The First Round-Up is Out

**GTheorenHobbes** · 03-12-2004, 10:00 AM

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My point is not about 'bribing'. My point is press junkets have a subconcious effect on reviewers and writers if they think that or not. Major sites like Gamespot won't allow any staff writersto attentd these type of events events, instead the senior people go and enjoy the free schwag.

Have you ever got into a fight with your girlfriend on the way to seeing some hit new comedy and when you come out of the movie you didn't think it was that funny. But if you had gone to the same movie laughing it up before hand over dinner then the movie seems that much better? That is the subconcious effect that occures when writers are 'wined and dined' by publishers.

I was merly implying that OS may have been a little overly happy when reviewing MVP. As a 'sports gaming authority' I find it a little ironic that the 93 they gave MVP currently outranks all other scores at gamerankings - including IGN and other sites that are notorious for handing out overly high scores. I mean, if the guys at IGN don't see the graphics, animation and all the other stuff as making this game a 93 then what else did OS see in it? From everything I read, if MVP made some mistakes it is with the fundamentals and the AI...the two exact things I would think a 'sports gaming authority' would critique the hardest.

Maybe not, maybe the OS guys just saw a ton of minut spot on baseball details that the other sites didn't pick up on. Who knows and who cares? I guess I just would like to see all the games get a fair shake - that is the reason I started coming to this site. To avoid overhyped sports games and reviewed dished out only on how fun a sports game is without ever taking accuracy into account.

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I hate to bash EA, and I certainly would never bash OS. I can remember the days of having to get info on the new baseball/football/hockey games once a month from the new magazines. But I agree with IninO, in that I would just like to see all the games get a fair shake...especially here at OS. A lot of the same guys who find MVP's batting to be "challenging" were on ASB's boards last year saying it was "too hard to hit."

The reviews I've seen of MVP have not necessarily ignored some of MVP's flaws and bugs, just severely downplayed them. "Yeah, guys warm up in the 4th inning for no apparent reason, but it's not a big deal to me." "Yeah, the game has a cartoony look to it, but the animations and replays are fantastic." "So half of the players in MVP have generic batting stances and player faces that look nothing like the real players. So what. I can always go in and edit their stances if I don't like them." Everyone's entitled to their opinion, of course. It just can be a little frustrating seeing some of the same guys give EA/MVP some breaks that they don't also give to other games. Twenty years of playing videogames has taught me that this leads to good game companies going out of business. And the last time that happened, EA decided to take a few years off. (See Triple Play 96-2002). I don't want to see that happen again.

**bkrich83** · 03-12-2004, 10:03 AM

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But I agree with IninO, in that I would just like to see all the games get a fair shake...especially here at OS. A lot of the same guys who find MVP's batting to be "challenging" were on ASB's boards last year saying it was "too hard to hit."

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What makes you think all of the games won't get a fair shake?

**bkrich83** · 03-12-2004, 10:03 AM

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But I agree with IninO, in that I would just like to see all the games get a fair shake...especially here at OS. A lot of the same guys who find MVP's batting to be "challenging" were on ASB's boards last year saying it was "too hard to hit."

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What makes you think all of the games won't get a fair shake?

**bkrich83** · 03-12-2004, 10:03 AM

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But I agree with IninO, in that I would just like to see all the games get a fair shake...especially here at OS. A lot of the same guys who find MVP's batting to be "challenging" were on ASB's boards last year saying it was "too hard to hit."

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What makes you think all of the games won't get a fair shake?

**HairyBeanbag** · 03-12-2004, 10:37 AM

Re: The First Round-Up is Out

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Better yet, maybe you guys at Acclaim are going about this game thing all wrong. I think maybe instead of listening to fans, and pouring your time and love into making the best game you can you should just fly the OS crew out to the Acclaim Ranch for a big BBQ with open bar and lots of schwag. Let them play around with the ASB 2006 prebuild for a few and who knows - next year maybe you guys will get the 93.

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So what is your point here?

