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  • deafheaven
    Rookie
    • Mar 2005
    • 26

    #16
    Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

    My Excel sheet is complete. It will completely create a CAP with input from baseball-reference.com With this template it will only take you a minute.

    If anyone wants it you can email me at [email protected] and I'll be glad to send it out to you.

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    • Derrick
      Rookie
      • Jun 2004
      • 19

      #17
      Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

      deafheaven:

      Can I get that excel spreadsheet?
      [email protected] is the e-mail addie. Thanks a Mill!

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      • deafheaven
        Rookie
        • Mar 2005
        • 26

        #18
        Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

        No problemo Derrick. It's been sent.

        I've now made my all time Expos team and my all time Dodgers team. Getting the all time lists from http://www.thebaseballpage.com/past/...rs/default.htm

        and then making a few changes as I see fit.

        I'm anxious to get some more teams entered. Phillies and Cardinals are next.
        Last edited by deafheaven; 05-21-2005, 07:50 PM.

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        • Timathie
          Rookie
          • Sep 2002
          • 358

          #19
          Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

          Originally posted by deafheaven
          No problemo Derrick. It's been sent.

          I've now made my all time Expos team and my all time Dodgers team. Getting the all time lists from http://www.thebaseballpage.com/past/...rs/default.htm

          and then making a few changes as I see fit.

          I'm anxious to get some more teams entered. Phillies and Cardinals are next.
          Hey thanks for posting this site it is great. Also great work. I just have one question. The higher the stikeout rating the less the player will strike out right. Please correct me if I am wrong.

          Tim

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          • DanSF49
            Pro
            • Feb 2003
            • 936

            #20
            Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

            Originally posted by Timathie
            Hey thanks for posting this site it is great. Also great work. I just have one question. The higher the stikeout rating the less the player will strike out right. Please correct me if I am wrong.

            Tim

            Thanks correct Tim

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            • Timathie
              Rookie
              • Sep 2002
              • 358

              #21
              Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

              Originally posted by DanSF49
              Thanks correct Tim

              Thank you
              Tim

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              • deafheaven
                Rookie
                • Mar 2005
                • 26

                #22
                Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

                Aaargh. I forgot about the strikeouts being backwards. I'll have to make an adjustment.

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                • Timathie
                  Rookie
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 358

                  #23
                  Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

                  What does the Aggression rating stand for. I dont know how to come up with a number for this. Range is and other number that is hard to figure out.

                  Any ideas.

                  Tim

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                  • deafheaven
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 26

                    #24
                    Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

                    Originally posted by Timathie
                    What does the Aggression rating stand for. I dont know how to come up with a number for this. Range is and other number that is hard to figure out.

                    Any ideas.

                    Tim
                    The aggression relates to how aggressive the players are on the base paths. I can't be sure what all it affects but as an example, I had Tim Raines set with an aggression of 1 and he stole only 5 bases in a season. I have found that a good formula for aggressiveness is simply stolen bases plus 25

                    Range is no problem because baseball-reference.com has a range rating that allows you to compare the players range against the league average at the same position.

                    If you want just send me an email at [email protected] and I'll send you my CAP creation spreadsheet.

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                    • Timathie
                      Rookie
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 358

                      #25
                      Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

                      Originally posted by deafheaven
                      The aggression relates to how aggressive the players are on the base paths. I can't be sure what all it affects but as an example, I had Tim Raines set with an aggression of 1 and he stole only 5 bases in a season. I have found that a good formula for aggressiveness is simply stolen bases plus 25

                      Range is no problem because baseball-reference.com has a range rating that allows you to compare the players range against the league average at the same position.

                      If you want just send me an email at [email protected] and I'll send you my CAP creation spreadsheet.
                      lgRFg Is this the lgavg for range. I hope so. Also do you consider 50 as the avg.

                      Tim

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                      • Timathie
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 358

                        #26
                        Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

                        Have you noticed that the league avg for Range factor is diffent for evey player on http://www.baseball-reference.com/ Do you have and avg for every postion that you are using.

                        Tim

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                        • Timathie
                          Rookie
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 358

                          #27
                          Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

                          What I need is a maxium range factor number for each postion do you know where or how I would get that.

                          Tim

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                          • Timathie
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 358

                            #28
                            Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

                            How are you comming up with the speed rating.

