Player Models, The Show 10 or 2K10?

[PLite14]

The player models in The Show seem to be the one thing many people want changed, saying such things as "the arms are too short, the shoulders are too wide, etc."

Seeing the first few photos of 2K10 today, I've seen a couple people say things like "the players look like inflatable balloons" and "the cleats and hats look plastic-like".

My take: I like the Show's models better. Even though I am a perfectionist, the 'issues' many people have posed don't seem that significant to me, and the Show's players just look better to me, especially with the new day lighting.

[SoxFan01605]

Re: Player Models, The Show 10 or 2K10?

It's simply a case of preference and what people focus on when they look at the players.

2Ks models are overall more proportionally accurate. Their legs, hands, and equipment (helmets, gloves, etc) are all too big, but the base frame is very good. Their faces are crap overall, and their uniforms (which once looked quite good, actually) now look glued to the body. The lighting can be suspect and animations take an overall solid frame and make it look awful at times.

The Show's models are very square shouldered (boxy, some might say) with shorter arms. There is little realistic distinction between the overall shape of the various body types (i.e. fat guys just tend to look wider...not necessarily fuller). This isn't terribly noticeable for most players, but if you are looking at stockier or heavier players, it certainly is. Edit a player...adding weight just makes the model widen...that's pretty much it.

That said, the equipment and uniforms for The Show look awesome, their lighting is excellent, and the faces are quite often so spot on it's scary...all of which make the proportions easier to forget (IMO). Also what helps make them overcome some of the proportional inconsistency in many people's eyes is that the animations (for the most part) are as silky smooth and fluid as it gets.

I prefer The Show's overall package for representing the players by a wide margin, but I do understand some people's gripes about them and how 2K's body frames are more proportionally correct. Hopefully soon enough it will all be moot, as The Show already has new models ready...they just need to be worked into the game (animations and all that stuff, from what they say...a big undertaking).

[Blzer]

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Honestly, I don't even think it's close. 2K's player models are in the representation of a person far more than The Show has offered for six years running now, going onto its seventh year. To be frank, of every major current-gen sports game in business right now in North America, it wouldn't be too difficult to suggest The Show may have the worst player models period.

Case in point, put The Show's player models with 2K's overall graphic engine, and you have yourself an ugly looking game.

All of this could change next year, though. They may end up having the best in the business.

[dorismary]

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Visually and movement wise I prefer The show hands down as I do full edits on gear .
IMO everything except some players heads are proportioned pretty well for me not perfect but they blend very well with the game and parks .
I will probably not be able to purchase MLB2k10 simply because of the players models look the same as 2k9 .
First I hate the when 2k uses the blurry washed out look with choppy animations then I cant stand the flat top batting helmets with puffy ear doughnut, then the rubber gloves and some how they brought back the large calves from 2k6 is a mystery and to me the faces look the same or worse on the two models shown in 2k player art article.
The sad part is they had excellent gear in 2k7 but im confident VC will keep adding on each year .
Things dont have to be perfect for me but when it looks wierd its wrecks my experience and seeing it each play would drive me nuts but thats just me.

[jim416]

Re: Player Models, The Show 10 or 2K10?

2k player models have just as many things wrong with them as The Show. As much as Pro Yakuu Spirits gets praised for "perfect" player models, take a look at the disjointed shoulders.

the 'issues' many people have posed don't seem that significant to me

It's personal preference and how much you can "tolerate", lol. I see nothing really wrong with any of the models, IN ALL THREE GAMES and to suggest that either game is the worst ever....I dunno.

The things we have to live with in a video gaming world, lol.

[Shinyhubcaps]

Re: Player Models, The Show 10 or 2K10?

I have not noticed anything wrong with the MLB The Show models ever, especially from the MLB 10 screens I've seen. MLB 2K10 uses lower-resolution textures, so it's difficult to even notice the redeeming points of the player models, but they look pretty short overall.

[Blzer]

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I have not noticed anything wrong with the MLB The Show models ever, especially from the MLB 10 screens I've seen. MLB 2K10 uses lower-resolution textures, so it's difficult to even notice the redeeming points of the player models, but they look pretty short overall.

This is what's wrong:







The upper body nowhere closely resembles a human being, especially when you take any other current-gen video game into account that attempts realism in their visuals. The shoulders are far out and separated, the arms are far too short, and there's something weird with the back too that I can't point out... it makes the body have a "boxy" feel to it because of the strange shape around the shoulder blades area kind of being flat, it's hard to explain.

Anyway, rest assured the difference will be significant when we get the new player models for The Show.

[500Feet]

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This is what's wrong:







... The shoulders are far out and separated, the arms are far too short...

I agree with you on the shoulders, but how long should the model's arms actually be ? In that picture above, the player's hands are halfway down his thigh. That's too short ?

[Blzer]

Re: Player Models, The Show 10 or 2K10?

