ESPN VS MVP

**devilsjaw** · 02-23-2004, 10:47 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

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MuffinMcFluffin said:
I love the idea... probably the best idea since franchise mode, maybe even better (because of the inclusion of Team Chemistry aswell). HOWEVER, if it's the same game (no new engine or whatever) with poorly rated players, it still has the major league feel. It's hard to explain, I posted it somewhere else too (not on this forum) that's a lot more in depth. I mean, I understand that people love the feature, but when they say it adds to gameplay, well, that's only that you can see how they're doing physically, and that's it. There are no other gameplay elements involved in it. Maybe they will use a new engine for it next year, and that would be AWESOME!

Like I said, possibly the best idea since franchise mode!

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I don't think I completely understand what you're trying to say Muffin.

Are you talking about the minors feature or the team chemistry feature?

**mjb2124** · 02-23-2004, 10:48 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

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ps2baseball said:
MLB...

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Actually MLB is looking pretty good right now. Maybe not as flashy as some of the other games, but it really looks a lot like HH and if it plays like HH, then I think it'll be one heck of a game.

I'd get it, but I don't have a PS2 anymore.

**mjb2124** · 02-23-2004, 10:48 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

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ps2baseball said:
MLB...

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Actually MLB is looking pretty good right now. Maybe not as flashy as some of the other games, but it really looks a lot like HH and if it plays like HH, then I think it'll be one heck of a game.

I'd get it, but I don't have a PS2 anymore.

**mjb2124** · 02-23-2004, 10:48 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

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ps2baseball said:
MLB...

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Actually MLB is looking pretty good right now. Maybe not as flashy as some of the other games, but it really looks a lot like HH and if it plays like HH, then I think it'll be one heck of a game.

I'd get it, but I don't have a PS2 anymore.

**MuffinMcFluffin** · 02-23-2004, 10:50 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

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devilsjaw said:
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MuffinMcFluffin said:
I love the idea... probably the best idea since franchise mode, maybe even better (because of the inclusion of Team Chemistry aswell). HOWEVER, if it's the same game (no new engine or whatever) with poorly rated players, it still has the major league feel. It's hard to explain, I posted it somewhere else too (not on this forum) that's a lot more in depth. I mean, I understand that people love the feature, but when they say it adds to gameplay, well, that's only that you can see how they're doing physically, and that's it. There are no other gameplay elements involved in it. Maybe they will use a new engine for it next year, and that would be AWESOME!

Like I said, possibly the best idea since franchise mode!

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I don't think I completely understand what you're trying to say Muffin.

Are you talking about the minors feature or the team chemistry feature?

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Minors.

**MuffinMcFluffin** · 02-23-2004, 10:50 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
devilsjaw said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
MuffinMcFluffin said:
I love the idea... probably the best idea since franchise mode, maybe even better (because of the inclusion of Team Chemistry aswell). HOWEVER, if it's the same game (no new engine or whatever) with poorly rated players, it still has the major league feel. It's hard to explain, I posted it somewhere else too (not on this forum) that's a lot more in depth. I mean, I understand that people love the feature, but when they say it adds to gameplay, well, that's only that you can see how they're doing physically, and that's it. There are no other gameplay elements involved in it. Maybe they will use a new engine for it next year, and that would be AWESOME!

Like I said, possibly the best idea since franchise mode!

<hr /></blockquote>

I don't think I completely understand what you're trying to say Muffin.

Are you talking about the minors feature or the team chemistry feature?

<hr /></blockquote>

Minors.

**MuffinMcFluffin** · 02-23-2004, 10:50 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
devilsjaw said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
MuffinMcFluffin said:
I love the idea... probably the best idea since franchise mode, maybe even better (because of the inclusion of Team Chemistry aswell). HOWEVER, if it's the same game (no new engine or whatever) with poorly rated players, it still has the major league feel. It's hard to explain, I posted it somewhere else too (not on this forum) that's a lot more in depth. I mean, I understand that people love the feature, but when they say it adds to gameplay, well, that's only that you can see how they're doing physically, and that's it. There are no other gameplay elements involved in it. Maybe they will use a new engine for it next year, and that would be AWESOME!

Like I said, possibly the best idea since franchise mode!

<hr /></blockquote>

I don't think I completely understand what you're trying to say Muffin.

Are you talking about the minors feature or the team chemistry feature?

<hr /></blockquote>

Minors.

**GTheorenHobbes** · 02-23-2004, 10:53 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

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ps2baseball said:
MLB...

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No offense ps2baseball, but this may be the most ignorant post I've read this year. You really should venture outside the EA forum every once in awhile. Might do ya a little bit of good.

Actually, on second thought, why don't ya stay here all season.

**GTheorenHobbes** · 02-23-2004, 10:53 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

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ps2baseball said:
MLB...

<hr /></blockquote>

No offense ps2baseball, but this may be the most ignorant post I've read this year. You really should venture outside the EA forum every once in awhile. Might do ya a little bit of good.

Actually, on second thought, why don't ya stay here all season.

**GTheorenHobbes** · 02-23-2004, 10:53 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

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ps2baseball said:
MLB...

