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  • Pared
    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
    • Feb 2003
    • 39337

    #1

    Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

    Thought this would make an interesting thread. Since so many want to discuss both games, I figured we could start out on this area. Let's keep this respectful.

    Mind you I have only played the demo from 2k and the full game of The Show.

    With that said, I think anyone who has played multiple baseball games would say MLB 2k's pitching this year is easily the best implementation of right stick pitching they've ever used. The learning curve is high, but the reward is equally high. The mechanics are much better this year as opposed to previous iterations. In the past, a bad or failed motion would result in a meatball (pitch down the heart of the plate). Anyone who is familiar with baseball knows that players, when they miss, also miss outside the zone. This year, they do just that.



    The motions are similar to what you expect (back/forth fastball, up and outside your throwing arm for a 2 seamer, etc.) and the controller response to the motions are very smooth. You can't pinpoint pitches this year unless your ratings are high, and even then, nothing is guaranteed.

    In terms of The Show, "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" is the motto this year. SD Studios has addressed the complaints with the metered pitching and they have loosened up the accuracy a bit. You can't pinpoint your pitches and you WILL miss your spots. I find myself missing pitches right down the plate though a little too much for my tastes. And while this isn't 100% related to pitching, the improved catcher logic allows you to trust your teammate this year behind the plate and put one low near the dirt. This was certainly a much welcomed fix.



    Also with The Show, Classic Pitching is offered and seems to be a hit with those stuck on the mechanics refined in High Heat baseball. No longer are you confined to zones, and there is always the added bonus of there being less on the screen when you play, making the Outfield camera angle look a lot more like a television broadcast. Some people believe that this allows the pitchers to pitch "true to their ratings" although that can be argued against.

    In comparison, I really like 2k's approach this year. They seem to have taken what their previous development team implemented and almost perfected it. It's smooth, intuitive and really makes you feel like you're working for every pitch. This sort of involvement has added another layer of depth to the cat and mouse game between pitcher and batter. This is what baseball is mostly about, and to see companies keep expanding on this area is why we as gamers should love competition.

    What are your thoughts on each mechanic this year? I think we'll have some interesting feedback from those who have played both in some manner. Please keep your opinion constructive and respectful here.
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  • econoodle
    MVP
    • Sep 2009
    • 4884

    #2
    Re: Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

    wow, this is a good thread, u shoudl do the same thing with other aspects. i.e., presentation, hitting, fielding, etc. etc.
    well thought out man.
    bravo

    now, after the 2k demo tonight, i will chime back in here.

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    • slthree
      MVP
      • Sep 2003
      • 2529

      #3
      Re: Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

      Pared, that was a great comparison. I hope everyone learns from your write up that a thoughtful comparison can be made without resorting to low brow language.

      Thanks to you and Jackdog for allowing this kind of thread.

      I want badly to hear more about 2K from the more respected members because I am close to getting it.

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      • JoeRyan33
        It's RBIs or ribbies
        • Jan 2008
        • 1005

        #4
        Re: Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

        2K's pitching is much more refined that it was last year. It feels good to use, and there's a sense of satisfaction that comes with getting people out (all this should improve even more after the editing gets under way). The key element is the feeling of control over the outcome of the pitch. I've noticed that if I miss with the motion one way, the ball will end up over there, so if I'm going to miss with it I'll make the effort not to do so over the plate. It means you can miss and be successful. Like real baseball, it's about where you miss. The ball of the bat physics are pretty good too, which in turn makes pitching more enjoyable and adds realism to the encounter.

        I was a big fan of EA NCAA's "rock and fire" system, but I do like the different motions for different pitches in 2K10. It's refreshing.

        The Show's system of meter pitching has always been an annoyance when playing the game. I had hopes it would be gone this year and something else would replace it, but it wasn't to be. When pitching, I want to be focused on the catcher's glove, the strikezone and working the hitter. The meter takes your focus away from all of that while you complete a mini game hovering about the action.

        I've never used classic pitching much. The sole reason, it felt like it was a game of chance, that I had little control over the pitch,
        May 6, 1998: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 20 K

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        • Bahnzo
          Can't spell antetokounmpo
          • Jun 2003
          • 2809

          #5
          Re: Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

          I *really* like 2K's take on pitching with this years game. The only problem is that it still suffers from pinpoint accuracy. I had a chance to play it for a couple hours the other nite, and instantly I was hitting my spots time after time after time with no practice needed. If they could implement the "controlled randomness" that The Show's pitching model has, it would be a HUGE improvement into their gameplay.
          Steam: Bahnzo

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          • JoeRyan33
            It's RBIs or ribbies
            • Jan 2008
            • 1005

            #6
            Re: Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

            When you lose a game on "controlled randomness", you're going to be pretty pissed. If you lost $1,000,000 due to it, you'd be even more pissed.
            May 6, 1998: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 20 K

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            • econoodle
              MVP
              • Sep 2009
              • 4884

              #7
              Re: Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

              early thoughts on 2k's pitching after spinning the demo a few thousand times.