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I don't think you can deny that press junkets and free trips go a long ways towards a review. Think about it. Joe Blow from some unknown website or magazine is sitting in his home-office one day when the phone rings... it's a representative from EA, saying that they are going to pay his way out to Vancouver, put him up in a nice hotel, wine him and dine him, show him the game before anyone else, and then fly him home so he can write up his game preview. They shower him with free t-shirts, nights out on the town, tours of their facility, and lots of attention. When Joe Blow gets home, he has one thought in his mind... that was the greatest trip I've ever gone on! Then, as he's thinking about his review, thoughts of next year start creeping into his head... I sure would like to go back and get all that free stuff and the jealous reactions from all my friends when I tell them about my trip... I mean, EA really made me feel like a big-shot. Whether they really liked the game or not, they are going to put themselves first and make sure that they are considered next spring when EA is opening up its pocketbooks and giving out the free trips. The reviewer may try to be sincere, but trips like that have a way of seeping into the subconcious. Next thing you know you've got reviews that proclaim a second-year game as the best baseball franchise of all time. They don't focus on a single bug or call out a single mistake. They call out the competition before ever playing a single game and say "I wish you could be more like MVP" when in reality they are saying "I wish you had treated me the way EA did".

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Funny thing is, we consistantly gave the HH scores in the low 90's also, even with all it's warts. Bottomline, at least for the reviewer, was the core gameplay was very very good, and the niggling issues there were didn't bring the gameplay down. Even back then, the one who really complained most about the review was an ASB fan, (who actually happened to be an Acclaim employee on the ASB dev. team, incognito.)

I also don't remember in the review where Shawn called out the competition. But unlike what you have stated, he has played all of the of the other games, with the exception of ASB I believe.

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I never said anything about Shawn, I was simply stating the fact that if you think free trips and stuff don't equal higher review scores you are kidding yourself. We aren't dealing with graduates of the Edward R. Murrow Journalism School here... we're talking about people who review games, and I doubt that journalism ethics are talked about much in the halls of the official Xbox magazine when they have amazing trips to Vancouver to recount to all of their friends. I wasn't talking about High Heat and their sponsored trips for the press to take batting practice on the Giants' field either, but thanks for reminding me.

**HairyBeanbag** · 03-12-2004, 10:37 AM

Re: The First Round-Up is Out

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bkrich83 said:
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HairyBeanbag said:
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bkrich83 said:
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Better yet, maybe you guys at Acclaim are going about this game thing all wrong. I think maybe instead of listening to fans, and pouring your time and love into making the best game you can you should just fly the OS crew out to the Acclaim Ranch for a big BBQ with open bar and lots of schwag. Let them play around with the ASB 2006 prebuild for a few and who knows - next year maybe you guys will get the 93.

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So what is your point here?

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I don't think you can deny that press junkets and free trips go a long ways towards a review. Think about it. Joe Blow from some unknown website or magazine is sitting in his home-office one day when the phone rings... it's a representative from EA, saying that they are going to pay his way out to Vancouver, put him up in a nice hotel, wine him and dine him, show him the game before anyone else, and then fly him home so he can write up his game preview. They shower him with free t-shirts, nights out on the town, tours of their facility, and lots of attention. When Joe Blow gets home, he has one thought in his mind... that was the greatest trip I've ever gone on! Then, as he's thinking about his review, thoughts of next year start creeping into his head... I sure would like to go back and get all that free stuff and the jealous reactions from all my friends when I tell them about my trip... I mean, EA really made me feel like a big-shot. Whether they really liked the game or not, they are going to put themselves first and make sure that they are considered next spring when EA is opening up its pocketbooks and giving out the free trips. The reviewer may try to be sincere, but trips like that have a way of seeping into the subconcious. Next thing you know you've got reviews that proclaim a second-year game as the best baseball franchise of all time. They don't focus on a single bug or call out a single mistake. They call out the competition before ever playing a single game and say "I wish you could be more like MVP" when in reality they are saying "I wish you had treated me the way EA did".