<hr /></blockquote>

No offense ps2baseball, but this may be the most ignorant post I've read this year. You really should venture outside the EA forum every once in awhile. Might do ya a little bit of good.

Actually, on second thought, why don't ya stay here all season.

**MuffinMcFluffin** · 02-23-2004, 10:53 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

Here were my three posts concerning it... you can agree or disagree with them, I really don't care, because I have no intention of arguing with you, it just wastes my time:

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MuffinMcFluffin said:
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cappadocian said:
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ghm125 said:
you know what they need to do is focus more on the gameplay of the game instead of some more gimmicks....(FP)

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I'm totally in favor of this

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Then how is minor leagues not a gimmick? It doesn't improve gameplay, that's for sure.

In my mind, minor leagues in MVP is a gimmick. It's not the idea behind it, but it's the way they implemented it. It's built on the same engine, with the same gameplay, same kinds of music, animations, sounds (crowd and commentary), etc.

In my mind, the way that they made it was they had poorly rated people with different jerseys and stadiums, nothing else. You see, when a minor league batter faces a minor league pitcher, he won't be bad and strikeout and such, he may still bomb it 410 feet. EA didn't implement it some sort of way where they would be good against minor league pitchers, but worse against the pro pitchers. There is no engine that they created to base it on that. Also, it would be much better with different commentators, styles of cutscenes and broadcast, crowd heckles and chants, etc. I'm not really for the way that they did it... I like it because of the Team Chemistry that goes along with it though.

As for First Person Mode, it's a new engine based on the same game. You are down on the field, see what they see, and hear what they hear, etc. Hard to explain, though.

What I'm saying is that you really can't call First Person Mode a gimmick lacking gameplay enhancements without saying that minor leagues a gimmick lacking gameplay enhancements. It's too hard to be hypocritical about.

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MuffinMcFluffin said:
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jyd28 said:
Muffin...don't drop to the lowest denomenator. Someone calling FPM a gimmick is no worse than what you just said about MVP. Both statements are untrue.

FPM can give fans a perspective they've never seen before. That is always welcome.

Playable minor leagues allow fans to actually scout their prospects hands-on. A great feature.

<hr /></blockquote>

Yes, true, but everything that I say has a reason. Nobody else seems to say anything backing up their statements. Nobody knows their "why"... without reason, it is just... lackluster... pointless.

There are no new gameplay elements in minor league play... not even Team Chemistry... it is also in the Pro section of this game. There are no different animations for minor leagues, no different kinds of crowd levels, etc. It's the pro game with poorly rated players, that's my SHORT take on it. Like I said, the idea was GRAND, but it needs to be built on a new engine ala ESPN Baseball to get the new gameplay in it.

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MuffinMcFluffin said:
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jyd28 said:
You seem to be focussing on the negative here....Doesn't the idea of going down to the minors to play a few games with a prospect sound AMAZING to you?

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Wow... you DON'T read my posts:

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Like I said, the idea was GRAND

<hr /></blockquote>

And also, I'm not focusing on negatives, I'm focusing on MVP 2004's Pro-style gameplay, and that's exactly how the minor league games are, but with poorly rated players. No different feeling, just different unis and stadiums.

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**MuffinMcFluffin** · 02-23-2004, 10:53 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

Here were my three posts concerning it... you can agree or disagree with them, I really don't care, because I have no intention of arguing with you, it just wastes my time:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
MuffinMcFluffin said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
cappadocian said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ghm125 said:
you know what they need to do is focus more on the gameplay of the game instead of some more gimmicks....(FP)

<hr /></blockquote>

I'm totally in favor of this

<hr /></blockquote>

Then how is minor leagues not a gimmick? It doesn't improve gameplay, that's for sure.

In my mind, minor leagues in MVP is a gimmick. It's not the idea behind it, but it's the way they implemented it. It's built on the same engine, with the same gameplay, same kinds of music, animations, sounds (crowd and commentary), etc.

In my mind, the way that they made it was they had poorly rated people with different jerseys and stadiums, nothing else. You see, when a minor league batter faces a minor league pitcher, he won't be bad and strikeout and such, he may still bomb it 410 feet. EA didn't implement it some sort of way where they would be good against minor league pitchers, but worse against the pro pitchers. There is no engine that they created to base it on that. Also, it would be much better with different commentators, styles of cutscenes and broadcast, crowd heckles and chants, etc. I'm not really for the way that they did it... I like it because of the Team Chemistry that goes along with it though.

As for First Person Mode, it's a new engine based on the same game. You are down on the field, see what they see, and hear what they hear, etc. Hard to explain, though.

What I'm saying is that you really can't call First Person Mode a gimmick lacking gameplay enhancements without saying that minor leagues a gimmick lacking gameplay enhancements. It's too hard to be hypocritical about.

<hr /></blockquote>

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MuffinMcFluffin said:
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jyd28 said:
Muffin...don't drop to the lowest denomenator. Someone calling FPM a gimmick is no worse than what you just said about MVP. Both statements are untrue.

FPM can give fans a perspective they've never seen before. That is always welcome.

Playable minor leagues allow fans to actually scout their prospects hands-on. A great feature.

