Reasons why MVP was a very bad series

[Phoenixmgs]

The pitching and hitting were horrible:

Hitting: The batting system was horrible. All you had to do was press the left analog stick left or right (for a pitch inside or outside) since up and down influence a fly ball or grounder (it made no sense to try to have the left stick do everything). The system took pretty much 0 skill because you just had to time the pitch and determine if it would be on the inside half or outside half of the plate. In order to get realistic stats, the game HAD to have hits almost purely determined on batter attributes because user input was exceeding easy and simple. Your actions had very little say if you got a hit or not.

Pitching: Maybe on the PC, a mod may have made pitching somewhat challenging. However, on the consoles, it was extremely easy to pinpoint pitches.

I really don't see why MVP is even considered to be the best baseball game ever or even top 10. A good baseball game needs to have a balance of player attributes vs. user input. Batting was skewed greatly towards player attributes, and pitching was pretty much solely based on user input. MVP failed greatly to achieve this very important balance.

Fielding was pretty good but that was it.

[cubsfan203]

Re: Reasons why MVP was a very bad series

Please name 10 baseball games better than MVP 05 based on your criteria.

Compared to any other game before and up until 2 years after the game came out, it was the best baseball game around.

[simgamer0005]

Re: Reasons why MVP was a very bad series

Please name 10 baseball games better than MVP 05 based on your criteria.

Compared to any other game before and up until 2 years after the game came out, it was the best baseball game around.

1. Pro Yakyuu Spirits 4
2. Pro Yakyuu Spirits 5
3. Pro Yakyuu Spirits 5 Kanzenban
4. Pro Yakyuu Spirits 6
5. Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2010
6. MVP NCAA Baseball 06
7. MVP NCAA Baseball 07
8. Baseball Stars
9. Baseball Stars 2
10. High Heat Baseball 2004

[bkrich83]

Re: Reasons why MVP was a very bad series

Please name 10 baseball games better than MVP 05 based on your criteria.

Compared to any other game before and up until 2 years after the game came out, it was the best baseball game around.

Don't know about 10. Not sure what was around before it. Personally I find MVP to be vastly overrated. Imo, the HH series trounced it.,

[Fullgatsu]

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I would agree that MVP 05 was overrated but then again I also think The Show is overrated. The MVP series had a horrible pitching system and the batting wasn't that great either, the thing I liked about it was the fielding system which was a thing of beauty and the MVP series also had rather nice animations.

If games like The Show get the praise Best Baseball Game then I can see why MVP also gets so high praise, I found them both very lacking but people don't seem to agree with me.

[daflyboys]

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1. Pro Yakyuu Spirits 4
2. Pro Yakyuu Spirits 5
3. Pro Yakyuu Spirits 5 Kanzenban
4. Pro Yakyuu Spirits 6
5. Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2010
6. MVP NCAA Baseball 06
7. MVP NCAA Baseball 07
8. Baseball Stars
9. Baseball Stars 2
10. High Heat Baseball 2004

Pro Yak ---- let me know when the English/MLB versions come out

NCAA ---- horrible bat animations. Taking leads only done en masse. Can't move in the box. No MLB

Baseball Stars ---- you're saying THIS is better than MVP?! THIS??!!
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High Heat --- butt awful animations. Pressing a button to say what type of pitch and then if it should be a ball or strike? That's a better pitching system?

[The Chef]

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I didnt find MVP '05 a great game by itself but once you started dabbing with the mods for it thats when it became amazing for me personally. In terms of the hitting system, while it wasnt difficult, it was pretty damn close to what is being used in The Show now. I dont even have to move the left stick to hit on The Show so if the hitting was bad in MVP then I would like to know what your thoughts are on the hitting in The Show.

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: Reasons why MVP was a very bad series

Please name 10 baseball games better than MVP 05 based on your criteria.

Compared to any other game before and up until 2 years after the game came out, it was the best baseball game around.

I think the following games were better than MVP in their time. I really don't see how anyone can objectively give MVP higher than a 6 because the hitting and pitching systems were severely flawed for their time when High Heat was doing hitting and pitching better. Baseball games have come a long way, but I remember loving these games (no order really):

- Baseball Stars
- Super Baseball Simulator 1.000
- Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball (2nd base wasn't scoring position though)
- Bases Loaded
- RBI Baseball
- MLBPA Baseball
- Tommy Lasorda Baseball
- High Heat series
- MLB 06: The Show and onward (MLB 06 w/o The Show at the end was complete garbage, I actually returned the game it was so bad)

High Heat --- butt awful animations. Pressing a button to say what type of pitch and then if it should be a ball or strike? That's a better pitching system?