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Funny thing is, we consistantly gave the HH scores in the low 90's also, even with all it's warts. Bottomline, at least for the reviewer, was the core gameplay was very very good, and the niggling issues there were didn't bring the gameplay down. Even back then, the one who really complained most about the review was an ASB fan, (who actually happened to be an Acclaim employee on the ASB dev. team, incognito.)

I also don't remember in the review where Shawn called out the competition. But unlike what you have stated, he has played all of the of the other games, with the exception of ASB I believe.

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I never said anything about Shawn, I was simply stating the fact that if you think free trips and stuff don't equal higher review scores you are kidding yourself. We aren't dealing with graduates of the Edward R. Murrow Journalism School here... we're talking about people who review games, and I doubt that journalism ethics are talked about much in the halls of the official Xbox magazine when they have amazing trips to Vancouver to recount to all of their friends. I wasn't talking about High Heat and their sponsored trips for the press to take batting practice on the Giants' field either, but thanks for reminding me.

**HairyBeanbag** · 03-12-2004, 10:37 AM

Re: The First Round-Up is Out

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bkrich83 said:
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HairyBeanbag said:
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bkrich83 said:
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Better yet, maybe you guys at Acclaim are going about this game thing all wrong. I think maybe instead of listening to fans, and pouring your time and love into making the best game you can you should just fly the OS crew out to the Acclaim Ranch for a big BBQ with open bar and lots of schwag. Let them play around with the ASB 2006 prebuild for a few and who knows - next year maybe you guys will get the 93.

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So what is your point here?

<hr /></blockquote>

I don't think you can deny that press junkets and free trips go a long ways towards a review. Think about it. Joe Blow from some unknown website or magazine is sitting in his home-office one day when the phone rings... it's a representative from EA, saying that they are going to pay his way out to Vancouver, put him up in a nice hotel, wine him and dine him, show him the game before anyone else, and then fly him home so he can write up his game preview. They shower him with free t-shirts, nights out on the town, tours of their facility, and lots of attention. When Joe Blow gets home, he has one thought in his mind... that was the greatest trip I've ever gone on! Then, as he's thinking about his review, thoughts of next year start creeping into his head... I sure would like to go back and get all that free stuff and the jealous reactions from all my friends when I tell them about my trip... I mean, EA really made me feel like a big-shot. Whether they really liked the game or not, they are going to put themselves first and make sure that they are considered next spring when EA is opening up its pocketbooks and giving out the free trips. The reviewer may try to be sincere, but trips like that have a way of seeping into the subconcious. Next thing you know you've got reviews that proclaim a second-year game as the best baseball franchise of all time. They don't focus on a single bug or call out a single mistake. They call out the competition before ever playing a single game and say "I wish you could be more like MVP" when in reality they are saying "I wish you had treated me the way EA did".

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Funny thing is, we consistantly gave the HH scores in the low 90's also, even with all it's warts. Bottomline, at least for the reviewer, was the core gameplay was very very good, and the niggling issues there were didn't bring the gameplay down. Even back then, the one who really complained most about the review was an ASB fan, (who actually happened to be an Acclaim employee on the ASB dev. team, incognito.)

I also don't remember in the review where Shawn called out the competition. But unlike what you have stated, he has played all of the of the other games, with the exception of ASB I believe.

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I never said anything about Shawn, I was simply stating the fact that if you think free trips and stuff don't equal higher review scores you are kidding yourself. We aren't dealing with graduates of the Edward R. Murrow Journalism School here... we're talking about people who review games, and I doubt that journalism ethics are talked about much in the halls of the official Xbox magazine when they have amazing trips to Vancouver to recount to all of their friends. I wasn't talking about High Heat and their sponsored trips for the press to take batting practice on the Giants' field either, but thanks for reminding me.

**bkrich83** · 03-12-2004, 10:41 AM

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HairyBeanbag said:
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bkrich83 said:
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HairyBeanbag said:
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bkrich83 said:
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Better yet, maybe you guys at Acclaim are going about this game thing all wrong. I think maybe instead of listening to fans, and pouring your time and love into making the best game you can you should just fly the OS crew out to the Acclaim Ranch for a big BBQ with open bar and lots of schwag. Let them play around with the ASB 2006 prebuild for a few and who knows - next year maybe you guys will get the 93.