                            Tim

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                            • Sportsforever
                              NL MVP
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 20368

                              #29
                              Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

                              Originally posted by baa7
                              It’s been mentioned that simmed stat results were off, but until I started looking into this the other day, I never realized or imagined how completely off they were or could be. We’re talking REAL bad: dozens of pitchers with over 200 K’s a season; dozens of batters with more than 200 strikeouts a season; several batters on each team with a batting average over .300; most team batting averages over.300 for the year… the list goes on.

                              I honestly don’t know how much of all that can be fixed. I did get some decent results editing batter ratings – was able to get individual and team batting averages down into the .270 /.280 range – but that meant lowering most batters’ Average and 2B ratings by up to 25 points! I don’t know if this game can handle extreme adjustments of that sort. We’ll see…

                              Anyway, I chose to start working on pitchers instead, and have had some great results. So what I thought I’d do is maybe just post some general editing rules as I stumble upon them, and I’ll start with these:

                              To get pitchers’ K’s down to where they should be, their Strikeouts ratings have to be lowered by an average of 25 points or so. Many are in the 75 range, whereas a Strikeouts rating of 50 seems to produces the correct “average” amount of K’s for an “average” pitcher. Example: for a SP, a Strikeouts rating of 50 will produce 130-170 K’s a year. Someone like Clemons who had more than one K per inning should have a Strikeouts rating around 60-65. Someone like Estes who had less than half that, should have a rating in the 30’s. All pitchers should have a strikeout rating between 30 and maybe 65. The exception to this rule are the closers. They seem to sim a bit differently or something, plus they don’t get in as many innings as their real-life counterparts. So someone like Rodriguez (K and a half per inning pitched) needs his rating bumped up into the 90’s. Closers who are less effective might only need their rating in the 60’s or 70’s.

                              And Base on Balls ratings have to be raised, on average, 30-40 points or so (I’m not kidding). Plus the sad thing is that even then, it’s impossible to get many pitchers to mirror there real-life counterparts, and that’s because simmed results produce way too many BB’s, no matter how high the rating. The best one can do is raise everyone’s rating into the 70-99 range, depending on their ability. That will still give accurate results in the case of some pitchers, plus offer a decent amount of variety. I just highlight a player, click on the right thumbstick, take a look at his 2004 BB numbers compared to innings pitched, and guess-timate whether he should be in the 70’s, 80’s or 90’s. It’s not super-precise, but the results are decent – certainly a lot better than what’s been programmed.

                              Cool thing: I’ve edited maybe 10 team’s pitchers’ already, and now when I quick-sim a season in order to examine the results and see how the edits are working, I view the season strikeout leaders/stats for batters. Their numbers are all dropping nicely. Before, the first 10-15 guys would all have 200 or more strikeouts for the year. Now it’s maybe 4-5 batters. I anticipate that by the time I’m done with the pitchers, those batters' Strikeouts numbers should be no higher than the upper 100’s.
                              Baa,
                              Are you using the default roster to test those sim stats? I went and simmed several seasons using the default roster and the results were actually pretty good. I only had 3-5 pitchers with 200+ k's and those where the Randy Johnson, Mark Prior, Kerry Woods of the league. I also had no hitters with over 200 k's with the high ranging from 160 to 190. The high in HR's was 59 by Thome one year. I didn't have one team finish a season with a BA over .300 with the high being in the .290s. Overall, I was pleased with the results and this was simming like 15 seasons. I am confused where you are getting the results from. Is it an edited roster you are using? Thanks.
                              "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                              • baa7
                                Banned
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 11691

                                #30
                                Re: Ratings edits needed to fix simmed stat results

                                Originally posted by Sportsforever
                                Are you using the default roster to test those sim stats?
                                Interesting… after reading your post, I spent a half hour simming seasons with the default roster vs my two edited rosters, plus DH vs No DH (the set-up I use) etc.

                                From what I can tell, the difference is the fielding ratings edits. When I simmed a season with the default rosters, the offensive numbers were fairly accurate as you mentioned. When I simmed using my roster with all the fielding ratings edits (P’s and position players) I always had 15-20 teams with team batting averages over .300 at the end of the season.

                                Now, given this game is unplayable without those edits (IMO) I personally would still choose the edited rosters and better game play, over default rosters and accurate simmed stat results. Regardless, it’s good you pointed out that the game isn’t as flawed as I made it out to be… thanks

                                What I don’t get though is that others have complained about the inaccurate simmed stat results. I wonder what’s going on with that? Plus, I was DEFINITELY getting simmed results with 20-25 batters with 200-250 strikeouts a season. And that shouldn't have anything to do with fielding ratings...!? I wonder what it is that was causing that.

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