High Heat's pitching system was the direct opposite of MVP's system, pitching was solely determined by pitcher attributes. At least HH's system was more realistic than MVP.

I didnt find MVP '05 a great game by itself but once you started dabbing with the mods for it thats when it became amazing for me personally. In terms of the hitting system, while it wasnt difficult, it was pretty damn close to what is being used in The Show now. I dont even have to move the left stick to hit on The Show so if the hitting was bad in MVP then I would like to know what your thoughts are on the hitting in The Show.

IMO, The Show has the 2nd best hitting system, HH's was/is the best. MVP wanted to use the left stick for everything, which doesn't make any damn sense. The left stick should be used for swing location like in HH and The Show. In MVP, you only had to locate horizontally because up and down influenced the hit type only.

I play on Legend in The Show and you have to move the left stick to hit well. The issue I have with The Show has to deal with how the batter's power attribute is the main attribute that affects batting average for user hitting. A player with high power/low contact will hit better than a high contact/low power guy. And, hitting in The Show has always been and still is just too easy. The game doesn't punish you enough for poor stick placement.



In my opinion, no game has fully been able to reach a good balance between user skill and player attributes in BOTH hitting and pitching. HH did a great job with hitting but the pitching was all based on pitcher attributes. The Show does a good with hitting (pretty close to getting it but I don't think the Devs will rework hitting anytime soon). Both pitching interfaces in The Show fail at giving you a balance of user skill and pitcher attributes. The meter is far too based off user skill and it's far too easy to locate, and classic is purely based off pitcher attributes (pretty much HH's system but a bit better). And, in The Show, player confidence plays far too great a role. When you're hot, you don't even have to swing well to get a hit. When you're cold, it doesn't matter how well you swing because you're still going to make an out. Same thing goes for pitching. Lastly, MLB 10 is the 4th game on the PS3 and they haven't even gotten online leagues in working order, just really sad IMO.

As you can see, I don't love The Show or really any particular baseball game, I would like to try out the Japanese game though. I think I'm looking at The Show, HH, and MVP very objectively.

[Fullgatsu]

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The thing I really hate with The Show and MVP is their batting system which you bat with a strikezone instead of doing like PYS and Pawapuro which use a cursor system.

MVP pitching system is very flawed and that should be proven when your knuckleball have pinpoint control now I don't know if the mods for the PC improved it but in its original state it wasn't very good.

The Show actually have a decent pitching system but sometimes feel very attributes controlled and this seem to have increased in recent years.

Now I'm not fond of either of these games and much rather play PYS which I think is the best game on the market and while it don't have MLB if that's the only complaint it must be a pretty good game.

[slickdtc]

Re: Reasons why MVP was a very bad series

In its time, MVP Baseball 2005 was great.

Yes, looking back, it was very easy and not very realistic. But at least it was very fun. Other games released before and around its time did not stack up.

People didn't just go out and annoint MVP Baseball 2005 the best just because. There's a reason most people really enjoyed it.

Fielding really was excellent and I can't believe, 5 years later, we still haven't seen any games come close. I play MLB The Show with fielding set to Automatic (still make throws, just don't control the fielders when the ball is in play) because it's just not fluid enough. I either am defaulted to a completely irrelevant player or simply do not have enough time to react to a ball put into play.

[dickey1331]

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I loved MVP 05. Yes it was easy but it also had a good franchise and even had single A teams. Its my 2nd fav behind the Show.

[Phoenixmgs]

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In its time, MVP Baseball 2005 was great.

But it wasn't. High Heat did batting and pitching better. The only things MVP did good were fielding and graphics.

[daflyboys]

Re: Reasons why MVP was a very bad series

High Heat's pitching system was the direct opposite of MVP's system, pitching was solely determined by pitcher attributes. At least HH's system was more realistic than MVP.

So you press a button to pick a pitch type, press a button to throw a ball or strike, then let the cpu do that for you and that's more realistic than the effort I have to put in to pitch a ball or strike? Not following that logic.

[Phoenixmgs]

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So you press a button to pick a pitch type, press a button to throw a ball or strike, then let the cpu do that for you and that's more realistic than the effort I have to put in to pitch a ball or strike? Not following that logic.

Both HH & MVP had bad pitching systems but at least you'd get realistic pitching STATS in HH, I wasn't trying to say HH's pitching interface was realistic. In MVP, I could pitch good with anyone on the highest difficultly.

[raidersbball20]

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I agree the pitching was a little easy but its better than a lot of other games. Also I disagree with saying the hitting was bad I think for hitting it was one of the best games of all time. And even if the gameplay had some flaws you have to thing about owner mode. Owner mode is one of the best game modes of all time and is by far the funnest and most challenging modes I've ever played