Inside Edge....Sim heaven??

[GSW]

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I think the problem that joeboo is having is that, when you think about it, one scout will team the other, and vice versa. When we're playing the CPU, I'm not sure if we're going to be playing a team that had previously "scouted" us and exploited our weaknesses... and that only we're doing that. Perhaps this will fall in to the AI Skill slider, and perhaps they do take advantage of what's put into our Virtual Identity Profile (or the players themselves).

Let's just hope and pray that this was not a half-assed feature. Granted... even half-assed is a lot, but this is a feature that requires a LOT to be no-assed.

Its definatly not half assed, alot ALOT of time has and is being put in to it.
Will it be perfect??? probably not.. nothing is, but will it give people what they want and are expecting, i tihnk so.

[Blzer]

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Its definatly not half assed, alot ALOT of time has and is being put in to it.
Will it be perfect??? probably not.. nothing is, but will it give people what they want and are expecting, i tihnk so.

No no no... I know that a lot of time was put into it. But, that's what I'm saying... even with a lot of time put into it, it still may be considered "half-assed" compared to what they could have done.

For instance, my previous example with the CPU not scouting and exploiting weaknesses. I also addressed earlier how it would not be so great if the players' stats and scouting reports did not progress game-by-game, or year-by-year.


Those are ways that could make this feature no-assed.

[GSW]

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No no no... I know that a lot of time was put into it. But, that's what I'm saying... even with a lot of time put into it, it still may be considered "half-assed" compared to what they could have done.

For instance, my previous example with the CPU not scouting and exploiting weaknesses. I also addressed earlier how it would not be so great if the players' stats and scouting reports did not progress game-by-game, or year-by-year.


Those are ways that could make this feature no-assed.

I think right now what people are doing , is way to much assuming based on the previous game, obviously i cant sit here and map out how the joint works. All i can say is alot of work went in to it, and i cant hoenstly see people being dissapointed.

[Blzer]

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I think right now what people are doing , is way to much assuming based on the previous game, obviously i cant sit here and map out how the joint works. All i can say is alot of work went in to it, and i cant hoenstly see people being dissapointed.

That's how I'm trying to feel right now. I feel that this game has way more pluses than minuses so far (however, a bug isn't noticed until the game is in our hands), but it looks like most people just shun away from the game from the start. Either because: A) they're basing this game off of MLB 2K5's reputation (which by the way got 45% of the vote on IGN), or B) they're biased and fanboys toward another company or game.

I'll guarantee you that both MLB games will be given equal and fair shots... but I only keep one (damn parents). If I don't think that either are improved enough for the $40.00, I'll just stick with MLB 2K5 and MVP 06 NCAA Baseball. That simple.



I think that I went a little too overboard when I was talking about my Player Tendencies and comparing it to these... I think it's easier to contrast. I talked more about making results of balls put in play (or not) more realistic like the actual players do. For instance, pulling the ball vs hitting it opposite field, striking out players with the curveball more than the changeup, hitting with extreme power more than weaker bloops, or a ground ball pitcher vs a fly ball pitcher. This Inside Edge thing is more of "What do they do more often than what they don't in terms of what they control?"

[GSW]

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That's how I'm trying to feel right now. I feel that this game has way more pluses than minuses so far (however, a bug isn't noticed until the game is in our hands), but it looks like most people just shun away from the game from the start. Either because: A) they're basing this game off of MLB 2K5's reputation (which by the way got 45% of the vote on IGN), or B) they're biased and fanboys toward another company or game.

I'll guarantee you that both MLB games will be given equal and fair shots... but I only keep one (damn parents). If I don't think that either are improved enough for the $40.00, I'll just stick with MLB 2K5 and MVP 06 NCAA Baseball. That simple.



I think that I went a little too overboard when I was talking about my Player Tendencies and comparing it to these... I think it's easier to contrast. I talked more about making results of balls put in play (or not) more realistic like the actual players do. For instance, pulling the ball vs hitting it opposite field, striking out players with the curveball more than the changeup, hitting with extreme power more than weaker bloops, or a ground ball pitcher vs a fly ball pitcher. This Inside Edge thing is more of "What do they do more often than what they don't in terms of what they control?"

The inside edge thing in simplir terms is the scouting report on each player.

As far as fanboyism and stuff.. ill say this... It happens ya know, nothing we can do about it. except ignore it, I dont get paid more for you buying the game, so i dont care what you do with the money, the only thing i dont liek that people do on here, is make assumptions without trying it first, and saying it will suck, or will be terrible (or even worse, implying that certain people arent doing thier jobs).

Thats when i think people on here go to far.
Like ive said, its a wonderful feature, by no means is it a "gimmick", and i honestly do think people will enjoy it.

[Rbear2k]

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Sabermetricians everywhere are creaming their pants.

[baa7]

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Based on last year’s mess of a game, there’s a good chance the new features in MLB 2K6 will either not work properly, or will be poorly programmed and/or implemented. That’s simply the reality, based on history. And if and when that happens, 99% of the people posting here will vanish 2 weeks after the game comes out and will move on to Splinter Cell or some other game, just like last year. And when that happens, Blzer and bigjoe and I and a couple of others will be the only 5 people left in North America trying to make this @#$%& game work via massive editing and tweaks, just like last year.