<hr /></blockquote>

Yes, true, but everything that I say has a reason. Nobody else seems to say anything backing up their statements. Nobody knows their "why"... without reason, it is just... lackluster... pointless.

There are no new gameplay elements in minor league play... not even Team Chemistry... it is also in the Pro section of this game. There are no different animations for minor leagues, no different kinds of crowd levels, etc. It's the pro game with poorly rated players, that's my SHORT take on it. Like I said, the idea was GRAND, but it needs to be built on a new engine ala ESPN Baseball to get the new gameplay in it.

<hr /></blockquote>

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MuffinMcFluffin said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
jyd28 said:
You seem to be focussing on the negative here....Doesn't the idea of going down to the minors to play a few games with a prospect sound AMAZING to you?

<hr /></blockquote>

Wow... you DON'T read my posts:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Like I said, the idea was GRAND

<hr /></blockquote>

And also, I'm not focusing on negatives, I'm focusing on MVP 2004's Pro-style gameplay, and that's exactly how the minor league games are, but with poorly rated players. No different feeling, just different unis and stadiums.

<hr /></blockquote>

**MuffinMcFluffin** · 02-23-2004, 10:53 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

Here were my three posts concerning it... you can agree or disagree with them, I really don't care, because I have no intention of arguing with you, it just wastes my time:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
MuffinMcFluffin said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
cappadocian said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ghm125 said:
you know what they need to do is focus more on the gameplay of the game instead of some more gimmicks....(FP)

<hr /></blockquote>

I'm totally in favor of this

<hr /></blockquote>

Then how is minor leagues not a gimmick? It doesn't improve gameplay, that's for sure.

In my mind, minor leagues in MVP is a gimmick. It's not the idea behind it, but it's the way they implemented it. It's built on the same engine, with the same gameplay, same kinds of music, animations, sounds (crowd and commentary), etc.

In my mind, the way that they made it was they had poorly rated people with different jerseys and stadiums, nothing else. You see, when a minor league batter faces a minor league pitcher, he won't be bad and strikeout and such, he may still bomb it 410 feet. EA didn't implement it some sort of way where they would be good against minor league pitchers, but worse against the pro pitchers. There is no engine that they created to base it on that. Also, it would be much better with different commentators, styles of cutscenes and broadcast, crowd heckles and chants, etc. I'm not really for the way that they did it... I like it because of the Team Chemistry that goes along with it though.

As for First Person Mode, it's a new engine based on the same game. You are down on the field, see what they see, and hear what they hear, etc. Hard to explain, though.

What I'm saying is that you really can't call First Person Mode a gimmick lacking gameplay enhancements without saying that minor leagues a gimmick lacking gameplay enhancements. It's too hard to be hypocritical about.

<hr /></blockquote>

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MuffinMcFluffin said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
jyd28 said:
Muffin...don't drop to the lowest denomenator. Someone calling FPM a gimmick is no worse than what you just said about MVP. Both statements are untrue.

FPM can give fans a perspective they've never seen before. That is always welcome.

Playable minor leagues allow fans to actually scout their prospects hands-on. A great feature.

<hr /></blockquote>

Yes, true, but everything that I say has a reason. Nobody else seems to say anything backing up their statements. Nobody knows their "why"... without reason, it is just... lackluster... pointless.

There are no new gameplay elements in minor league play... not even Team Chemistry... it is also in the Pro section of this game. There are no different animations for minor leagues, no different kinds of crowd levels, etc. It's the pro game with poorly rated players, that's my SHORT take on it. Like I said, the idea was GRAND, but it needs to be built on a new engine ala ESPN Baseball to get the new gameplay in it.

<hr /></blockquote>

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
MuffinMcFluffin said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
jyd28 said:
You seem to be focussing on the negative here....Doesn't the idea of going down to the minors to play a few games with a prospect sound AMAZING to you?

<hr /></blockquote>

Wow... you DON'T read my posts:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Like I said, the idea was GRAND

<hr /></blockquote>

And also, I'm not focusing on negatives, I'm focusing on MVP 2004's Pro-style gameplay, and that's exactly how the minor league games are, but with poorly rated players. No different feeling, just different unis and stadiums.

<hr /></blockquote>

**PatsFan** · 02-23-2004, 10:56 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

To say there's nothing coming out about ESPN is a complete load of BS. THERE'S A DEMO OUT! Go play it. The problem appears to be that the game hasn't really changed much since last year's game, which was an OK game, but it was clear that EA intended to destroy it, and by the sounds of it, they have with this year's game. We shall soon see. Regardless, I'm getting both on Xbox to play both in 720P, ESPN for online play, and MVP for off.

**PatsFan** · 02-23-2004, 10:56 PM

Re: ESPN VS MVP

To say there's nothing coming out about ESPN is a complete load of BS. THERE'S A DEMO OUT! Go play it. The problem appears to be that the game hasn't really changed much since last year's game, which was an OK game, but it was clear that EA intended to destroy it, and by the sounds of it, they have with this year's game. We shall soon see. Regardless, I'm getting both on Xbox to play both in 720P, ESPN for online play, and MVP for off.

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