              -Its more immersible
              -Its ability to pinpoint pitches that in the show will just end up a crapshoot is a huge selling point for me.
              -I hope u can turn of the instant pitch result thing. Where it says 'wild pitch' before you even throw it.
              I dont like that.
              More thoughts to come.

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              • Vast
                MVP
                • Sep 2003
                • 4015

                #8
                Re: Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

                I've only played MLB 09 but i'm loving the 2k pitching this year. You can pretty much pinpoint fastballs but thats about it.

                There was one time where my pitcher was rattled and my ball icon to place the location of the pitch was shaking. It made it virtually impossible to paint the corners, which i thought was an excellent touch.

                With the exception of lacking a check swing, i'd say the pitcher batter gameplay in 2k10 is spectacular. I'm loving the camera options in both situations, i can finally earn some walks, and play with the strike zone off.
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                • KingV2k3
                  Senior Circuit
                  • May 2003
                  • 5881

                  #9
                  Re: Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

                  I love the Show's Classic pitching, because it (IMHO) makes the pitchers ratings a BIG part of the game...

                  You could get a very solid 6-7 innings with a starter and then blow it with a marginal middle reliever...

                  I always felt with the meter I could make Farnsworth pitch like Greinke, because of user meter skill...

                  Anyway, I haven't played 2k baseball so:

                  1) I assume there is no equivelent to classic...

                  2) Could someone explain exactly how 2k's right stick pitching works?

                  I tried to figure it out by looking at various clips on YouTube, to no avail...

                  Thanks!

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                  • econoodle
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 4884

                    #10
                    Re: Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

                    2k when i want toe get deep and dirty and think and focus on the pitcher/batter duel.

                    the show when i want to not think so much lol

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                    • Pared
                      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 39337

                      #11
                      Re: Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

                      Originally posted by dhlord64
                      Hands down 2k's pitching is much more fun. I have only played the demo but it is amazing. I just want the ball to move faster though. The Show's pitching meter is EXTREMELY random and annoying. The meter is not fluid like MVP's. It is no fun either. MVP baseball did the pitching meter right.

                      Going with 2k10 for PC this year instead of the Show.
                      Funny, most sim enthusiasts felt MVP's meter was too exact and allowed pinpoint accuracy. Hell, we spent years trying to get it like The Show's meter is now through datafiles and other edits.
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                      • baseball66
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 1505

                        #12
                        Re: Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

                        Originally posted by KingV2k3
                        I love the Show's Classic pitching, because it (IMHO) makes the pitchers ratings a BIG part of the game...

                        You could get a very solid 6-7 innings with a starter and then blow it with a marginal middle reliever...

                        I always felt with the meter I could make Farnsworth pitch like Greinke, because of user meter skill...

                        Anyway, I haven't played 2k baseball so:

                        1) I assume there is no equivelent to classic...

                        2) Could someone explain exactly how 2k's right stick pitching works?

                        I tried to figure it out by looking at various clips on YouTube, to no avail...

                        Thanks!
                        Yes 2k has classic pitching. I tried it out in the demo, now there is some pinpoint pitching for you.

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                        • KingV2k3
                          Senior Circuit
                          • May 2003
                          • 5881

                          #13
                          Re: Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

                          Originally posted by baseball66
                          Yes 2k has classic pitching. I tried it out in the demo, now there is some pinpoint pitching for you.
                          Thanks!

                          How does the right stick pitching work?

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                          • Tomba
                            TOMBA IS ONLINE
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 8908

                            #14
                            Re: Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

                            2k10 classic pitching for me!

                            10's is just bland...
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                            • econoodle
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 4884

                              #15
                              Re: Pitching - MLB 2K10 vs. The Show

                              Originally posted by KingV2k3
                              I love the Show's Classic pitching, because it (IMHO) makes the pitchers ratings a BIG part of the game...

                              You could get a very solid 6-7 innings with a starter and then blow it with a marginal middle reliever...

                              I always felt with the meter I could make Farnsworth pitch like Greinke, because of user meter skill...

                              Anyway, I haven't played 2k baseball so:

                              1) I assume there is no equivelent to classic...

                              2) Could someone explain exactly how 2k's right stick pitching works?

                              I tried to figure it out by looking at various clips on YouTube, to no avail...

                              Thanks!

                              that sa really good point
                              i wish i thought of it lol

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