<hr /></blockquote>

So what is your point here?

<hr /></blockquote>

I don't think you can deny that press junkets and free trips go a long ways towards a review. Think about it. Joe Blow from some unknown website or magazine is sitting in his home-office one day when the phone rings... it's a representative from EA, saying that they are going to pay his way out to Vancouver, put him up in a nice hotel, wine him and dine him, show him the game before anyone else, and then fly him home so he can write up his game preview. They shower him with free t-shirts, nights out on the town, tours of their facility, and lots of attention. When Joe Blow gets home, he has one thought in his mind... that was the greatest trip I've ever gone on! Then, as he's thinking about his review, thoughts of next year start creeping into his head... I sure would like to go back and get all that free stuff and the jealous reactions from all my friends when I tell them about my trip... I mean, EA really made me feel like a big-shot. Whether they really liked the game or not, they are going to put themselves first and make sure that they are considered next spring when EA is opening up its pocketbooks and giving out the free trips. The reviewer may try to be sincere, but trips like that have a way of seeping into the subconcious. Next thing you know you've got reviews that proclaim a second-year game as the best baseball franchise of all time. They don't focus on a single bug or call out a single mistake. They call out the competition before ever playing a single game and say "I wish you could be more like MVP" when in reality they are saying "I wish you had treated me the way EA did".

<hr /></blockquote>

Funny thing is, we consistantly gave the HH scores in the low 90's also, even with all it's warts. Bottomline, at least for the reviewer, was the core gameplay was very very good, and the niggling issues there were didn't bring the gameplay down. Even back then, the one who really complained most about the review was an ASB fan, (who actually happened to be an Acclaim employee on the ASB dev. team, incognito.)

I also don't remember in the review where Shawn called out the competition. But unlike what you have stated, he has played all of the of the other games, with the exception of ASB I believe.

<hr /></blockquote>

I never said anything about Shawn, I was simply stating the fact that if you think free trips and stuff don't equal higher review scores you are kidding yourself. We aren't dealing with graduates of the Edward R. Murrow Journalism School here... we're talking about people who review games, and I doubt that journalism ethics are talked about much in the halls of the official Xbox magazine when they have amazing trips to Vancouver to recount to all of their friends. I wasn't talking about High Heat and their sponsored trips for the press to take batting practice on the Giants' field either, but thanks for reminding me.

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Well I can't speak for the other sites. But Shawn is a journalism graduate I believe. And has written for ESPN.com amongst other sports publications. As far as the HH batting practice deal, we didn't take part in that, so it had no effect on our reviews.

**bkrich83** · 03-12-2004, 10:41 AM

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HairyBeanbag said:
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bkrich83 said:
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HairyBeanbag said:
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bkrich83 said:
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Better yet, maybe you guys at Acclaim are going about this game thing all wrong. I think maybe instead of listening to fans, and pouring your time and love into making the best game you can you should just fly the OS crew out to the Acclaim Ranch for a big BBQ with open bar and lots of schwag. Let them play around with the ASB 2006 prebuild for a few and who knows - next year maybe you guys will get the 93.

<hr /></blockquote>

So what is your point here?

<hr /></blockquote>

I don't think you can deny that press junkets and free trips go a long ways towards a review. Think about it. Joe Blow from some unknown website or magazine is sitting in his home-office one day when the phone rings... it's a representative from EA, saying that they are going to pay his way out to Vancouver, put him up in a nice hotel, wine him and dine him, show him the game before anyone else, and then fly him home so he can write up his game preview. They shower him with free t-shirts, nights out on the town, tours of their facility, and lots of attention. When Joe Blow gets home, he has one thought in his mind... that was the greatest trip I've ever gone on! Then, as he's thinking about his review, thoughts of next year start creeping into his head... I sure would like to go back and get all that free stuff and the jealous reactions from all my friends when I tell them about my trip... I mean, EA really made me feel like a big-shot. Whether they really liked the game or not, they are going to put themselves first and make sure that they are considered next spring when EA is opening up its pocketbooks and giving out the free trips. The reviewer may try to be sincere, but trips like that have a way of seeping into the subconcious. Next thing you know you've got reviews that proclaim a second-year game as the best baseball franchise of all time. They don't focus on a single bug or call out a single mistake. They call out the competition before ever playing a single game and say "I wish you could be more like MVP" when in reality they are saying "I wish you had treated me the way EA did".