I agree with you on the shoulders, but how long should the model's arms actually be ? In that picture above, the player's hands are halfway down his thigh. That's too short ?

Honestly only a couple more inches, but that makes all the difference in the world, especially with regard to animations.

Hopefully next year there will be new player models, and we shall just be relieved of all of this.

[500Feet]

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Honestly only a couple more inches, but that makes all the difference in the world, especially with regard to animations.

Hopefully next year there will be new player models, and we shall just be relieved of all of this.

I see.. and yea, once they change the player models, all the haters are gonna have to find a new gripe. I'm not sayin' you are, but people who hate on The Show usually mention the player models.

Personally, I think the player models look great, but I do think some of the player's shoulders are too squared and too wide.

[strawberryshortcake]

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Short version:
1. Preference: "Professional Baseball Spirit/2K's" player model.
2. Improved shoulder and arm length proportion in "The Show" would even the playing field.
3. Which player model is more anatomically correct?
4. Preference does not mean it's the "right" answer.

It's personal preference and how much you can "tolerate", lol. I see nothing really wrong with any of the models, IN ALL THREE GAMES and to suggest that either game is the worst ever....I dunno.

The things we have to live with in a video gaming world, lol.

Long version:
I will agree with basically everything you stated here, especially "personal preference" and "how much you can 'tolerate'." If it's not a distraction to the gamer when the game is played, then visually the player models should be fine to that specific gamer. ( Even though "THE SHOW" is my favorite game and THE game that got me back into gaming, I have a greater liking for 2K's and Professional Baseball Spirits player's model. THE SHOW has more realistic, life-like colors, but a notable distraction for me are the overly broad shoulders in "The Show," shoulder-pads-esque. )

I will add an additional $0.03 cents to the topic:

"Medically Anatomically Proportional."

The average human body is genetically built with certain proportions. An adult human skeletal bone structure, placement, and properties are roughly similar from one person to the next. Dictated by genetics.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, a trained athlete and an obese sedentary person has a different Body Mass Index (BMI). Muscle mass and fat distribution differs, BUT their overall body skeletal structure should be similar if they are both the same height. If they differ in height, the ratio should still be somewhat closely related.

Open forum question. Which series (The Show, Professional Baseball Spirits, or MLB2K) has the more "medically anatomically proportional" player model?

[dickey1331]

Re: Player Models, The Show 10 or 2K10?

None of them are "anatomically correct" or even close.

Short version:
1. Preference: "Professional Baseball Spirit/2K's" player model.
2. Improved shoulder and arm length proportion in "The Show" would even the playing field.
3. Which player model is more anatomically correct?
4. Preference does not mean it's the "right" answer.





Long version:
I will agree with basically everything you stated here, especially "personal preference" and "how much you can 'tolerate'." If it's not a distraction to the gamer when the game is played, then visually the player models should be fine to that specific gamer. ( Even though "THE SHOW" is my favorite game and THE game that got me back into gaming, I have a greater liking for 2K's and Professional Baseball Spirits player's model. THE SHOW has more realistic, life-like colors, but a notable distraction for me are the overly broad shoulders in "The Show," shoulder-pads-esque. )

I will add an additional $0.03 cents to the topic:

"Medically Anatomically Proportional."

The average human body is genetically built with certain proportions. An adult human skeletal bone structure, placement, and properties are roughly similar from one person to the next. Dictated by genetics.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, a trained athlete and an obese sedentary person has a different Body Mass Index (BMI). Muscle mass and fat distribution differs, BUT their overall body skeletal structure should be similar if they are both the same height. If they differ in height, the ratio should still be somewhat closely related.

Open forum question. Which series (The Show, Professional Baseball Spirits, or MLB2K) has the more "medically anatomically proportional" player model?

[EnigmaNemesis]

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The upper body nowhere closely resembles a human being

And human beings don't closely resemble a human beings then. We are not all mannequins and barbie dolls. We come in all shapes and sizes. And yes, I seen people look like that pic. Which I see nothing wrong with. But whatev.

All three have their pros and cons.

[Blzer]

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Someone posted a video showing pitching motions, but in the video you really see where The Show pokes its ugly head out (one of the only places though, really) in the player models area.


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[jim416]

Re: Player Models, The Show 10 or 2K10?

4. Preference does not mean it's the "right" answer.

It was the right answer, for me.

1. Preference: "Professional Baseball Spirit/2K's" player model.

Aren't you contradicting #4, with your #1 post? Your preference isn't right either, then is it, lol?

These games all have "problems" with their player models. I thought this has been known for some time, but.......continue.

Open forum question. Which series (The Show, Professional Baseball Spirits, or MLB2K) has the more "medically anatomically proportional" player model?

Are you going to make this a thread. And I'm serious. Just asking.

Side note: SCEA already had new player models, have worked on them the past two years. They just aren't prepared to put them in yet as they have to tie them in with the animations. There are actually guys working there who have B.A. and M.B.A. degrees who know quite a bit about anatomy.