With the exception of 1-2 posts I’ve read where some tool simply writes “That game sucks: play MVP”, there haven’t been any posts here that I’d call “fanboy” posts. Last year’s game was pretty pathetic, and any skepticism and negativity here is entirely 2K’s fault.

The inside edge thing in simplir terms is the scouting report on each player.

As far as fanboyism and stuff.. ill say this... It happens ya know, nothing we can do about it. except ignore it, I dont get paid more for you buying the game, so i dont care what you do with the money, the only thing i dont liek that people do on here, is make assumptions without trying it first, and saying it will suck, or will be terrible (or even worse, implying that certain people arent doing thier jobs).

Thats when i think people on here go to far.
Like ive said, its a wonderful feature, by no means is it a "gimmick", and i honestly do think people will enjoy it.

[K_GUN]

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at least someone at VC/Kush understands the importance of "sim" baseball

[baa7]

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at least someone at VC/Kush understands the importance of "sim" baseball

Well, until they start adding hit charts (which were in MVP) and fly ball to ground ball ratings, and RISP ratings, and pitcher’s pickoff ratings and such, I’m not entirely sure MLB could ever be mistaken for a sim baseball game.

Or double switches that work, or tons of pitchers who don't throw 103 mph FB's, or 3B guys who charge rollers...

[sask3m]

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my main reason for holding out any hope for this game stems from the fact that vc is a way more involved than before, having jeter do his mo-cap thing (the ign hands on story)at vc's building tells me that, maybe they want this game to succeed, or at least be playable

[GSW]

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Based on last year’s mess of a game, there’s a good chance the new features in MLB 2K6 will either not work properly, or will be poorly programmed and/or implemented. That’s simply the reality, based on history. And if and when that happens, 99% of the people posting here will vanish 2 weeks after the game comes out and will move on to Splinter Cell or some other game, just like last year. And when that happens, Blzer and bigjoe and I and a couple of others will be the only 5 people left in North America trying to make this @#$%& game work via massive editing and tweaks, just like last year.

With the exception of 1-2 posts I’ve read where some tool simply writes “That game sucks: play MVP”, there haven’t been any posts here that I’d call “fanboy” posts. Last year’s game was pretty pathetic, and any skepticism and negativity here is entirely 2K’s fault.

I understand the skeptiscm, and TRUST ME, I am the SAME way. (really i am LOL)

Most people dont understand this but the best way to describe my personality (as far as games go) is, Im exactly like everyone on here. In fact it almost got me fired a few times. (LOL)

But honestly, just because one game was sub par, does not mean the rest of the series will be subpar, there is no percentage that dictates that either. Look at the transition nba 2k4 took to nba 2k5. It was a drastic drastic change, for the better. YS more work needs to and will be put into NBA and DEFINATLY mad work needs to be put in to MLB.

But like i said before, dont , DONT, assume the game will be bad, or broken. because last years was, Theres ALOT of people working there asses off on every game to try to please alot of people. I wish i could go in to detail about the process, because there are sooo many things people dont understand, and i didnt understand at first either, but ill save that for another convo.

[Graphik]

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I understand the skeptiscm, and TRUST ME, I am the SAME way. (really i am LOL)

Most people dont understand this but the best way to describe my personality (as far as games go) is, Im exactly like everyone on here. In fact it almost got me fired a few times. (LOL)

But honestly, just because one game was sub par, does not mean the rest of the series will be subpar, there is no percentage that dictates that either. Look at the transition nba 2k4 took to nba 2k5. It was a drastic drastic change, for the better. YS more work needs to and will be put into NBA and DEFINATLY mad work needs to be put in to MLB.

But like i said before, dont , DONT, assume the game will be bad, or broken. because last years was, Theres ALOT of people working there asses off on every game to try to please alot of people. I wish i could go in to detail about the process, because there are sooo many things people dont understand, and i didnt understand at first either, but ill save that for another convo.

Meh...if EA gets alot of slack for its Madden series, the MLB series deserves the same. They brought this upon themsevles by releasing 3 POS games in 2 years. The skeptisism is warranted.

[JaSnake16]

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Meh...if EA gets alot of slack for its Madden series, the MLB series deserves the same. They brought this upon themsevles by releasing 3 POS games in 2 years. The skeptisism is warranted.

Great post, and I am far from an EA fanboy, but what goes for one company should be the same standard we hold for the other especially since most of us are upset at the exclusivity thing by both comapnies in football and baseball.

[skinz]

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But honestly, just because one game was sub par, does not mean the rest of the series will be subpar, there is no percentage that dictates that either. Look at the transition nba 2k4 took to nba 2k5. It was a drastic drastic change, for the better.

The problem here is that the transition between MLB 2k4 and MLB 2k5 was only presentation. In fact, the gameplay became worse in MLB 2k5. They tried too much to overhaul the entire thing when people was just asking for a face lift from the horrendous graphics in MLB 2K4.

[mjb2124]

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Great post, and I am far from an EA fanboy, but what goes for one company should be the same standard we hold for the other especially since most of us are upset at the exclusivity thing by both comapnies in football and baseball.

True. I think both games are blasted about equally....and rightfully so.

I just want a good baseball game this year since that's my sport of choice. We'll see if 2K can deliver this year. Let's just say that I haven't been too happy with my baseball gaming choices since 3DO went under. Now that 2K is the only developer for the Xbox/360, the bullseye is on their back.