<hr /></blockquote>

Funny thing is, we consistantly gave the HH scores in the low 90's also, even with all it's warts. Bottomline, at least for the reviewer, was the core gameplay was very very good, and the niggling issues there were didn't bring the gameplay down. Even back then, the one who really complained most about the review was an ASB fan, (who actually happened to be an Acclaim employee on the ASB dev. team, incognito.)

I also don't remember in the review where Shawn called out the competition. But unlike what you have stated, he has played all of the of the other games, with the exception of ASB I believe.

<hr /></blockquote>

I never said anything about Shawn, I was simply stating the fact that if you think free trips and stuff don't equal higher review scores you are kidding yourself. We aren't dealing with graduates of the Edward R. Murrow Journalism School here... we're talking about people who review games, and I doubt that journalism ethics are talked about much in the halls of the official Xbox magazine when they have amazing trips to Vancouver to recount to all of their friends. I wasn't talking about High Heat and their sponsored trips for the press to take batting practice on the Giants' field either, but thanks for reminding me.

<hr /></blockquote>

Well I can't speak for the other sites. But Shawn is a journalism graduate I believe. And has written for ESPN.com amongst other sports publications. As far as the HH batting practice deal, we didn't take part in that, so it had no effect on our reviews.

**bkrich83** · 03-12-2004, 10:41 AM

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HairyBeanbag said:
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bkrich83 said:
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HairyBeanbag said:
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bkrich83 said:
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Better yet, maybe you guys at Acclaim are going about this game thing all wrong. I think maybe instead of listening to fans, and pouring your time and love into making the best game you can you should just fly the OS crew out to the Acclaim Ranch for a big BBQ with open bar and lots of schwag. Let them play around with the ASB 2006 prebuild for a few and who knows - next year maybe you guys will get the 93.

<hr /></blockquote>

So what is your point here?

<hr /></blockquote>

I don't think you can deny that press junkets and free trips go a long ways towards a review. Think about it. Joe Blow from some unknown website or magazine is sitting in his home-office one day when the phone rings... it's a representative from EA, saying that they are going to pay his way out to Vancouver, put him up in a nice hotel, wine him and dine him, show him the game before anyone else, and then fly him home so he can write up his game preview. They shower him with free t-shirts, nights out on the town, tours of their facility, and lots of attention. When Joe Blow gets home, he has one thought in his mind... that was the greatest trip I've ever gone on! Then, as he's thinking about his review, thoughts of next year start creeping into his head... I sure would like to go back and get all that free stuff and the jealous reactions from all my friends when I tell them about my trip... I mean, EA really made me feel like a big-shot. Whether they really liked the game or not, they are going to put themselves first and make sure that they are considered next spring when EA is opening up its pocketbooks and giving out the free trips. The reviewer may try to be sincere, but trips like that have a way of seeping into the subconcious. Next thing you know you've got reviews that proclaim a second-year game as the best baseball franchise of all time. They don't focus on a single bug or call out a single mistake. They call out the competition before ever playing a single game and say "I wish you could be more like MVP" when in reality they are saying "I wish you had treated me the way EA did".

<hr /></blockquote>

Funny thing is, we consistantly gave the HH scores in the low 90's also, even with all it's warts. Bottomline, at least for the reviewer, was the core gameplay was very very good, and the niggling issues there were didn't bring the gameplay down. Even back then, the one who really complained most about the review was an ASB fan, (who actually happened to be an Acclaim employee on the ASB dev. team, incognito.)

