT TO ME.
THROW ERRORS OF 6
FIELD RUN SPEED 3
FIELD REACTION 3
FIELD ARM STRENGTH IF 5
FIELD ARM STRENGTH OF 5
BASERUNNER SPEED 4
BASERUNNING STEAL ABILITY 9 (WE ALL KNOW WITH HOW POORLY MOST PLAYERS ARE RATED IN THIS CATEGORY THEY NEED HELP)
BASERUNNING STEAL FREQ 8 (TRYING TO MIMIC TODAY'S MLB WHERE RUNNERS ARE ATTEMPTING SB ALOT
WIND 5
INJURY 7
SIM INJURY 7
TRADE 2 (TILL JULY, THEN MOVE IT TO 3) I ALSO MOVE IT TO 3 DURING WINTER MEETINGS WEEK.

Well, there you have it. Maybe 7/5/7/5/7/ is slightly better than 8/5/8/5/8 for hitting? Hard to say w/o a larger sample size.

Let me know how it goes, if you give these a spin. I think you'll be happy with the fielding. Now if the engine would just give "us" just a slightly better 1B, 2B, 3B, HR ratio.

Dowie

With that being said I loved these sliders. I'm seeing amazing results. I did have to turn solid hits down to 5 because two games were like a home run derby. I'm talking 17 hits both teams and scores like 18-14 and 17-16 lol. It seemed like everybody and they momma can get a hit to the warning track.

[dowie]

Re: CPU Offensive is atrocious!

With that being said I loved these sliders. I'm seeing amazing results. I did have to turn solid hits down to 5 because two games were like a home run derby. I'm talking 17 hits both teams and scores like 18-14 and 17-16 lol. It seemed like everybody and they momma can get a hit to the warning track.

That's a good thing that we had radically different results.

Me nor the cpu could get XBH's to save our life.

Dodger Stadium may have had something to do with it. Where did you play your games at?

Dowie