I also don't remember in the review where Shawn called out the competition. But unlike what you have stated, he has played all of the of the other games, with the exception of ASB I believe.

<hr /></blockquote>

I never said anything about Shawn, I was simply stating the fact that if you think free trips and stuff don't equal higher review scores you are kidding yourself. We aren't dealing with graduates of the Edward R. Murrow Journalism School here... we're talking about people who review games, and I doubt that journalism ethics are talked about much in the halls of the official Xbox magazine when they have amazing trips to Vancouver to recount to all of their friends. I wasn't talking about High Heat and their sponsored trips for the press to take batting practice on the Giants' field either, but thanks for reminding me.

<hr /></blockquote>

Well I can't speak for the other sites. But Shawn is a journalism graduate I believe. And has written for ESPN.com amongst other sports publications. As far as the HH batting practice deal, we didn't take part in that, so it had no effect on our reviews.

**Ed_Farias** · 03-12-2004, 10:59 AM

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You know it's funny. We have completely stopped talking about ASB in this forum. We were so excited about this game. ASB_Man and Art would pop in and answer questions from time to time. Now this place is dead when it comes to chatting about the game. I sure it will pick up again once the game is out, but seems like this board as pretty much been the place to come for a good argument recently

. Just an observation

**Ed_Farias** · 03-12-2004, 10:59 AM

Re: The First Round-Up is Out

You know it's funny. We have completely stopped talking about ASB in this forum. We were so excited about this game. ASB_Man and Art would pop in and answer questions from time to time. Now this place is dead when it comes to chatting about the game. I sure it will pick up again once the game is out, but seems like this board as pretty much been the place to come for a good argument recently

. Just an observation

**Ed_Farias** · 03-12-2004, 10:59 AM

Re: The First Round-Up is Out

You know it's funny. We have completely stopped talking about ASB in this forum. We were so excited about this game. ASB_Man and Art would pop in and answer questions from time to time. Now this place is dead when it comes to chatting about the game. I sure it will pick up again once the game is out, but seems like this board as pretty much been the place to come for a good argument recently

. Just an observation

**gurantsu** · 03-12-2004, 11:03 AM

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I don't want to get in the middle of an ASB vs MVP battle here, but I do want to say that I have MVP, and I like it a lot. I won't be returning it, but it's so called manager mode is... well I don't know what it is, but it wasn't what I was looking for. So my question is how is ASB's? I had the 2003 edition, and liked it, but didn't have last years. I want ASB mainly for the manager mode, and all the cool stadiums in it.

I'm looking for the ability to make the calls, and let the AI do it's thing while I watch it in the game (not a little screen like MVP). Also, I'd wouldn't mind a "one pitch mode", sort of like my old version of HH had, where the whole at bat is done without watching every pitch. If someone can give me a detailed description of the manager mode I's appreciate it.

Like I said, I'm having a blast with MVP, and I'm certainly going to keep it and play it. I also have last years WSB, and I still play that to continue my franchise with the Pirates. Each one offers different things, and I take each one on it's own merits. Besides, you can never have too many baseball games (no matter what my wife says!)

**gurantsu** · 03-12-2004, 11:03 AM

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I don't want to get in the middle of an ASB vs MVP battle here, but I do want to say that I have MVP, and I like it a lot. I won't be returning it, but it's so called manager mode is... well I don't know what it is, but it wasn't what I was looking for. So my question is how is ASB's? I had the 2003 edition, and liked it, but didn't have last years. I want ASB mainly for the manager mode, and all the cool stadiums in it.

I'm looking for the ability to make the calls, and let the AI do it's thing while I watch it in the game (not a little screen like MVP). Also, I'd wouldn't mind a "one pitch mode", sort of like my old version of HH had, where the whole at bat is done without watching every pitch. If someone can give me a detailed description of the manager mode I's appreciate it.

Like I said, I'm having a blast with MVP, and I'm certainly going to keep it and play it. I also have last years WSB, and I still play that to continue my franchise with the Pirates. Each one offers different things, and I take each one on it's own merits. Besides, you can never have too many baseball games (no matter what my wife says!)

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